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Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says

 
 
Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 02:24 pm
Hitler hid his Jewish roots as his grandfather was Jewish.

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Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said.

The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named "Norbert H," the Daily Mail reported.

A chromosome called "Haplogroup E1b1b," or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said.

"It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews," Vermeeren said.

Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that "[o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," the Daily Mail reported.


Apparently, he might be a closet Zionist as he treated religous Jews well in Theresienstadt concentration camp as they were ready to go to Palestine. Hitler used them as propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_concentration_camp
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talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 07:09 pm
It would be interesting to see what the Neo-Nazis do as their heroic Fuhrer has Jewish and African roots.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 07:14 pm
@talk72000,
We ALL have African roots.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 07:16 pm
@dlowan,
Not the E1b1b Haplogroup.
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Zetherin
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 07:19 pm
talk72000 wrote:
he treated religous Jews well in Theresienstadt concentration camp as they were ready to go to Palestine

Yes, whenever I make an effort to treat people well, I first make sure they feel at home in the concentration camp of their choosing.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 07:32 pm
@Zetherin,
It was all to show the world he treated Jews well.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 08:30 pm
Even before DNA testing there were theories that Hitler had Jewish roots.

So, what does it prove? What it might prove is that the German people were obedient to their leader, and never forced the issue as to his lineage.

When hearing decades ago this theory I had to wonder if it was promulgated so nice Gentiles do not have to feel guilt for the Final Solution, since a "Jew" was the supposed cause. Sorry, there could have been no Final Solution, in my opinion, if continental Europe was not so entrenched in two-thousand years of Jew hating (before Hitler was born). Every seed needs fertile soil.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:11 am
From Google
Quote:
Yale statistician Joseph Chang wrote a 1999 paper entitled “Recent Common Ancestors of All Present-Day Individuals.” If his many pages of equations, theorems, and proofs are to be believed—and even Chang says his figures probably don’t account for all the facts—we could have a most recent common ancestor who lived as recently as A.D. 1200. More recent research and computer simulations have pushed that date back to perhaps A.D. 300, but that’s still a far cry from 60,000 years ago.However, Chang’s paper proves something much more surprising. According to his calculations, there was a date in the not-too-distant past at which all individuals were either ancestors of everyone alive today, or ancestors of no one alive today. This date varies depending on what portion of the population you look at, but for Europe, it would seem to be in the neighborhood of A.D. 800—the year Charlemagne, king of the Franks, became emperor of Rome. And because Charlemagne is known to be the ancestor of some people alive today, that must mean he was the ancestor of all people of European descent. Of course, we pick on Charlemagne because he’s so well known, but he doesn’t have any special status as a common ancestor. In reality, about 80% of the people living in Europe at Charlemagne’s time were also ancestors of everyone from the West.

If this is a bit mind-boggling, it’s just the tip of the iceberg. Dr. Mark Humphrys, a professor at the School of Computing, Dublin City University, has analyzed the results of Chang’s work as well as numerous other academic papers and come up with some startling conclusions. According to Humphrys, everyone in the world is descended from the Egyptian royal house (ca. 1600 B.C.), and almost everyone in the world is descended from Confucius (ca. 500 B.C.). Moreover, he claims, nearly every Muslim, Jew, and Westerner is descended from the Prophet Muhammad (ca. A.D. 600).
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:22 am
Mel Gibson was right on the 28 July 2006.

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"the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson_DUI_incident
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:32 am
@fresco,
Jesus Christ, Fresco . . . you don't seriously believe that ****, do you?

Can you explain to me how neolithic tribesmen in Papua-New Guinea who have only been discovered by the outside world within the last fifty years are descended from Charlemagne? Or the ancient Egyptians, for that matter?

Wanna buy a bridge?
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:48 am
@Setanta,
Not a clue ! Laughing
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jgweed
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 07:14 am
The recent study of genes indicates that practically anybody who was anyone had a common ancestory, so one should not be surprised that Hitler had some "Jewish" roots (more properly, Semitic). The fallacy resides in the correlation between religious traits or beliefs with specific genetic or racial origins; why say "Jewish" roots and not "Christian" or "Muslim" since all these religions have a common "racial" origin in the Middle East?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:03 am
@jgweed,
Additionally, from the religious point of view, Jewish doesn't even necessarily have a "racial" origin. The Aramaeans were a Semitic people who began to settle in large numbers in Mesopotamia in the period just before the Medean-Persian conquest, and quickly gained a reputation as crafty and successful merchants (which identity was transferred to the Jews as a pejorative--see below). The conquest of Babylon and its hegemonic cities and tribes by the Medes and Persians, and the rise of the Persian empire gave greater scope to the Aramaeans' mercantile activities. They were so successful that Aramaic became the lingua franca of the Middle East long before the Hellenistic period, and remained the most commonly spoken language even after the Greco-Macedonian conquest gave rise to the Hellenistic era.

The Aramaeans were impressed with the religion of the Hebrews and became what properly is called confessional Jews--i.e., Jews in a religious and cultural sense. They spread Judaism throughout the Middle East just as they spread their language. The Arabs of the Arabian peninsula in the lifetime of Mohammed who espoused a religious belief from an organized religion were overwhelmingly confessional Jews. The Aramaean merchants spread Judaism as far east as China, and Marco Polo notes the presence of "Jews" throughout the Mongol Empire of Kublai.

Later, many Aramaeans converted to Christianity, in early days, and Nestorian Christianity was spread by them just as Judaism had been. Polo also records the presence of Christians throughout Kublai's Sino-Mongolian empire, and this refers to the Nestorian Christians produced by the spread of the religion by Aramaean merchants.

So in fact, it would be very difficult to identify the "racial" antecedents of Jews around the world. Given that the concept of human races is only slightly over a century old, it is all rather an anachronistic exercise in any event.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:47 am
@Foofie,
It is the religious factor that is the cause of most of the problem.

Here is the map of Haplogroup E1b1b spread.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/65/E1b1bRoute.png/200px-E1b1bRoute.png

Family line
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/E1b1b_ancestry.png/300px-E1b1b_ancestry.png

Haplogroup E1b1b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_%28Y-DNA%29

The Y-Chromosome is passed from father to son. The person need not look like the originator as he could have married a female of a different genetic make-up and thus appear African, Oriental, European, etc. If the descendents married outside the race the last descendent would like more like the mother. The Haplogroup is a genetic marker that arose either out of error in the passing of genes from father to son or from environmental factors or just random mutation.
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thack45
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 07:20 pm
@jgweed,
jgweed wrote:

The recent study of genes indicates that practically anybody who was anyone had a common ancestory, so one should not be surprised that Hitler had some "Jewish" roots (more properly, Semitic). The fallacy resides in the correlation between religious traits or beliefs with specific genetic or racial origins; why say "Jewish" roots and not "Christian" or "Muslim" since all these religions have a common "racial" origin in the Middle East?
And it is even plausible that someone we know is related to hitler. Perhaps this can be the topic of a follow-up article in a series by this publication called "**** we found out that doesn't matter".
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 08:23 pm
The scary part is that I could be related to folks on the left side of the bellcurve.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 12:29 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

The scary part is that I could be related to folks on the left side of the bellcurve.
Why would just 1 man be scary? I see evil people all around, if they had power they would do just as bad, maybe not on the same scale but being just as cold.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 07:52 pm
A cousin of Adolf? How old is this man? Is he a first cousin? If so, that means that the dictator and his alleged cousin share a common grandparent. So, other genetic factors are in play.
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Sentience
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 11:37 pm
Hitler was kind to Zionist Jews because he was not a closet Zionist. He was an open Zionist, which means someone who think the Jewish people should be secluded from society and live in it's own land. Zionists actually cooperated with Nazi's early into their campaign, long before the final solution. It is common knowledge that he had distant Jewish roots, though less common knowledge is some other things about him. For example, he is famous for being a vegetarian. While publicly he said it was healthy and to be kind to animals, in reality it helped him deal with his creeping necrophilia.
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Sentience
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 11:43 pm
@jgweed,
Because genetics are not all that counts, why they get them matters to. The reason an incredible amount of Muslims would have Jewish roots could be accredited to how faith based life under the Ottoman Empire was then, which caused conversions en mass. Additionally, the Jews in Israel hailing from Europe are far less likely to be related to the Hebrews of old then the Palestinians they forced into refugee camps.


Also: Generally, Jews bred with Jews, Muslims Muslims, etc.
 

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