Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

You know what would be a fun thing to do is to place the Pope picture in all the major newspapers without his robes and of course not naming him and ask any woman who might had been sexual assaulted by this man to come forward.

It would be interesting indeed to see how many women out a population of 4 millions is going to come forward IDing the holy father.

Sorry this is not real police work this is pure attempt to manufacture charges again the gentleman.

Evidently you do. You're the one who wants "to place safeguards for men into our sexual assaults laws." And yet, when I asked you several times what those safeguards should be, you can't seem to come up with an answer.


Sure I can.


I consider that to be doing the work that you should be doing yourself. If you can't be bothered to support your position by finding the evidence for it, I don't see why I should be either.


Oh, I don't think it's very strange. You don't have any evidence to support your position and you can't find any, so you lash out at me for highlighting that fact. No, that's not very strange at all.

When women like that NY Post columnist, and an assistant D.A., come forward with stories of being sexually assaulted by this same man, I think that is significant information that should not only be investigated by the police, but presented to a jury at his rape trial. It establishes a pattern of past behavior which is extremely similar to the situation in the rape he is now accused of. These are credible women, with reputations of their own to protect. They have no reason to lie. And this is not the case of trying to identify a stranger, they spent time with him. The columnist went out on a date with him, and knew his name and where he worked. Her ID of this man is no mistake.

If he has sexually assaulted or raped other women, I hope they come forward too. The police were right to release his mug shot to the press.

One minute you bitch and moan that he said/she said testimony is not enough evidence to present to a jury. Well, evidence of a pattern of similar past behavior of sexual assaults against other women gives jurors more evidence to consider.And now you object to that?

Don't you believe that there are men who commit rapes? Don't you want these people off the streets?
What sort of "evidence" do you need? Do you think rapists commit their crimes in front of security cameras?

Yes, indeed even with the best faith in the world the wrong man/person is picked out of normal police lines ups far too often and yet you think it a good idea to run the poor guy picture not in a line up but all by itself for anyone of four millions women to decide they had a sexual run in with him?

My that is fine but I would love to see the results if you publish the same story with a picture of any other male that ever live and see how many hits you will get.

The current Pope came to mind first but how about the New York Police chief or the idiot detective that came up with this idea?

The "others" you speak of have not been charged with a crime. Idiot!

How about you go get lost.

You have nothing intelligent to say on this topic. You make the same meaningless comments over and over. Your only purpose seems to be to disrupt the thread. Most of us have been trying to have a thoughtful, serious, meaningful discussion on this topic. You seem incapable of doing that.

Even Hawkeye suggested you should leave this thread. Why don't you take his advice.

First the rule of law and evidence normally have very narrow limits on even past behaviors a person had been convicted of being put forward in any new trial.

Given that he had not even been convicted of anything yet that would go double and beyond double in this case.

Even men charges with rape or sexual assault have the normal protections of the law courts.

However, if you wish the rules on the men past or even unproven claims about the men sexual past to be allow in then the sexual past or even unproven claims of the “victim” or “victims” should be fair game also correct?

Poor baby it far too must fun to throw sand into your very very weak logic.

Yes, let forget about the normal rules of law and let anything come into a rape trial as long as it might harm the man.

It not good enough for you that we have a criminal justice system that allow far too many laster proven beyond question innocent men to be convicted of sexual assault we need to weaken the protections for the accuse even more.

Five innocent teenagers lives was ruin by the New York Police poor behavior in the past and yet they are trying to do the same once more.

Strange with two high power victims the police feel the need to go to the degree they are to go after this man.

Bet that there is far more to this story then that had been reported in the papers to date.

If you didn't have me on ignore, I would ask you to decipher that last post or at least translate it into English for those of us who are multilingual.

So just telling you where this evidence happen to be is not good enough however cutting and pasting the links would be?

Hmm should I bother to play your game and cut or paste the links or just place you on my block list as a silly game player or should I do both?

Here is ten percent or so of the information that can be found on the innocent Project website or links from that website that did not exist.

I am now placing you on ignore goodbye………………………………………………



www.innocenceproject.org/docs/Eyewitness_Testimony_Ann_Rev.pdf

www.innocenceproject.org/docs/NJ_eyewitness.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=EHWk-ajleK0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%E2%80%9CMistaken+Identification:+The+Eyewitness,+Psychology,&source=bl&ots=OzX5PXGaqG&sig=3en7ZvTGnJ0kSh2wh-sJOS10FSs&hl=en&ei=0_dZTNXgHYT78AbzovWwCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false


http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/165.php

http://www.innocenceproject.org/fix/Eyewitness-Identification.php

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/1151.php

Throwing sand is exactly what you are doing. But that's not the same as being able to think. I could have outclassed your intellectual skills when I was still in diapers.

Your gripes have nothing to do with this topic. You are complaining about the criminal justice system. That has nothing to do with the crime of rape. Whatever flaws exist in the criminal justice system affect all criminal charges and defendants and not just those charged with, or convicted of, rape.

Your claims about all these innocent people sitting in jail are meaningless. How do you know they are innocent? If they were so obviously innocent, why aren't they being released? Most people sitting in jail claim to be innocent.

The Innocence Project, using DNA, has also confirmed that the guilty parties were
sitting in jail. People who claimed to be innocent, were tested and found to be guilty of exactly the crime for which they were convicted.

So stop regurgitating your mantra about false accusations and innocent people sitting in jail. We've heard them already.

You contribute nothing to this discussion. You seem to have a rather pathetic need for attention. You remain in a thread where you post mainly barely coherent remarks, generally in defense of rapists or rape apologist attitudes. You insult the other people posting, and you are doing nothing but proving you are a buffoon and a boor. Hawkeye suggested you get out of here. Take his advice.

When I was in high school in NJ in the last 60s, the newspapers broke the story that the state police agencies were making used of high schools yearbooks photos for criminal investigations.

I can remember the outrage and the worry most of us have at the time over this and whether we should allow a picture in our yearbook or not.

I do not think that any of us was thinking of going into a life of crime however the idea that hundred or thousands of times our yearbook pictures could be shown to any victim of a crime committed by a young person in the area was frightening to us.

All it would have taken is one person to point to our pictures and we would find ourselves in the middle of a criminal investigation we had nothing to do with and no knowledge of.

The public uproar results in the state police departments promising to stop this practice and so we all did go ahead and have our pictures taken but it was not a nice feelings for a few weeks wondering if the sane course would be not to get our pictures place in our own yearbooks!

NJ came very close however to having very few high school yearbooks with many pictures in them.

NEW DNA TESTING




Men are being released after decades see the Innocent Project Website for more details.

The problem that with the large percent of the cases where DNA exist to be tested proving that the persons sitting in prison were innocent the concern now is how many of the others who are sitting in prison are innocent because they can never prove so because no DNA still exist?

By the law of mathematic it should be similar to the population that DNA existed to be tested.

We have a problem in our justice system and no matter how painful it is for a woman to be rape I do not think it likely greater then a man being taken away from his family and life for twenty to thirty years for a rape he did not do.

I weep with remorse.

Listen closely, moron. A man's chance of being wrongfully sent to prison for rape, are roughly the same as his being struck by lightning. Compare that to the staggering odds a woman will be raped in her lifetime.

The Innocence Project has released fewer wrongfully accused rapists since their inception than women have been raped...TODAY. Pull your head out of your ass, you sick, twisted, piece of ****.

Wanna form the Ignored by Billy Club?

I have no problem at all placing men who had raped women in prison for life as I have any numbers of women I care about and a numbers that I love.

However, I also can feel for the men who had spend a large part of their life times in prison by error for rapes they have been proven beyond question they did not do.

For some strange reason you seem to care less about this and one can only wonder why you cannot have human feelings toward men that had happen to. Is the fact that they happen to have a penis that big of a deal with you?

Second, I have a problem with you or anyone else who would wish to place a burden of protecting a woman from her own bad judgment onto her sexual partner with a punishment of a rape charge if he does not do so.

That somehow if a woman decide to go drinking with a man and then eagerly and with full consent at the time engage in sexual relationships that she at her whim can cry raped later if she have any regret due to her own drinking. Placing some burden on the man of doing a sobriety test on her before engaging in sex it would seem. Is the standard a .08 blood level or what by the way?

I love the case of the sleeping West Pointer that a woman climbed into his bed waking him up by starting to kiss him and then engage in sex willingly but later claimed it was in fact rape because she regretted losing her virginity on her twenty birthday in that manner and once more had been drinking.

Sorry I think it is a crazy position to be taking that a woman can turn willing sex into rape at her whim or regret using the excuse of her own drinking. In the case of the West Pointer he was not even drinking with her!!!!!

In he said she said dating couples cases where there is no evidence bearing on the issue of consent I can not see how in the world anyone can be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt on just the word of the woman and such cases should not be allow to go to trial.

On the last issue you have express no outrage at all when women misused the justice system and is proven to have falsely accuse a man or even a group of men with rape and seem to think that the punishment should be nothing but filing a false police report.

Overall, you have no feelings for anyone with a penis and that I find sick indeed and I would suggest some form of mental health therapy to deal with you hate and fear of men.

So it does not matter as long as it is not a very large number and it does not happen to you????????

Beside the numbers of real rapes is not likely to be as overwhelming as you are stating.

Let see I had known one woman who had claimed to had been raped in my life. No two women as one woman father sexual abused her.

It sure the hell not the silly numbers some are putting out of 30 percent or what not as a rape does not occur because a woman regret the sex afterward or feel pressure into it by a boyfriend who did not used force or threat of force only the threat of breaking up with her.

There is no large percent of cases where DNA testing confirms that the man in prison is actually innocent. The number of such cases is relatively small compared to the number of convictions and the number of people incarcerated.

I posted articles by someone from the Innocence Project a few times in this thread. Even they don't claim that extremely large numbers of innocent men are sitting in prison for rape. And they have confirmed guilt in several instances (where the man alleged he was innocent) by using DNA. On top of that, the Innocence Project selects it's cases very carefully, trying to use DNA testing only in those instances where some mishandling of the case occurred and where they have reason to believe the man is innocent. So, you can't use the number of men they have gotten released from prison and extrapolate that to the entire prison population.

But all of that is beside the point. You do nothing but raise this same issue, over and over and over again. And the same is true about the issue of false accusations, it's the same thing over, and, over and over again. You have made the point. You have nothing new to add to it. Why do you keep re-hashing the same issues. No one disagrees with you on these issues. No one wants innocent people to be sitting in prison or falsely accused.

People convicted of rape have had their day in court. And they were all represented by lawyers who tried to poke holes in the prosecution's case and couldn't do it sufficiently to dissuade juries from returning guilty verdicts. In the overwhelming number of cases, the guilty person was found guilty. Basically the system works extremely well. And, thanks to the Innocence Project, it should work even better in the future.

Meanwhile, women are being raped all the time, and a great many of those rapists are not caught or convicted. You seem to be assuming that many of these women are lying about being raped. Most women do not lie about that sort of thing. And it is insulting to all women, including the ones posting in this thread, that you not only make such assumptions, you aren't really concerned about the problem of rape. Your indifference to the problem is astonishing. It is a real problem, with real victims, most of whom never get to see their rapists even enter a courtroom. Instead, you harp about the problems of the men accused or convicted of rape. That you should so skew your sympathies only to the man, and ignore the victim, really suggests you do not understand the problem of rape or take it seriously. Which, of course, raises the question of why you continue to hang around this thread, except to act as an irritant.

The case I just posted, about the man arrested in NYC for raping a Russian tourist, is a good example. You immediately took the position that the police were wrong to release the man's photo because this will result in all sorts of misidentification's from dingbat women.You joked about using a photo of the Pope because women would finger him too.

Meanwhile, the first two women to come forward, a columnist for the NY Post, and an assistant D.A. are both highly credible people with reputations of their own to protect. These are not the sort of people who would be given to lying about a matter like this. And you are wrong, they can use testimony at trial from women like these two if it confirms a pattern of behavior that matches that of the rape he is accused of. And no, they can't delve into the victim's sexual past history with this current rape charge because we rightly have rape shield laws to protect against that, but, more importantly, because she isn't the one accused of the crime. His past sexual assaults are relevant in establishing a pattern of behavior toward women, her past sexual history is irrelevant in considering whether he raped her.

And the more women who come forward with similar stories about this man, the more leverage the D.A. will have to get him to accept a plea in the current rape case and spare them the time and money of a trial. And I expect that many more credible women will come forward. This man has been bothering women in NYC for a long time, and that date with him, that the NY Post columnist described, came pretty close to escalating to a possible rape. She was lucky. This is a very dangerous type of man. He initially appears to be very charming, but even when women agreed to be with him in public places, they were not safe. I do believe he probably raped that tourist, she went running out of the park and had him immediately arrested. He will probably take a plea deal, if not, he faces 25 years on the rape charge alone. The man is so grandiose he can't even keep his mouth shut. He's been giving interviews from jail.



This man may be so nuts that he may not even consider what he did to be rape. The case goes to the grand jury tomorrow. They will probably indict him on the rape charge. In the court of public opinion, he is already being seen as guilty. And, with this one, there is no issue of misidentification, and the victim, a 43 year old Russian tourist, has agreed to testify at his trial.

Date rape is a scarey business, the risk is there even when smart women are careful. Men like this one, make women suspicious of all men.