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Let me post you the paragraph from Stevens..

Quote:

The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia. It was a response to concerns raised during the ratification of the Constitution that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to the sovereignty of the several States. Neither the text of the Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidenced the slightest interest in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms. Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution.

The only 'term of art" is you attempting to insert meaning where there clearly is NONE, David. You should be ashamed of such an obvious attempt to ignore meanings and insert your own biases into something that is quite clear.

Stevens was talking about state militias not private militias.

Do you think the court decided it was a collective right when they decided Miller?

One does not need to know American history to recognize gobbledee gook. The matter here is one of grammar and logic, not history.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

plainoldme wrote:

A private militia? Pirates? Thieves? Rapists? Bullies?

MULTIPLE private militia, like volunteer fire dept.s

Private fire departments? I don't know of any.
volunteer militia would be the national guard, not David owning a gun since Congress is given certain powers in relation to militias.

It is not wishful thinking. The nutcases of the NRA are on a temporary ascendancy with the rest of the extreme right. After the gun laws are loosened and there are waves of violence, the collective face of America, replete with egg, will dump the second Amendment. It might take 40, even 60 years, but it will happen.

One does not need to know American history to recognize gobbledee gook.
The matter here is one of grammar and logic, not history.

No, the matter is, once again, your extreme ignorance.

It is not wishful thinking. The nutcases of the NRA are on a temporary ascendancy with the rest of the extreme right. After the gun laws are loosened and there are waves of violence, the collective face of America, replete with egg, will dump the second Amendment. It might take 40, even 60 years, but it will happen.

Nope. America will never give up our freedom no matter how loudly you freedom haters whine about it.

Do you think the court decided it was a collective right when they decided Miller?

The court did not.

They did get the ruling wrong, but they ruled in favor of an individual right.

Had they ruled that it was a collective right, they would have denied that Miller had standing
to make a Second Amendment claim due to the fact that he was not the attorney general of a state government.

The main problem with the argument that "the Second Amendment only covers service in a militia" is that the people making that argument have no problem with the fact that there is no such militia.

Had there been such a militia, or had those advocates pushed for such a militia to be created, their argument would be a bit more viable.

Since 1986, approximately 40 of the 50 States have thrown out gun control

Since 1986, approximately 40 of the 50 States have thrown out gun control

A symptom of the basic dumbing down of American society

The main problem with the argument that "the Second Amendment only covers service in a militia" is that the people making that argument have no problem with the fact that there is no such militia.

Had there been such a militia, or had those advocates pushed for such a militia to be created, their argument would be a bit more viable.

Your attempt at a counter argument isn't logical. What the opponents of gun insanity do is redact the words of the Constitution. That there are no militia in the sense the word was meant in the 18th Century

actually points to how unnecessary guns are today.

Is this exercise in domination by the nutcases over the majority still running?

This is from the Children's Defense Fund:

Protect Children, Not Guns 2010

With over 280 million guns in civilian hands, the terrible truth is that there is no place to hide from gun violence. Children and teens are not safe from gun violence at school, at home, or anywhere else in America. According to this report, 3,042 children and teens died from gunfire in America in 2007—one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 58 every week.

plainoldme wrote:

One does not need to know American history to recognize gobbledee gook.
The matter here is one of grammar and logic, not history.

oralloy wrote:

No, the matter is, once again, your extreme ignorance.

THAT, taken together with leftist hysteria does not bode well for the competent exercize of logic.

Its rather humorous, tho sad, that Prof. Plain claims that the facts don 't matter.





David

Is this exercise in domination by the nutcases over the majority still running?

This is from the Children's Defense Fund:

Protect Children, Not Guns 2010

With over 280 million guns in civilian hands, the terrible truth is that there is no place to hide from gun violence. Children and teens are not safe from gun violence at school, at home, or anywhere else in America. According to this report, 3,042 children and teens died from gunfire in America in 2007—one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 58 every week.

oralloy wrote:

The main problem with the argument that "the Second Amendment only covers service in a militia" is that the people making that argument have no problem with the fact that there is no such militia.

Had there been such a militia, or had those advocates pushed for such a militia to be created, their argument would be a bit more viable.

Your attempt at a counter argument isn't logical.

What the opponents of gun insanity do is redact the words of the Constitution. That there are no militia in the sense the word was meant in the 18th Century actually points to how unnecessary guns are today.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Since 1986, approximately 40 of the 50 States have thrown out gun control

A symptom of the basic dumbing down of American society