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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 02:02 pm
Well it not a three years old it a big four years old in this news story.

Thank you firefly and all the other nutty women pushing this nonsense ideas of rape and all manner of other sexual misconducts into the social contract and not only directed at adult and semi-adults males but at the very young children also.

Can not wait to hear firefly defending this nonsense as I am sure she will.

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Texas Child Suspended After Hugging Aide

WACO, Texas — School administrators gave a 4-year-old student an in-school suspension for inappropriately touching a teacher's aide after the pre-kindergartner hugged the woman.

A letter from La Vega school district administrators to the student's parents said that the boy was involved in "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment" after he hugged the woman and he "rubbed his face in the chest of (the) female employee" on Nov. 10.

DaMarcus Blackwell, the father of the boy who attends La Vega Primary School, said he filed a complaint with the district. He said that his son doesn't understand why he was punished.

"When I got that letter, my world flipped," Blackwell said in a story in Sunday's editions of the Waco Tribune-Herald.

La Vega school district officials said student privacy laws prevented them from commenting.

After Blackwell filed a complaint, a subsequent letter from the district said the offense had been changed to "inappropriate physical contact" and removed references of sexual contact or sexual harassment from the boy's file.

Administrators said the district's student handbook contains no specific guidelines referring to contact between teachers and students but does state that inappropriate physical contact will result in a discipline referral.


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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 02:03 pm
Even in the U.K., women are being sexually assaulted and raped by the police...so it's not just the NYPD.

Quote:

Police officer in court on seven counts of rape
Stephen Mitchell appears before magistrates in Newcastle for his alleged exploitation of 'vulnerable women' while on duty
Paul Lewis guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 January 2010


A police officer suspected of having spent almost a decade forcing female suspects to have sex appeared in court today charged with seven counts of rape.

PC Stephen Mitchell, 41, a serving officer at Northumbria police, was arrested by colleagues earlier this week following a 10-month investigation into complaints he sexually assaulted vulnerable women while on duty.

At least some of the alleged victims are understood to have been "vulnerable" female suspects at the time of the assaults, a source with knowledge of the case said.

In addition to the rape charges, Mitchell was accused of 17 offences of indecent assault and 19 of misconduct in a public office. The allegations involve 19 women and are said to have taken place between 1999 and 2007.

Appearing at Newcastle magistrates court in jeans, a white T-shirt and black sweatshirt, Mitchell spoke only to confirm his name, age and address. Flanked by two dock officers, he was remanded into custody by magistrates and ordered to appear before the same court tomorrow, when his solicitor Geoffrey Forrester, will make a bail application.

In a statement, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is "managing" the inquiry, said: "This is an ongoing investigation and anyone with information which they feel could be relevant to the inquiry is asked to contact Northumbria police."

Despite IPCC oversight, the inquiry has been run by Northumbria police's professional standards department – the complaints department – which began investigating Mitchell in March last year.

It is understood the inquiry began following complaints from women.

Mitchell was initially arrested in July, before being released on bail. He was re-arrested at an address in Glasgow on Monday night. He was taken to a police station in Northumbria, and charged with the 43 offences this morning before being taken to court.

In an unrelated case, another PC, Sean Smith, a serving officer with the Metropolitan police, today denied a catalogue of offences against young girls.

The 29-year-old, from Kent, is accused of 15 counts of indecent assault against three children between 1996 and 2001, and pleaded not guilty at Tameside magistrates' court
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/20/stephen-mitchell-police-rape-allegations

BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 02:07 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Even in the U.K., women are being sexually assaulted and raped by the police...so it's not just the NYPD.


Do not worry about the police they are being rape by ten years olds............

Hell soon they might have the problem of four years olds boys going around hugging them as we do in the US.

There is no limit in the evilness in the male heart it would seems.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 02:27 pm
Those boys took that girl (or girls) out to a secluded spot ON PURPOSE. They knew what they were going to do was wrong. Kids are growing up far too quickly nowadays.

You post very informative stuff firefly. I am learning a lot.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 02:40 pm
@Arella Mae,
Quote:
Quote:
Those boys took that girl (or girls) out to a secluded spot ON PURPOSE. They knew what they were going to do was wrong. Kids are growing up far too quickly nowadays
.

You post very informative stuff firefly. I am learning a lot.


Evil ten years old finding a place in private to acts in ways that they have an idea adults would not approve of.

Just as the little girl who led me into her parents garage and shut the side door to play doctor, as we both knew that our parents more then likely would not be happy with us for this kind of behavior.

Doing things that the parents would not be happy with behind their backs and hopefully getting away with it is one of the joys of childhood.

It however does not show great evilness or criminal intend to any sane mind that is.

BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 03:03 pm
You know I am still in contact with Peggy the name of the little girl at the time who I played doctor with all of 54 years ago and now a grandmother headed in the direction of a great grandmother.

I am not even sure if she will remember the event but it might be fun to email some of this nonsense to her and see if she have any comments.

Second, I wonder if Peggy would have thrown me under the bus if we had been found out and place all the blame on me.

Thank god in the more sane society of the 1950s the only thing one way or another at stake would had been the level of punishment by our parents not a full blown sexual assault charge!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 03:07 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
In BillRM's case it would more likely be All Bull....No balls

That would make him a steer.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 03:31 pm
Hawkeye, do you ever have the feelings that you had gone down the rabbit hole with Alice when reading this thread?
failures art
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 04:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye, do you ever have the feelings that you had gone down the rabbit hole with Alice when reading this thread?

There is controversy on whether Lewis Carrol was a pedophile and of the nature of his relationship with the girl Alice for whom the story is dedicated to.

She was eleven, and he wanted to marry her. I'm sure hawkeye would approve.

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failures art
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 04:03 pm
@BillRM,
Stop trying to drag every man into your arguments. You don't have the whole of the gender backing your sickness, so stop pretending you do.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 04:11 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
There is controversy on whether Lewis Carrol was a pedophile and of the nature of his relationship with the girl Alice for whom the story is dedicated to.

She was eleven, and he wanted to marry her. I'm sure hawkeye would approve.


I had forgotten that story about Carrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was indeed a strange gentleman and as a mathematic what would you expect. Laughing


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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 04:13 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Stop trying to drag every man into your arguments. You don't have the whole of the gender backing your sickness, so stop pretending you do.


I am glad you had taken note how I never take a position on this site that I do not have a lot of support for.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 05:18 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Hawkeye, do you ever have the feelings that you had gone down the rabbit hole with Alice when reading this thread?
I have the feeling that a lot of people believe the press releases, and are well schooled in the talking points but don't understand the subject matter very well.

Quote:
Violent behaviour is strongly influenced by cultural
and social norms; so efforts to prevent violence
must consider how social pressures and expectations
influence individual behaviour. Interventions
that attempt to alter cultural and social norms to
prevent violence are among the most widespread
and prominent. Rarely, however, are they thoroughly
evaluated, making it currently difficult to assess
their effectiveness. Rigorous scientific evaluations
of interventions that address norms supportive
of violence present particular, but surmountable,
challenges, which partly explain their scarcity. Nevertheless,
a number of positive results have been
reported.
Although the effect of mass media interventions,
aimed at whole societies, on levels of violent behaviour
have seldom been evaluated, their success
and drink-driving, for instance) suggests they have
a critical role to play in the prevention of violence.
Furthermore, edutainment initiatives, such as Soul
City in South Africa, have shown promise in changing
cultural and social norms and attitudes associated
with violent behaviour. While it is difficult to
ascertain the effectiveness of laws and policies in
changing social attitudes, legislation that is enforced
can send clear messages to society that violent
behaviour is not acceptable.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2009/9789241598330_eng.pdf

You have noticed Firefly trying to claim that rape law has not changed which is the common first response. A massive effort is on to change cultural norms but this is denied as long for as possible. When this eventually fails they move on to how "right" these efforts are, and how "wrong" and out of date is anyone who objects. It feels a lot like the the Hillary Clinton campaign, were they laid down a blanket of inevitability, and then when that was not believed anymore got nasty and started throwing accusations around. Right now we are at the point where people started to say out loud that Hillary was a bitch, that she might not win, and that maybe she should not win. There are now enough people with doubts about how sex law is going, and with concerns for the costs, that some are beginning to speak up. I hope and expect that we will soon be joined by many more.

In truth we don't know if what is being tried....massive PR campaigns and altering laws....can work to change interactions between individuals at the intimate and sexual level. I rather doubt it, I think this stuff in ingrained, it is who we are and that who we are is not going to be changed so easily. People after awhile get tired of being told what to do, and most of us are not interested in letting other people form us into their ideal human, we want to be us, even if some of us is not nice. And we have only just begun to talk about the costs, for instance you talking about innocent men getting ruined, me talking about how men are in an identity crisis and how these laws tend to alter the power balance in relationships artificially which I think backfires because the take away is that government has too much power over us and requires reform and if that does not work overthrow. I suspect that the cost for Governments for going along with this abuse of the individual is going to be their own deaths, and in my opinion this will be well deserved.

I think that a new day is dawning, and that soon our conversations on this subject will be much more intelligent and will be much more fact centered. I think that science is going to be brought to bare, and we will eventually get some reasonably accurate cost/benefit analysis study on which we can make sensible choices.

You call the current situation "Alice in Wonderland" and I have called it Disney...we are in agreement.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 05:30 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:


Doing things that the parents would not be happy with behind their backs and hopefully getting away with it is one of the joys of childhood.

It however does not show great evilness or criminal intend to any sane mind that is.




Deceit is one of the joys of childhood? What did your parents teach you?

The evil and criminal intent you speak of would, from what can be determined, is not new to you. The sanity is quite another matter.

To condone and encourage the behaviour that you do is indicative of anti-social and pathalogical problems.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 05:33 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Stop trying to drag every man into your arguments. You don't have the whole of the gender backing your sickness, so stop pretending you do.


I am glad you had taken note how I never take a position on this site that I do not have a lot of support for.




This shows that Bill, may. I say may, have a sense of humour somewhere below the surface of what we can see.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 05:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
And we have only just begun to talk about the costs, for instance you talking about innocent men getting ruined, me talking about how men are in an identity crisis and how these laws tend to alter the power balance in relationships artificially which I think backfires because the take away is that government has too much power over us and required reform and if that does not work overthrow.


What is even far sadder is what they are starting to do to very young children.

A four year olds who is punish for hugging an adult two ten years old charge with rape for playing doctor and when that fell apart still convicted of attempted rapes.

This is two ten years olds we are talking about even if they are evil males.

And the big talking point the women who support this nonsense here is that the boys found a private space to do this in so they must had have the intention to rape the eight year old!!!!!

I am sure they knew that playing doctors is "wrong" and I and my partner in crime Peggy so many decades ago also knew if we had been found out we would had been in trouble.

Strangely I did not know what rape happen to be at the time and did not have a real firm idea of the birds and the bees only that girls was not build like me.

I can remember when a fellow class mate told me about men raping women well after my doctor playing with Peggy.


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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 05:50 pm
Knowing something is WRONG is all it should take to NOT DO IT!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 06:07 pm
@Arella Mae,
Quote:
Knowing something is WRONG is all it should take to NOT DO IT!


Please please tell me you are kidding me...................

That every time a child does something he or she know is wrong we should turn him or her over to the criminal justice system and charge him or her as an adult with a crime.

Let see stealing cookies theft charges.....................

Taking a short cut on the way home from school on others people property trespassing charges.

Getting into a mild childhood fight assault charges

That if Peggy and I playing doctor had been found out we both or just me as the male should had enter the criminal justice system instead of having our parents deal with it.

You are a sick lady indeed and side note the 8 year olds also knew it was "wrong" by her own statements.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 06:13 pm
Quote:

My education in rape
City investigation should dig deep, so that families — like mine — that have suffered can achieve justice
By Anthony W. McCarthy

August 9, 2010

A lot happened when I was 7 years old. I had my first kiss, with a girl named Pamela at the blackboard in Miss Jones' second-grade class. I learned how to pitch the perfect curve ball in Little League (we won the division championship that summer).

I also learned that a woman should not report being raped.

I grew up in a small, sleepy town in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. I remember being shaken from my sleep by the sound of our front door frame cracking in the middle of the night. My mother had separated from my father after years of mental and physical abuse, and he was still determined to make our lives miserable.

I could hear them screaming at each other for what seemed like an eternity. It was the familiar sounds of scuffling that led my brother and me to jump from bed and run to help our mother, as we had done so many times before.

We entered the living room to see my father on top of my mother with his fist poised to strike her again.

I will never forget the look of horror on my mother's face as she ordered us back to our room. I will also remember the blank stare on my father's face — he was enraged, and our presence in the room mattered very little.

Yelling was replaced by silence. From our room, I strained to hear what was happening. I needed to know my mother was OK.

Silence.

Days later, my brother and I sat at the dinner table eating, when my grandmother — my father's mother — walked into the house with two police officers.

We listened very carefully to the conversation taking place in the next room. I heard my mother tell my grandmother and the officers that my father raped her that night he broke into the house. They laughed.

One of the police officers asked my mother to explain how a man could rape his own wife. My grandmother told her she would be responsible for sending the father of her children to jail. They pelted her with questions and challenges for over an hour. With exhaustion in her voice, my mother finally relented. She would not file the rape charge. My grandmother also insisted that she promise not to tell anyone, especially other members of the family.

After they left, my mother came to the kitchen and my brother and I wrapped our arms around her. I asked her, "Why did daddy do this to you?"

She replied, "Your father didn't do anything, Anthony. He didn't do anything."

Recently, it was revealed that the Baltimore Police Department has one of the worst records in the nation for filing reports from women who claim to be raped. In the last decade, our city has led the country in the percentage of rape cases classified by police investigators as "untrue" or "baseless."

We've also learned that 4 percent of emergency calls from women regarding being raped fail to generate a police report about the incident, with some women complaining that officers and detectives intimidate them into dropping their claims.

To their credit, city leaders including Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, City Council President Bernard Young and Police Commissioner Frederick H. Bealefeld III acted swiftly and with appropriate indignation at the Baltimore Sun report that raised these important questions about the handling of sexual assault complaints by our police department.

But some have questioned why there should be a review of past complaints, arguing that a comprehensive new policy that addresses this issue is sufficient to ensure that law enforcement begins to do the right thing.

That's wrong. There could be thousands of women in our city who have been suffering in silence for decades because of an apparent culture in our police department that marginalized the sexuality and dignity of Baltimore women. Additionally, there could now be hundreds of rapists moving comfortably throughout our neighborhoods and among our families because of the decisions of insensitive investigators.

The police and a mayoral task force have begun the process of reviewing documents representing more than a year of previous complaints. I believe they can't stop there. We must commit the time and resources to review cases going back for several decades to get at the heart of this problem.

Such a comprehensive review would reopen some long-closed wounds. But it also may finally bring justice to women who have been wronged.

Anthony W. McCarthy is a media personality and political insider who hosts The Anthony McCarthy Show on WEAA 88.9 FM. His e-mail is [email protected].

Copyright © 2010, The Baltimore Sun
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-rape-20100809,0,2264032,print.story
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 06:28 pm
@firefly,
Such a sad story. The attitudes of the police officers and the FAMILY were horrdendous. She was already beaten down from a beating and being raped and then their attitudes! That poor woman! Thank God rape is looked up more realistically today. It is a viscious and violent crime.
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