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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Likewise you will find a lot of child sexual abuse survivors as submissives in the BDSM scene, the reason is complicated but it boils down to healing through the erotic. In my experience it is much more effective than therapy from the savior class, and about on par with the results from religion based therapy providers. According the the saviors this is reabuse, the theory being that this is learned behaviour from the abuse, and the victims need to stop it. Those who give these victims what they want dont know any better, but are being told that they are abusers. Thankfully, a lot of people have learned to ignore the savior class.

Why am I not surprised that you're involved in "the BDSM scene"? And why am I also not surprised that you justify taking advantage of psychologically damaged people in this way?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:55 pm
@DrewDad,
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Why am I not surprised that you're involved in "the BDSM scene"? And why am I also not surprised that you justify taking advantage of psychologically damaged people in this way?
a timely illustration of the point...

the fact the she needs it, wants it, asks for it, and is better for it matters to you not at all I am sure....you cant allow people you look at as victims run their own lives, you are not only sure that you know better than they what THEY should so do but you are also sure that you are right to impose your will by force if need be....if I have you pegged correctly.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:55 pm
@DrewDad,
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In my experience it is much more effective than therapy from the savior class,


I'm surprised, DD, that you're not surprised by Hawk's professions of medical/psychiatric competency. Wink
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:11 pm
@JTT,
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I'm surprised, DD, that you're not surprised by Hawk's professions of medical/psychiatric competency.
you JTT are a strange one to be making the argument to leave important matters to the elites, the same elites who have failed the test of producing good results for all of our lives.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:12 pm
Anyone who doesn't think that rape is much more a crime of violence than a sexual act should consider these cases. And the victim doesn't have to be assaulted for it to be a violent act. Rape itself is an act of violence.

These women, all in their late 70's, 80's, and 90's, were raped. And I'm just listing some very recent cases. This sort of thing goes on all the time. Like children, the elderly are very vulnerable to sexual attacks. These women did not "ask to be raped".

Yesterday, a 79 year old woman was attacked and raped as she got into the elevator of her apartment building in the Bronx. They are hunting for the rapist.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/elderly.woman.rapist.2.1812767.html

Think she was dressed provocatively?

An Alabama man was sentenced in June 2010 to 50 years in prison for raping a 90 year old woman. He alleged that the sex was consensual and that she initiated the act. The jury didn't buy that.
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Anthony James Vines stood trial in Lee County, Alabama for the rape of a 90-year-old woman. He testified on Tuesday, March 30, 2010, that he had had consensual sex with the woman in November 2008 and that it was not rape. However, the doctor who treated the victim testified that she had ‘quickly decided that if she was going to get through it, she was going to not resist.’

The woman is now 91-years-old, testified that Vines had dragged her back to her bedroom and raped her. Vines’ testimony was in direct conflict her hers. He testified that she had invited him to her Opelika home on November 9, 2008, asking him to do some work around the house. He said she opened the door and invited him inside. According to his testimony, she then went to her bedroom and called him to come to her. He claimed that she initiated sexual contact with him.

“I asked her how old she was, but she told me not to worry about that,” Vines testified. “She initiated the act, as far as having sex.”

James Vines said that most of what had been said in his trial was not true. Under questioning, he told his attorney, Harold Morris, that he had not raped the woman, had not burst through her door and did not take the battery from her phone as had been previously told to the court.

Chief Assistant District Attorney Robbie Treese asked Vines exactly how the 90-year-old woman had initiated sex with him. He didn’t have an answer to the question.

Vines testified that the woman fell as he was leaving her house and her front door latch was broken during her fall. The woman testified that Vines had broken the latch when he broke it down, busting into her house.

There was no question that the two had had sex. Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences expert Kristen Maturi testified that semen taken from the woman matched Vines. Dr. John McFarland of the East Alabama Medical Center told jurors that he treated the woman after the attack.

Vines was the only person to testify in his own defense.

This was James Vines’ second trial in this case. His first trial, in 2009, ended in a mistrial. Following this week’s trial, a jury found him guilty of rape. The jury deliberated for about 25-minutes and apparently didn’t believe James Vines claims that sex with the 90-Year-Old Woman was consensual. They returned a unanimous verdict of guilt.


In Aptil, a man in Texas was sentenced to 20 years for raping a 79 year old woman. He could have faced life in prison.
http://cbs11tv.com/local/Brad.Beavers.Sentenced.2.1634536.html

Anyone think that sentence is too long?

Three days ago, an 18 year old was arrested for raping a 79 year old woman in a Tennessee nursing home.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100716/NEWS03/100716028/1001/NEWS

Think she consented?

Last December, a man raped a 79 year old woman in India.
http://www.zopag.com/news/79yearold-woman-raped-by-youth/11013.html

Anyone think "she asked for it"?

In 2007, a 79 year old woman was raped in Callosa d'En Sarrià as she left Mass.
http://forum.stirpes.net/immigration-crime/10502-ecuatorian-immigrant-raped-79-year-old-woman.html

Think she was flirting?

Last September, a man in Long Beach, California was arrested for raping an 83 year old legally blind woan.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/long-beach-rapist.html

In May, 2010, a teenager in Charlotte, North Carolina, was arrested for raping an 83 year old woman.
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?s=12514303

In June, a an 85 year old woman in Detroit was assaulted and raped in her home.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19336-Detroit-Crime-Examiner~y2010m6d23-85-year-old-Detroit-woman-assaulted-raped-and-left-for-dead-by-east-side-home-invader

In June, 2010, a man forced his way into the home of an 85 year old woman in Georgia, and attempted to rape her. She fought back and he fled the scene.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19336-Detroit-Crime-Examiner~y2010m6d23-85-year-old-Detroit-woman-assaulted-raped-and-left-for-dead-by-east-side-home-invader

In January 2010, a man was arrested for raping, robbing, and beating an 80 year old woman in Houston.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/22348294/detail.html

In June, 2010, a man in Connecticut was arrested and charged with raping a 90 year old woman repeatedly over a period of two years while she was in his care.
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Man-charged-with-raping-90-year-old-woman-527087.php

Child sexual abuse is sickening, but so is the rape of the elderly.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
I will not disagree that such behavior is legal, given that both parties are consenting adults.

But just because something is legal does not make it right.

Nor does it make it psychologically healing, or a healthy behavior in general.

Pretty much by definition, BDSM would be considered outside the norm. Since psychological health is defined as "being normal", then the fact that you engage in BDSM makes you psychologically unhealthy.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
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you JTT are a strange one to be making the argument to leave important matters to the elites, the same elites who have failed the test of producing good results for all of our lives.


If I was able to understand what you're saying, I possibly would be able to give you a response.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:33 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
On the dressing and rape statistics, I don't know. I'm guessing they vary relative to place.


To amend, what I meant by place was culture. I suppose some people in some cultures take so called provocative clothes as a signal, but of course I think they are benighted, delusional. Some people in "provocative clothes" may be on the make as may some in non-provocative clothes. I think the clothes are irrelevant but I get that others disagree with me.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 04:52 pm
@ossobuco,
When women in their 80's and 90's are getting raped, with alarming frequency, it clearly has nothing to do with provocative clothing. Or flirting. Or anything that the woman does. Women do not ask to get raped.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:10 pm
Maui Senior Citizens On Edge After 2 Rapes

http://www.kitv.com/news/4619939/detail.html
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:10 pm
@firefly,
Yes, of course, we agree. Just as we agree a thirteen year old is by definition incapable of informed consent. But there are clusters that take it we do ask by what we wear, and it gets tricky, as surely some percentage that do wear 'provocative' clothing do want to engage, are on the make. I don't take them as wanting rape though, that's a big jump.

I'll even posit that women don't think that way. No data, of course.

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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:11 pm
@DrewDad,
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Pretty much by definition, BDSM would be considered outside the norm. Since psychological health is defined as "being normal", then the fact that you engage in BDSM makes you psychologically unhealthy.


I'd say, too many assumptions made there to arrive at that conclusion, DD.

Do you think that the norm is the missionary position, by definition?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:12 pm
@DrewDad,
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Since psychological health is defined as "being normal
wrong. it is defined as emotionally well, as in happy and functioning the way you want to be. Being normal has nothing to do with it.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're taking over whole threads with your obsessions. Play rape may be erotic, and none of us are arguing that, you are strawmaning. There is an understanding between participants. Real rape is no game.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
and you're just ****.

and we all know it.

your sickness is unbecoming...
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:24 pm
@firefly,
The list you put together illustrates "way too many", in the sense that even one is way too many, but I think, with alarming frequency is a bit of a stretch, don't you think, FF?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:30 pm
@ossobuco,
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u're taking over whole threads with your obsessions. Play rape may be erotic, and none of us are arguing that, you are strawmaning. There is an understanding between participants. Real rape is no game.
I dont think I have mentioned play rape, you are lost.

In the last few days we have talked about a lot of issues around sex and the criminalization of sex, as well as the recovery from rape...all of the subjects have been important and should be talked about.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 05:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
so why don't you start your own thread, and see who shows up to play with you...?
 

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