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Gun permit allows quick access to Texas Capitol

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:24 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I began a thread in which I asked about sock puppets because I have wondered whether okie and david were the same person.

When I consider how long david has been writing in this way, my first reaction is to say one can not sustain such an extreme personality over such a long period of time, but, then I think of how Billy Bob Thornton played Karl Childers, the 'protagonist' in Slingblade, for several years. Thornton said something about how his character got under his skin. Perhaps, it is possible to sustain a persona for one's amusement for as long as Thornton sustained the character Childers.
I reject collectivism.
I reject authoritarianism.
It will remain that way.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:38 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
With post 4298534 as my prime piece of evidence, I rest my case.
Checking back (because were not considerate enuf to reproduce it)
I find that post 4298534 is your post, setting forth:

plainoldme wrote:
You quoted my existential need line . . . one that I adapted from friends who used it all the time . . . but then, you referred back to your title, which I quoted to pull your leg and to demonstrate the lack of logic behind your statement.

Your headline suggests that Texans so love guns that people with permits to carry are given preferential treatment! What you wanted to say is that people with permits will be allowed to carry guns into the Texas capitol, where, one assumes, they will promptly shoot legislators who displease them.
I read it b4; I read it again.
Whatever your point is: I don 't know, except insofar as I 've already addressed it.

Beyond that, unless u reveal it, presumably we will never know.





David
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 07:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
So.. you didn't answer my question at all.

You claimed that conservative judges are only activist to erase what earlier judges did. Who initiated the suit has nothing to do with the judges being activist. Tell me the last time the USSC ruled that it's judgment can ONLY be applied to that particular case?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 08:56 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
So.. you didn't answer my question at all.

You claimed that conservative judges are only activist to erase what earlier judges did.
To erase the distortions of liberalism; yes.



parados wrote:
Who initiated the suit has nothing to do with the judges being activist.
Once Gore started the judicial process, it fell to the judiciary to operate the process to its logical conclusion,
based upon the Constitution or upon Constitutional federal law.




parados wrote:
Tell me the last time the USSC ruled that it's judgment can ONLY be applied to that particular case?
U r asking qua a case in which the USSC held that stare decisis does not apply, right ?
Offhand, I don 't remember such a case.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 09:26 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I wrote:


plainoldme wrote:
Vermont is
1.) a rather liberal state which, to me, means it would be a safer, friendlier and more peaceful state;

2.) very small with marked distances between people, which means that there is less friction there.


Plainoldme wrote:
To which David took a page from okie and ican
Is that good or bad ?

Plainoldme wrote:
and wrote:

Quote:
Is that your way of saying that it has fewer blacks ?


plainoldme wrote:
He has raised my ire.
I struck a nerve, huh ?



plainoldme wrote:
If he says he is being funny, I seriously think he will need to be institutionalized.
No humor.




plainoldme wrote:
To insult me, to insult black people, to insult liberals
with this sort of stupidity is beyond the bounds of polite behavior.
That is untrue.




plainoldme wrote:
I have never believed that david is an attorney.
Is your belief about me the subject matter of this discussion? Does that have some bearing on anything?





plainoldme wrote:
I do believe that he is someone who might have had "an unlived life."
I 've made an earnest effort to have as much fun as possible, but u might be right; I shoud have tried harder.
I 'll go out more ofen, and raise a glass to u.
R u sure this is on-topic qua the Texas Capitol?




plainoldme wrote:
However, that is no excuse for the above level of remark.
Agreed; I need no excuse.



plainoldme wrote:
Do I want to see a gun in the hand of someone who says things like this? No.
That 's like saying that u don 't want me to be a voter. Its not up to u.
I was a citizen, with full Constitutional rights, b4 u were.




plainoldme wrote:
The trouble is that david is the sort of person who supports the willy nilly distribution of fire arms!
Not exactly; I support a laissez faire free market in guns, the same as in hammers or hats or Bibles or newspapers.





David
raprap
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 09:40 am
One can always hope that the whole state shoots each other. In my opinion there are waay to many Texans.

Perhaps that loophole can be exported to Utah.

Rap



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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 01:45 pm
@parados,
Funny how conservatives are all for states rights until they're not.

I don't pretend to understand all legal jumbo, but apparently the USSC didn't think the FSC had constitutional bases for extending the deadline for recounts to be counted.

Either way you look at it, if it was something conservatives wanted, they would have been all up in arms about the federal government interfering with state rights. But since it wasn't, they tell themselves the party line split vote of the USSC was simply "eradicating" liberal court decisions.

To be fair, liberals are guilty of the same except maybe not such an issue with state rights specifically.

GEORGE W. BUSH, et al., PETITIONERS v. ALBERT GORE, Jr., et al.
on writ of certiorari to the Florida Supreme Court
(December 12, 2000)


parados
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 02:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U r asking qua a case in which the USSC held that stare decisis does not apply, right ?

So do you admit Conservative judges can be activist without overturning rulings?

No matter what you argue here David it will point to your statement about conservative judges being false. Mendacity would be you making false statements.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 03:55 pm
@parados,
David wrote:
U r asking qua a case in which the USSC held that stare decisis does not apply, right ?
parados wrote:
So do you admit Conservative judges can be activist without overturning rulings?
How r u defining "activist" ?

As I have said b4, if thay don 't play it straight,
as the Founders set forth, then thay r deviating, which makes them liberal,
the same way that if an honest man lies,
then he is no longer an honest man; he becomes a liberal.

Incidentally, let us observe that deviation can occur in any of 360 degrees of arc, in ANY direction,
(and from ANYthing) not only toward a collectivism of Roosevelt and Kennedy.
For instance, Rudolf Hess proved to be a liberal nazi
and Boris Yeltsin was a liberal commie.
If u get into a poker game and allege that u have a flush,
when u have 4 spades and a club, then u become a liberal poker player.
If u claim to have a flush when u have 3 spades and 2 diamonds,
then u r a MORE liberal poker player; (of course, u will be killed).



parados wrote:
No matter what you argue here David it will point to your statement about conservative judges being false.
Mendacity would be you making false statements.
I deny your mendacious allegations.





David
parados
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 04:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
As I have said b4, if thay don 't play it straight,
as the Founders set forth, then thay r deviating, which makes them liberal,
the same way that if an honest man lies,
then he is no longer an honest man; he becomes a liberal.

I see. So your dishonesty is you just redefine words in the middle of your argument.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 05:33 pm
@parados,
David wrote:
As I have said b4, if thay don 't play it straight,
as the Founders set forth, then thay r deviating, which makes them liberal,
the same way that if an honest man lies,
then he is no longer an honest man; he becomes a liberal.

parados wrote:
I see. So your dishonesty is you just redefine words in the middle of your argument.
Not at all; I asked u how u r defining activist. U did not answer, evading the question.





David
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 06:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No, I can't decide whether the C word or the P word is more appropriate for you. You are far and away too stupid and too much of a shyster to strike a chord.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 06:12 pm
@parados,
David couldn't be honest if he wore two watches and you asked him the time of day.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 10:26 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
David couldn't be honest if he wore two watches and you asked him the time of day.
I don 't take offense. If I respected your ability to reason, then maybe I 'd CARE what u think.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 10:36 pm
I just returned from seeing the French comedy Mic Macs. Very well done and very funny.

The movie begins almost as a homage to earlier movies from Humphrey Bogart pics to war movies to Charlie Chaplin comedies to Louis Malle's beautiful Au Revoir, Les Enfants. We see soldiers in the desert, searching for land mines. One is blown up. The next scene is his funeral service. Then the movie jumps 30 years to show the dead man's 40 year old son working in a video store. The adult son is accidentally shot in a bizarre accident.

The son then becomes part of a family of people who might be classed as idiot savants who create Rube Goldbergs while living together beneath a junk yard. What follows next is fast paced, inventive and entertaining. Amid the comic efforts to revenge two armament producers -- one for the death of the father and the other for the wounding of the son -- the movie presents a serious examination of the troubles, local and international, that arms create.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 01:03 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I just returned from seeing the French comedy Mic Macs. Very well done and very funny.

The movie begins almost as a homage to earlier movies from Humphrey Bogart pics to war movies to Charlie Chaplin comedies to Louis Malle's beautiful Au Revoir, Les Enfants. We see soldiers in the desert, searching for land mines. One is blown up. The next scene is his funeral service. Then the movie jumps 30 years to show the dead man's 40 year old son working in a video store. The adult son is accidentally shot in a bizarre accident.

The son then becomes part of a family of people who might be classed as idiot savants who create Rube Goldbergs while living together beneath a junk yard. What follows next is fast paced, inventive and entertaining. Amid the comic efforts to revenge two armament producers -- one for the death of the father and the other for the wounding of the son -- the movie presents a serious examination of the troubles, local and international, that arms create.
Did that tell u something about the Texas Capitol ?
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 06:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You redefined "liberal" to mean every human being on the planet. And you want me to show how your argument is false? I think everyone can figure it out for themselves David. Maybe you can too.

Now about actual conservative judges on the court ruling in Bush v Gore. They were hardly playing it straight when they ruled that the only time ballots had to be counted the same was in the Florida recount and their ruling couldn't be applied to any other vote counting. They were clearly being activist David. They clearly are conservative. Your attempt to redefine them as liberal is nothing but deception on your part.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:05 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
You redefined "liberal" to mean every human being on the planet.
And you want me to show how your argument is false?
Maybe u expect me to re-read 7 pp. of text to figure out
what u might possibly be talking about. It did not occur to u to be specific.
If u continue to act like that, then I will have to wonder
if I need to decide whether I shoud continue to take u seriously.
As it stands now, u have not yet lost my respect.




parados wrote:
I think everyone can figure it out for themselves David. Maybe you can too.

Now about actual conservative judges on the court ruling in Bush v Gore. They were hardly playing it straight when they ruled that the only time ballots had to be counted the same was in the Florida recount and their ruling couldn't be applied to any other vote counting. They were clearly being activist David. They clearly are conservative. Your attempt to redefine them as liberal is nothing but deception on your part.
If u quote so much of their decision as u object to, then I 'll comment on it.
Its too vague in my memory from ten years ago,
n I 'm not gonna take the trouble to hunt it down.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:33 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
My point is that altho it is possible to amend the Constitution legitimately,
it can also de facto be amended by judicial cheating; toward that end, deception is employed
by judges who wish to deviate, substituting their desires for the Constitutional law established by the Founders.
That is what liberal judges DO; if thay don 't deviate, then thay r not liberal.


For someone who claims to honor the Constitution and who represents himself as an attorney, you have a strange view of the judiciary.

You use words to describe government and the Constitution that should be reserved for discussions of religion and morals!

Your views of liberals are inaccurate. What is worse, they are demeaning!


It is not strange for those who honor the Constitution to complain when the judiciary thwarts the Constitution.

And while not all liberals share this mindset, there are in fact a lot of liberals who do think it is OK to thwart the Constitution by misinterpreting it.

I have no idea how to quantify "a lot". Maybe they are a vocal minority. (They're certainly vocal.) But whatever their numbers, they do spew an endless stream of nonsense trying to justify violating the Constitution in the name of liberalism.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:37 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Really? But then you attack POM without any evidence of her doing anything the wrong way.


Maybe David missed the line where POM suggested using the amendment process, and he just assumed that POM was doing the "it's OK to misinterpret the Constitution" game that so many of the freedom haters do.

And I'll bet that if we were not seeing the courts today finally starting to enforce part of the Second Amendment, POM would be spewing the very nonsense about "how it is OK to willfully misinterpret the Constitution" that David assumed that was being spewed.
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