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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 09:02 pm
@BillRM,
.This is an example of the silliness that occur when you allowed rape charges in an ongoing marriage.

I would not be surprise if they got back together after all that.


Quote:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8115496/Woman-who-accused-husband-of-rape-jailed-for-falsely-retracting-the-claims.html

Woman who accused husband of rape jailed for "falsely retracting" the claims
A woman who claims she was repeatedly raped by her husband has been jailed for eight months for "falsely retracting" the allegations.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 09:05 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Sex is however a normal part in most ongoing marriages so to apply rape laws design for people not in such a relationship does far far more harm then good.

Any law that does more harm then good should not be on the books no matter how PC the law happen to be.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 09:25 pm
@hingehead,
I'm debating Bill on purpose, I am familiar with what that entails. I am hoping that people who tend to lose their temper doing so will find it easier to ignore him and won't feel compelled to respond since his posts are being refuted by someone representing the saner side of the spectrum.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 09:28 pm
@BillRM,
Why can't you answer a single one of my questions that poke holes in your position?

If you are assaulted and raped is that worse than just being assaulted? Your assertion that married people who are raped should only have assault charges pressed against their spouses ignores that being assaulted and raped is worse than just being assaulted and that the punishments should be different.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 10:12 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I'm always shocked when someone takes me seriously.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 10:13 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Look by allowing rape charges inside an ongoing married you are opening up a can of worm and I and you or no one else can decide how any one woman will feel about force sex with her partner.

I do know that the first woman who charge her husband with rape ended up going back with him after he was found not guilty!!!!!!

The state should not get involved with the complex relationship in an ongoing marriage as it can results in such silliness of a woman ending up in prison for falsely withdrawing her charges against her husband for example.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 10:25 pm
@BillRM,
Can you answer my question or not? You've repeated your "can of worms" version of argument over and over but refuse to address any of the questions that poke holes in your argument.

Why can't you answer the question?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 10:52 pm
@Robert Gentel,
As all women do not feel the same about force sex with their partners your question have no answer concerning assault compare to rape and assault.

Hell there are women into BDSM for that matter and there was a case of a gentleman who was charge by his partner with assault and rape with a film of him doing the deed.

When his lawyer saw the film he told the man that he must take a plead deal and the only thing in the end that save him from a long prison sentence was when his true love got a case of conscience and admitted her charges was untrue and they had both been taking part in an act of BDSM.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 10:53 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Welcome to the wonderful world of 'survivors of sexual assault'.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 11:14 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of 'survivors of sexual assault'.


An to the wonderful world of men who had been falsely accused of assault for that matter.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 11:25 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
As all women do not feel the same about force sex with their partners your question have no answer concerning assault compare to rape and assault.


I did not ask about "all women" I asked about you. If you were assaulted and raped vs just assaulted would you consider it worse than just being assaulted?
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2015 11:56 pm
@Robert Gentel,
You have an implied bias in the question that makes it impossible to answer fairly. Would you rather be raped or assaulted? I'll take rape. A friend was out on the town with his girlfriend. He was put in an induced coma and took 2 months before he could leave hospital. She was raped and left the same night.

She went on to have a normal life, he, even years later, is terrified to go out. He was bashed saving her from EVIL rape whereupon she left him straight after and found another boyfriend rather too quickly.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 12:08 am
@Ionus,
You seem to have had some trouble reading a simple question so I'll try to help you out.

The question is not whether you would rather be raped or assaulted, it is whether you would want to be just assaulted or both raped and assaulted.

Bill's position is that if a husband forcibly rapes his wife we do not need to charge him for rape because that is also an assault. But he refuses to acknowledge that assault and rape is worse than just assault and deserves to be treated so.

Not a hard concept to wrap one's head around, he avoids answering it because it makes it obvious that his claim that we should have no laws that protect against marital rape is nonsensical.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 12:30 am
@Robert Gentel,
You cant read so I will repeat the obvious "You have an implied bias in the question"...did you have any trouble understanding that? Are you going to pretend you dont have the intelligence to understand you have loaded the question in your favour? I suppose I might have to believe that...in the mean time I choose to assume you have an average intelligence and know full well the question is loaded.

A marriage contract is an agreement on many things, all recognised under law, including that the couple will have sex together and hope to have children. Most of the law involved in divorce is about children, even to the extent that property settlement and trusts (trusts are almost above most laws) can be dispersed on the basis of child custody. By introducing rape into marriage, there is no longer any agreement to have sex.

Ever hear of sexual assault? In some laws it is the technical term for rape, as the word is not mentioned in statute. There are degrees of sexual assault. If I put my hand on a woman's arse and she didnt want it, that could be sexual assault. I was calming my angry wife down once, and I gave har a cuddle from behind and my arms touched her tits. Being angry, she struggled but with some added humour on my part she calmed down, smiled and kissed me. She could have charged me with rape. Would that be reasonable? Was I guilty?
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 12:33 am
@Ionus,
Guess you can't answer the simple question either.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 12:42 am
@Robert Gentel,
You want to sail the Feminist ship as far as it goes...that way you dont look like a big mean man and you will help women overcome their size inadequacies...news flash!! They are overcompensating. They became unreasonable some years ago.

Why do women and men prefer a male boss? You are not very good at questions so I will tell you...there is far less chance of a man turning into a bitch one day due to an emotional issue. So why are we giving them even more power? They overtook equality with men years ago.

Just a parting thought. I'm asleep. It is morning. I wake up with an erection and my wife has started to perform oral. I didnt want sex, she is guilty of rape. Makes sense now?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 06:46 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert, now you are beginning to understand how frustrating attempting to herd these two cats is. They never answer questions and they bring up all sorts of non responsive anecdotes as if they explain anything at all. And then insult you, to boot.

I see your frustration building. Watch out lest you get suspended for intemperate language, while these two dishonest debaters get to continue posting misogynist crap.
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 07:31 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Why do women and men prefer a male boss? You are not very good at questions so I will tell you...there is far less chance of a man turning into a bitch one day due to an emotional issue.


you obviously never worked for a golfer, an ex boss of mine would alternate between sulking and terrorizing after a bad day on the links
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 07:50 am
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
f you were assaulted and raped vs just assaulted would you consider it worse than just being assaulted?


Somehow being a 6 foot male the idea that I could be rape by my partner is frankly emotional meaningless so your question is meaningless as far as what I would consider.

I had been assaulted by a partner/wife but once more being far more powerful than the person assaulting me, it hardly the same as a woman being assaulted by her partner.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2015 08:24 am
@BillRM,
So if you claim to be "unrapable" how do you claim to speak so incisively against women who are not only "rapable" but are raped?
 

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