Racism cured or only in temporary remission?

Well, one does not need to consciously recognize that they are sick or have a disease, in order for the sickness or disease to manifest within them. Setanta, seems to postulate that all rationalizations take place at a conscious level. The subconscious mind performs much cognition that the conscious mind is not aware of. However, the conscious mind can suppress subconscious cognitions, in what is commonly clinically referred to as the state of denial.

I do not look for white people to overtly make statements in regards to black people, that I then use as evidence of white racism. What I do is first realize that most white people have an aversion to being seen as racist, whether by others or themselves. Thus, I recognize cannot and should not look for overt and explicit racially tinged rhetoric that concludes white supremacy. However, when whites say things like, “blacks should work hard like everyone else”. Implicit in this statement is that black problems economically are the result of not working hard [as white people work]. Which infers laziness being endemic to black people. Also, when one sees the black unemployment rate being 2 1/2 times the rate of whites, the reasons given by most whites are never rooted in economics or discrimination; rather, it is rooted in blacks unwillingness to work. While on the other hand, when the rate of white unemployment rises, it is attributed to two consecutive quarters of negative real GDP growth (the definition of a recession).

One has to read between the lines with most whites, because they are attempting to NOT APPEAR racist.

Where I live, a certain amount of property in a community must be available for Section 8 housing (governmentally subsidized). In my neighborhood we have people across all class lines. It used to be "high" class. Now it's middle working and lower. In my city there are 3 groups of projects, all in middle-class neighborhoods. The houses closest to these projects have a lower value then the ones a street over, etc.. If a property owner allows Section 8 living in a building (either one family rental, two family, etc.) the property values are certainly affected.


What? No comment about my ridiculous point of whites mixing with lower classes for sex?

Is there a link or study for this number? Just want to know where it's coming from.

I am not denying the existence of class discrimination. What I am denying is that the existence of class discrimination does negate the existence of racial discrimination. Either way, since blacks are disproportionately poor, due to the inheritance of historical discrimination against black people, class discrimination produces the effects of racial discrimination. The reason being is that when you discriminate against the poor, you disproportionately affect black people, as 25% of blacks live in poverty, compared to 8% of whites.

WWW.BLS.GOV

You can go there to find all types of statistics. Actually, if you really had the desire for knowlege and truth, you would have googled up one of the many sites that offers labor statistics. But truth is not your goal, being anti-Noah is. Thus, you want me to work to spoon feed you knowlege, that you will not feed yourself. Even when feed you, you will not chew and digest it, but rather, just throw it up.

Now where did I put that soapbox...Noah, the fact that you state that 'most' whites try to not appear racist presupposes that you already think they are, and are therefore arguing circular logic, and trying to posit questions you already have presupposed answers for. I checked Google, couldn't find a statistic on that thought about white folks, btw, but you can call me honky if you want, because whether or not I'm perceived as being racist or not racist, I don't really give a crap. Why? Because nobody really knows but me.

I could have searched it and I would have come up with hundreds of sites that said a hundred different things. Anytime you throw stats around it is your obligation to provide your reference, not mine to go find it.

I have not been antagonistic or name-calling towards you. I have used you own quotes and argued against them in my own way. If you continue to insult me I will report you to the A2K Admin. Remarkably I have been on the A2K site and the previous site this was built after for over 3 years and this is the first time I've ever considered lodging a complaint against anyone.

As for what i postulate, you'll know what i've postulated because i will have said as much. Draw your own conclusions without drawing me into the skewed equations you use. You continue to make statements from authority about what white people think. I only have to read between the lines to see that your position is racist.

I think that the way that bias works is that a person with a preconceived notion will hunt for information that supports this notion. My bias and or preconceive notion is that I do not believe that blacks is inferior or superior to anyone. Thus, when I see the world racial gaps between whites and blacks economically, I am forced to look externally at what transpired between the races, over the last 400 years, that created the reality of today. In that history, one sees the colonization, enslavement, degradation and exploitation by white civilizations, upon black civilizations and peoples (as well as others). Thus, I see this manipulation as having created the racial economic dichotomy that exists today.

It is the objection to this proposition, that I get from most whites, racist that allows me to label them, racist. The reason being, again, that if the reasons for these problems were not and are not external, then they must be internal, because the option is binary. Denying that the disproportionate economic distribution of world wealth between blacks and white is not mostly due to external factors of white manipulation is to select internal factors.

Would you listen to yourself? You present as the trailer park redneck who hates blacks and will not be deterred, only reversed. I'm not saying you're a dick, but I think someone could easily get that impression and just dismiss whatever you have to say.

Do you know anyone named Massagato by any chance?

And by the way thanks for making the distinction between saying white people believe in white supremacy and white people are racists. Is that some of that valuable spoon fed knowledge?

You still haven't answered my question.

Do you consider youself a racist?

If not, please explain why.

How do you know that referring to me, as “Johnny Cochran” is not an insult Sugar? I am not Johnny Cochran and I could very well be upset by the accusation or comparison. Thus, maybe I should report YOU. If you feel the fancy to report me…knock yourself out. But I think that your problem is that YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Now you're trying to be Jack Nicholson.......

Yes I do consider myself racist, but not racist born from the belief of racial supremacy or inferiority. I consider myself a racist, due to lack of another working definition for one who studies the effects of the history of the practice of racial discrimination. I am more into the study of the effects of racism upon the black race that I am a member of. Thus, my focus on race makes me a racist. While the likes of most of you are racist because you believe in white supremacy.

Uhh...'scuse me, but I never called you Johnny Cochran or anything else. You might want to go back and take a look at my posts and that of others.

I'll be waiting impatiently for a profuse apology.

Could we say that you consider yourself a racist because you believe in Black supremacy?

Or because you believe in white inferiority?

YOU COULD SAY ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT, BUT YOU OFFER NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FROM MY RHETORIC.

SORRY SUGAR. MY APOLOGY. HEY, ALL YOU DETRACTORS LOOK ALIKE TO ME

You know what? I am superior to you.

Not because you're black, but because I'm not a dick.

Well, opinions vary.

The male extremity in the groin area is the conduit to life as it is the vehicle that allows the delivery of sperm, that when joined with an egg, thus produces life. Thus, if you are not a male extremity, then I hope you are a vagina, for if not, then by natures standard, you are indeed inferior as you fail in the ability to reproduce life.

Very clever Noah, but one does not need to be a dick to have one.

that's the problem with making statements full of big words like mayonnaise to make yourself look smart. Sometimes you lose track of where you are and your logic goes bye bye.

Then suddenly you don't appear so smart.

Sorta outsmart yourself, ya know.