A thought on capitalism

@cicerone imposter,

CI, are you in Bergen now?
If so you are closer than I thought. Smile

I am in Haugesund, about 3,5 hours from Bergen.

Anyway, I wish you a wonderful trip up the coast!

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@north,

north wrote:

corps. will learn the hard way in the end that control or be controlling will bite you back in the end

to control , from a person to vast amount of people narrows the mind and thinking and therfore restricts the evolution not only the people but the controllers

thoughts become narrow minded and un-adaptable leading to extinction of the controllers and the people , quickly

This is true. This is kind of a dilema: If you have a competitive society, people suffer but in exchange for that there is evolution. If you dont have a competitive society, its less likely that people will suffer however there will be little evolution as well.

Suffering = evolution? =)

I think the ideal would be a society where the intelligent and capable are rich, however not so rich that they starve the poor to death.

reasoning logic wrote:

I am not so sure that I would take capitalism completely off the table as not being one of the problems society has.

Changing it would be a simple matter if people wanted to, so I think the bulk of the problem is really people.

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@manored,

I am not disagreeing with you I just think capitalism may be one of the the mistakes that society has made.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

I am not disagreeing with you I just think capitalism may be one of the the mistakes that society has made.

capitalism is not a mistake society has made

any mistake percieved by us upon capitalism is because of the attitude of those in capitalism power

there is no better expression of individuality than capitalism

that is capitalisms strength

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@north,

That is fine as long as the individual then remembers that without his community he would be nothing, and that his obligation therefore should be to his community first and then himself.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

I am not disagreeing with you I just think capitalism may be one of the the mistakes that society has made.

But what would we have if we didnt have capitalism? I dont see any alternatives.

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I believe the error is thinking that any economic or political system has ever been practiced uniformly. Instead, we have (and probably always will) used a varying collage of ideas, and often employed conflicting ideologies piecewise in different areas.

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@failures art,

I agree

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

I believe the error is thinking that any economic or political system has ever been practiced uniformly. Instead, we have (and probably always will) used a varying collage of ideas, and often employed conflicting ideologies piecewise in different areas.

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True.

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@failures art,

No doubt society consists of individuals based on different types of material interests.
Modern Russian society is very mixed picture in this respect. The main reason is that in the Soviet Union has long been banned private ownership. As a result of democratic processes in the early 90's all the bans were lifted. Fast transient development of a free economy started then. However, along with capitalism, we observe features characteristic as feudalism and antiquity.
Left-wing writers see it as society regress.
They argue that socialism is the apex of development.
In their opinion the error was that people were not sufficiently well-educated for supporting socialism.
However, this approach shows that the Left intellectuals are expressing primarily their own interests.
Those interests are a consequence of the clear "intelligency's relations of production".

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

That is fine as long as the individual then remembers that without his community he would be nothing, and that his obligation therefore should be to his community first and then himself.

true

but remember don't forget it is the individual or the the entrepreneur that takes the risks and produces the wealth , which gives wealth to the community

at the sametime share the wealth too the community as it rasises their standard of living , which creates more spending , which creates more demand for products and so on...

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@north,

north wrote:

at the sametime share the wealth too the community as it rasises their standard of living , which creates more spending , which creates more demand for products and so on...

It feels like humans can only work like an infectious disease =)

So... someone go slap those scientists and tell then to make spaceships faster, we need to infect more hosts! =)

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Russia and China woke up and smelled the coffee

to bad some people have not

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@north,

I am not so sure that I like the [individuality] excessive corruption that capitalism seems to breed.
I am not saying that capitalism is not the best choice but I do doubt that it is.
Just as religion will try very hard to stop any kind of change I do also think that any kind of economic or political ideology will also do the same.
I can only imagine that what ever culture that you are in the ruling power will tell everyone that their system is the best and the stupid mas will believe it.

I would like to see the government hire people to experiment by creating micro economies and other ways to see what could be learned from different approaches.
I do know of some so called experiments from long ago that people will try and point to and say that they failed but that does not really mean a whole lot to me as I also know that brain surgery was not very good many years ago but we do have a better understanding of it now than what we did back then.

We need to do some scientific test with peer review and see if this dinosaur system is best for mankind or only a few!

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@reasoning logic,

Capitalism doesn't breed them. They existed before capitalism was ever an idea. But capitalism "is so wonderful because even if people are void of moral considerations and any human values they can still be productive, and thus they are conrtibuting to society".

This is the kind of rationalization you get from someone who wants to believe that capitalism can govern more than your wallet.

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

Capitalism doesn't breed them. They existed before capitalism was ever an idea. But capitalism "is so wonderful because even if people are void of moral considerations and any human values they can still be productive, and thus they are conrtibuting to society".

This is the kind of rationalization you get from someone who wants to believe that capitalism can govern more than your wallet.

Each of us shoud FORGET about "conrtibuting to society" and EXPLOIT the damned thing
for our own personal aggrandizement as well as we posssibly CAN.

In other words, each of us shoud take what Kennedy said
in his inaugural address (after he stole the election of 1960)
"ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country "
and turn it around backward into anti-liberal Individualism and libertarianism in service of hedonism.

Each of us shoud guide his life by considerations of HEDONISM.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Isn't that whats happening as consumerism slowly takes over more and more of the maning of our lives?

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

Isn't that whats happening as consumerism slowly takes over
more and more of the maning of our lives?

Yes; acquisition of desired goods n services
is consistent with n in furtherance of HEDONISM,
what makes life worthwhile.

David

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