@hawkeye10,
You missed the significance of my post altogether, which doesn't surprise me. America has been a nation of immigrants almost from the very beginning. Most came here in the first century and a half to get land. They were conservative, moderately so, because having gotten what they came for, they wanted to keep it. However, consold yourself with polls, if it does console you. As is the case with abortion, when you can't come up with a fig leaf to cover your bullshit, you just make **** up. My point is that Americans have always been (moderately) conservative, so there is no real news in saying that they are "becoming" more conservative. Given that they voted twice for Reagan, once for Pappy Bush and twice for Bush Lite, i am amused to consider how one can claim that they are becoming more conservative--and to understand how the Democrats trounced the Republicans in the 2006 mid-terms.
As i say, you failed to understand what i was saying (typical) and you just make **** up (also typical).
@Setanta,
Quote:As i say, you failed to understand what i was saying (typical) and you just make **** up (also typical).
What is typical is that you back up your assertion with nothing but more assertions, where as I back mine up with facts. I win.
@hawkeye10,
so in your great wisdom you get to decide who wins a noncontast.
@rabel22,
Quote:so in your great wisdom you get to decide who wins a noncontast.
I think that if one wants to know which way the country is going that asking the people is a valid way to get the answer. The country is self reporting that they are going Right. Now I am open to Set coming up with something to call into question the validity of this self reporting, but so far he has nothing but assertions and undocumented theories. According to the rules of evidence he brings nothing to the table but theory, where as I brought a documented fact. I win.
@hawkeye10,
Oh yeah, what did you win, Buddy? You didn't back anything up with facts--polls are not facts, they are resumes of what people think, or even what they think they think. But i understand that you don't understand these things, so i'm not bothered.
How many beers are ya gonna buy with your winnings there, Champ?
@hawkeye10,
Once again, a poll is not a fact. The only "fact" involved is what the numbers from the responses are. We don't know the methodology, nor do we know what the respondants think the questions mean, or what the terms used in the questions mean.
Do you claim the elections of Reagan twice, Pappy Bush, and Baby Bush twice are not facts? Do you claim that the outcome of the 2006 mid-terms is not a fact? What a f*ckin' clown . . .
@Setanta,
Quote:polls are not facts, they are resumes of what people think,
Polls are a measure of what people think. The question was one of what people think. Therefor, a poll result is a fact that goes to answer the question.
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:Quote:polls are not facts, they are resumes of what people think,
Polls are a measure of what people think. The question was one of what people think. Therefor, a poll result is a fact that goes to answer the question.
Once again, faced with the failure of your pathetic rhetoic, you just make things up. The "question," as you call was this: ". . . and the country is moving right." That is what you wrote. You didn't write that people think the coutry is moving to the right, you wrote that the country
is moving to the write. To repeat myself, what a f*ckin' clown.
@Setanta,
really Set, if you're going to actually parse what posters write, people are going to ignore you.
@dyslexia,
In this particular case, one can only hope so.
@Setanta,
In the early days of my time at Williams-Sonoma, we had a stock man from one of the Caribbean islands, who said he emigrated because he was afraid of hurricanes. He listened to Rush Limbaugh in the stock room until the then-manager (who never gave anyone a hint about her political affiliation) told him to stop.
Afterwards, without ever revealing our political leanings, several of us discussed whether immigrants were persuaded to follow talk radio because it was available . . . if it seemed "cool" and "very American" to people who still had little English and only mass media knowledge of America.
T.E.A. party seen on tonight's episode of Weeds on Showtime
@msolga,
In case you're wondering why I posted that article (above) to this particular thread ...
The question this thread poses for discussion is:
Is the Tea Party Really a Populist Movement?
I guess I'm wondering why a genuine home-grown populists movement would knowingly accept its candidates (& I assume, its campaign) being funded by large corporations from outside their own country, with their own agendas to push through the US senate? Hasn't the Tea Party compromised its credibility & its independence by doing this?
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
In case you're wondering why I posted that article (above) to this particular thread ...
The question this thread poses for discussion is: Is the Tea Party Really a Populist Movement?
I guess I'm wondering why a genuine home-grown populists movement would knowingly accept its candidates (& I assume, its campaign) being funded by large corporations from outside their own country, with their own agendas to push through the US senate? Hasn't the Tea Party compromised its credibility & its independence by doing this?
What credibility or independence did it ever have? It's been Astroturf from day one.
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They don't care where the money comes from.
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After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?
You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq .
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq .
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans drown.
You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in taxbreaks. You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.
You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.
You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.
No.....You finally got mad
When a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.
Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...Oh, Hell No!!
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@msolga,
The big donors , (besides the Koch's) have always been suspected to be the Health Insurance Giants (whom with the impoending changes in Health CAre) will have the most to lose.
Also they all bitch about govt spending and dont even question the 3/4 Billion Dollars A DAY we are still pissing away in the Mid East.
Ive seen plenty of geezer teabaggers with signs that imply
" KEep the Govt out of Health CAre" ?????. Then these people , when interviewed are all thankful for Medicare. DUUHHH.
To think Im gonna be in the dawn of my own Geezaerhood in a month.
I hope my brain doesnt disppear up my ass like some of these old timer Teabaggers.
@failures art,
OK, then.
The representative grass roots credibility that the movement
claims it has. What the movement claims it stands for ...
What is a populist movement which claims to be solely representative ordinary American citizens doing, accepting funding from outside corporations which clearly have only their own (profit) interests at heart? What will the movement
owe those corporations for their support?
I'm not asking you to defend or justify the Tea Party's actions, Art.
@msolga,
It makes no sense, no sense at all!
Very weird stuff, this populism fueled by outside corporations, your home-grown multi-millionaires & supported by Rupert Murdoch's media empire.
Are we to believe that local tea party "activists" are blissfully unaware of all this? Or that they simply don't care, whatever it takes to undermine Obama is OK with them?
