Totally disagree. The kids placed in developmental writing and reading -- and they are placed by examination -- can not pick out a verb. They simply can not read well and they can not comprehend what they read.
I didn't say that there aren't kids/people who don't learn how to read and write. That's always been a problem. There have always been illiterates and the reasons are many and varied.
What I'm saying is that everyone who speaks knows all these parts of speech.
The mumbo jumbo about verb and present perfect tense and future tense doesn't have anymore to do with language than a medical professional's description of the mechanisms of breathing. The terminology is important to the doctor and the field of study but it has no bearing on our next breath.
Few of us can pick out the verbs
of breathing but we all breath pretty well. Few of us can describe the mechanics of walking or running but look at kids, they can do both with ease.
Diagramming is a tool used to impart a sophisticated understanding of language.
Agreed. But few need that degree of sophistication. Certainly, it's much too much for young children. Mechanically parsing sentences without providing students with the concomitant reasons we choose one grammatical structure over another is all but useless. See my remarks below.
Most of those who yawned over the non-use of diagramming have a sophisticated grasp of language and would probably have learned just as well using whole word as they did with traditional phonics.
I don't quite understand what you're getting at here, POM.
The ability to read incorporates both knowledge of the language involved and the ability to understand a written text.
As I've mentioned, the knowledge of the language is already there. Barring any brain damage or other medical conditions, children by the age of about five know pretty much all the grammar of their language.
Not consciously, of course, but that isn't any different for adults, even adults who are pretty handy at diagramming sentences.
Why do you suppose it is that even English teachers who are good at diagramming sentences make the most fundamental errors when describing how language works. Why was Strunk such a dud at describing language? Why are so many college language websites so rife with errors about language?
but she thinks Latin is a complete waste of time. I would prefer that slower students be taught Latin in a game like setting so that they could learn how to attack a word.
Your daughter is right. There is nothing in Latin that can help anyone learning to use
English. There is much in Latin, in a number of languages that can help those learning about
That is an enormous difference. That difference is lost on all too many of those teaching English, teaching about English.