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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:58 pm
@Leadfoot,
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It was called 'Heroin Chic'. Why that should be sexually appealing to some I don't know, but apparently it is.

It was not about the erotic, it was about a consistent element of design. We have shabby chic interior design and the fashion people have been doing the same idea (what ever they label it). We live in the age of the $350 t-short and the $1,500 pair of ripped up jeans. That needs the right face and hair to sell it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Hawkeye's got a good point, it you decriminalize rape, the number of rapes will go down dramatically in crime reports!

He's a ******* genius!

I am more concerned with people, with freedom and with equality than I am what the official rape number is. THis is a collective that mistakes the economic numbers for what is important, which is how well this economy serves the humans it was designed to serve. It comes as no shock that a collective that goes so far off the rails when trying to understand economics would also get fixated on the rape stats. Not me, I am smarter than the average bear.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:05 pm
@Leadfoot,
A bit harsh, I think. They are fourteen years old after all. We don't let them vote, drink, smoke, drive, sign contracts, give very much consent legally.

If you're saying we as unrelated adults should have no say in these young girls lives or even how they come off, we agree.

My children looked just like those kids and they became an art director with American Greetings, a certified bi-lingual AP history teacher, one is working on her doctorate in Archaeology after doing six years of field work. Two graduated Summa. I not only let them have dyed hair, I did the dye. I figured that if it went wrong, I was going to be responsible, not the neighbor's daughter. I was a single dad for my daughters after the oldest was twelve.

The one thing I am proud of is that I let them be kids when they were kids.

We need to check ourselves on our opinions of others worth by judgement of their personal style.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It was not about the erotic, it was about a consistent element of design. We have shabby chic interior design and the fashion people have been doing the same idea (what ever they label it). We live in the age of the $350 t-short and the $1,500 pair of ripped up jeans. That needs the right face and hair to sell it.

Hmmmm.... Maybe, but I doubt it. It was used to sell $5000.00 dresses as well as distressed jeans. Some people interpret the look as a come-on. 'Go ahead, **** me, I don't care'.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:15 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Hmmmm.... Maybe, but I doubt it. It was used to sell $5000.00 dresses as well as distressed jeans. Some people interpret the look as a come-on. 'Go ahead, **** me, I don't care'.

the face and the hair are decided by the people who make the clothes, and what they care about is their art and also selling clothes. What turns you on comes far down the list of their priorities.

EDIT: However, the attitude "me woman, I am so powerful that I dont care about what men think of me" is a strong theme in modern feminism, and the people who want to sell women clothes want women to feel good when wearing them. Fashion shows with the current of female empowerment are very common.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:15 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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We need to check ourselves on our opinions of others worth by judgement of their personal style.


Umm.... Yeah.

Leadfoot, AKA, Dirty Old Man

Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
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the face and the hair are decided by the people who make the clothes, and what they care about is their art and also selling clothes. What turns you on comes far down the list of their priorities.


Really? You believe that?

Or are you having me on? I don't want to make assumptions about you :-)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:21 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Really? You believe that?

I make it a point to try to be honest with myself and others. I highly encourage people to point out my errors when I am wrong however.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
In one sense you are right. They are trying to sell product.

But 'sex sells' and they darn sure know it.

(Written as I peruse the seductive woman in a motorcycle advertisement)
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:48 pm
@Leadfoot,
Yeah and once you explained yourself I backed off:

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If you're saying we as unrelated adults should have no say in these young girls lives or even how they come off, we agree.


Delicate, aren't we? What .... too judgmental?

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 04:21 am
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On June 15, U.S. District Judge Donovan W. Frank struck down Minnesota's law allowing for the civil commitment of so-called sexually violent predators. SVP laws allow a person to be locked away indefinitely after he has completed his maximum prison sentence. Twenty states and the federal government have passed such laws, and over 5,000 SVPs are incarcerated at an annual cost in excess of 450 million dollars.

Judge Frank found Minnesota's law unconstitutional because it continued to hold people after they were no longer dangerous. The next day, a three-judge panel on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held that California's SVP law did not violate the Constitution because, as Judge Susan Graber wrote, "a state rationally may decide that sexually violent crime is qualitatively more dangerous than other kinds of violent crime."

These cases came out differently in part because Judge Frank considered evidence of SVP dangerousness, while the Ninth Circuit for the most part did not. Shirking facts is nothing new when it comes to sex offender laws. In Kansas v Hendricks, the U.S. Supreme Court simply accepted as true the legislature's claim that SVPs are "extremely dangerous" and their "likelihood of engaging in repeat acts of predatory sexual violence is high."

Yet dangerousness is critical to the constitutionality of SVP laws. Many people support putting away sex offenders forever, but the Constitution prohibits a person from being punished twice for the same crime. Legally, a state may not hold a sex offender past his release date because it feels he deserves more time, but it may civilly commit him if it can prove that he is mentally ill and dangerous.

In a 2013 paper published in the Brooklyn Law Review, we questioned this central premise -- that there is a small, readily identifiable segment of the population so dangerous public safety demands they be locked away. If this claim were true we would expect to see what criminologists term an "incapacitation effect" -- in other words, removing these dangerous people from the community should have a negative impact on the rate of crimes we believe they are at risk of committing. Specifically, we would expect to see less sexual homicide, forcible rape, and child sexual abuse.

Of course it's also possible that SVP laws have an impact on the incidence of certain crimes because they deter would-be sex offenders from violating the law. A deterrence theory is modeled on a rational choice view where if the costs of violating a law are high enough a person will choose not to offend. Such would be the case if a would-be sex offender decided not to transgress because he didn't want to risk lifetime commitment as a SVP.

In our analysis we used panel data on U.S. states over the last few decades to examine the impact of SVP laws on the incidence of sex-related homicide and forcible rape. We also used data collected in the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System to examine the impact of SVP legislation on the incidence of non-fatal child sexual abuse. Since underreporting poses problems in accurately measuring the incidence of sex crimes, we additionally examined gonorrhea rates, a common proxy for the prevalence of sexual abuse.

We found SVP laws have had no discernible impact on the incidence of sex crimes or gonorrhea. We found neither an incapacitation nor a deterrence effect. Our findings may seem surprising, but they are consistent with a 2003 Department of Justice study that found just 5.3% of sex offenders were rearrested for a new sex crime within three years of release from prison. They also make sense given the advanced age of SVPs. Studies show that, like other types of offenders, as sex offenders age their recidivism rate drops. Our data indicate that the median age at admission for an SVP is roughly 43.

No empirical study can "prove a zero." However, they do shift the burden back on to proponents to justify programs that have no demonstrable impact on stated objectives. This is particularly true when resources are tight; arguably criminal justice dollars would be better spent on the many thousands of rape kits that have been collected and yet never tested.

Minnesota has already said it will challenge Judge Frank's decision, and Tim Seeboth indicated he would appeal to a full judge panel of the Ninth Circuit. It's possible that the Supreme Court will get another chance to decide the constitutionality of SVP laws. Whatever happens, jurists should follow Judge Frank's embrace of empirical evidence and not just defer to unjustified assumptions about sex offender dangerousness. The stakes are too high, not just for the individuals facing lifetime commitment, but for society as a whole

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamara-rice-lave/are-sexually-violent-predators-dangerous-enough_b_8140714.html

The assertions of the feminists often run into trouble when science is allowed to test them.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 01:59 am
@hawkeye10,
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An Olympic gymnastics coach facing child molestation and sexual misconduct charges in Indianapolis was found dead in his jail cell on Saturday night in an apparent suicide, authorities said.

The coach, Marvin Sharp, 49, was discovered just after 8 p.m. at the county jail where he was being held, Marion County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Katie Carlson said. Authorities believe he committed suicide, she said.

Sharp was arrested last month after authorities raided his home and found thousands of video and image files containing child pornography, NBC affiliate WTHR reported.

Sharp, who opened Sharp's Gymnastics Academy 14 years ago, sent over 100 athletes to national championships, according to the academy's website.

In 2008, two of his gymnasts — Samantha Peszek and Bridget Sloan — won silver medals at the Olympic games in Bejing.

According to criminal court documents, one young student described a recent two-year period when Sharp took "hundreds if not thousands of photos of her in various poses."

Sharp would allegedly touch her inappropriately, the documents say, and at one point he asked her to wear a straightjacket.

In an interview with police, Sharp confirmed the photo-shoots but described the photographs as "muscle pictures" and said the student's mother authorized them, according to the documents. Sharp told police he did not mean to make the student "feel uncomfortable," the documents say.

Sharp was being held on four counts each of child molestation and sexual conduct with a minor, according to jail records. He was booked on Aug. 24.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/olympic-gymnastics-coach-accused-molestation-found-dead-jail-n430651

With the charging so low I gotta wonder if the "child porn" was not much, nor were his alleged bad acts in the gym. I betcha this is a case of the state thinking they have a bad guy, and keeping him locked up as they dug through his life. Maybe they found something and that is why he killed himself, but more likely it is because he does like kids (erotically) and 49 years of age found him resisting that urge to have sex with kids all of his life successfully, getting what erotic fulfilment as he could being around kids and touching kids as a coach, and still his life is over because the state decided to destroy him. That this is the agony of a guy he at great torment resisted his needs, and still ends up getting pained as one of the worst kinds of humans alive. And I also figure that the state used bail as punishment, that they denied him reasonable bail. A month is a long time to rot in jail as the state ruins your life.

We might get to know but I doubt it. If questioned the prosecutors would just lie, they will say that he was a very bad guy, whether he was or was not.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 02:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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More than 20 percent of female undergraduates at an array of prominent universities said this year they were victims of sexual assault and misconduct, echoing findings elsewhere, according to one of the largest studies ever of college sexual violence.


Here are key data and reactions from universities that participated in the AAU’s joint study of sexual assault this year. All schools are AAU members, except Dartmouth College. This file will be updated.

(For comparison, here are some overall figures: The survey found that 23 percent of undergraduate women and 5 percent of undergraduate men said they were victims of non-consensual sexual contact – ranging from penetration to sexual touching — due to force or incapacitation. Eleven percent of undergraduate women said they were victims of non-consensual penetration.

Another key overall finding: 20 percent of students said sexual assault and misconduct is very or extremely problematic on their own campus. The AAU survey had a total response rate of 19 percent.)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/09/21/what-a-massive-sexual-assault-survey-showed-about-27-top-u-s-universities/

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Nonconsensual Sexual Contact by Physical Force, Threats of Physical Force or
Incapacitation. Students were asked about nonconsensual sexual contact that was the result of
physical force, threats of physical force or incapacitation. This combination of tactics and behaviors
generally meets legal definitions of rape (penetration) and sexual battery (sexual touching). The
definitions provided to the respondent for the behaviors included (see items G1 through G5 on the
survey):
 Penetration:
– when one person puts a penis, finger, or object inside someone else’s vagina or
anus
– when someone’s mouth or tongue makes contact with someone else’s genitals
 Sexual Touching:
– kissing
– touching someone’s breast, chest, crotch, groin, or buttocks
– grabbing, groping or rubbing against the other in a sexual way, even if the
touching is over the other’s clothes

https://www.aau.edu/uploadedFiles/AAU_Publications/AAU_Reports/Sexual_Assault_Campus_Survey/Report%20on%20the%20AAU%20Campus%20Climate%20Survey%20on%20Sexual%20Assault%20and%20Sexual%20Misconduct.pdf

I have said before and I will say again when stealing a kiss or touching a woman ass is named sexual assault I am shocked that the sexual assault rate is not at least 75%. Clearly the women are either lying or not having as much fun as they should be.

this was interesting

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More than 50 percent of the victims of even the most serious incidents (e.g., forced
penetration) say they do not report the event because they do not consider it “serious
enough.”


In other words the feminists have more to do on selling them on their victim status.

and this

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The question on absence of affirmative consent (AAC) was introduced with the following definition
(see questionnaire items G8 and G9):
Since you have been a student at [University], has someone had contact with you
involving penetration or oral sex without your active, ongoing voluntary agreement? Examples
include someone:
 initiating sexual activity despite your refusal
 ignoring your cues to stop or slow down
 went ahead without checking in or while you were still deciding
 otherwise failed to obtain your consent
Females and those identifying as TGQN were the most likely to be victimized by this type of tactic.
For example since enrolling at the IHE, 11.4 percent of undergraduate females and 14.8 percent of
undergraduates who identify as TGQN were victimized by this tactic compared to 2.4 percent of
males.


So 11% say they have had at least once instance at least that did not meet the affirmative consent standards that the feminists are pushing for actual sex, which means that the rate of sex over attempts to refuse must be a lot less than that. still a WP headline writer says:
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More than 1 in 5 female undergrads at top schools suffer sexual attacks, survey finds

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

AKA e are just going to make **** up as we go to sell what we are trying to sell.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 02:57 pm
Scott Walker drops out of 2016 presidential race
Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Scott Walker is dropping out of the Republican presidential race, according to a GOP strategist close to the campaign and a senior GOP adviser with knowledge of his plans.

The governor of Wisconsin entered the primary in July as a front-runner -- a darling of both the conservative base and powerful donors after winning his battles against public unions in his left-leaning home state.

Walker has called a 6 p.m. ET news conference in Madison, Wisconsin, where he is expected to announce his decision to withdraw from the race.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/scott-walker-drops-out-2016-election/index.html


oh no!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 03:10 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Scott Walker drops out of 2016 presidential race


You are in the wrong thread pal, but I called that last Thursday.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 04:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
After reading this nonsense my first reaction is that there must be a hell of a high percent of female students who have serous problems with drugs and or alcohol to get so out of it that they can no longer consent to sex.

You would think that if they ended up in bed with someone they would never considered as a partner sober that they would then decided to cut the drugs and or alcohol consumption down not decided they are rape victims.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 04:42 pm
@BillRM,
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After reading this nonsense my first reaction is that there must be a hell of a high percent of female students who have serous problems with drugs and or alcohol to get so out of it that they can no longer consent to sex.


We know that is true, and we also know that the journalists and usually those doing the research are driving an agenda so what they say can not be taken at face value, but from what I saw I think something else is going on in these numbers as well. It looks to me that forcible penetration is being called sexual assault when a guy a girl are making out and the guy is on top, foreplay with the intent to have sex, but because the sex was never talked about and verbally agreed to it is called forcible penetration without consent. AKA rape. I suspect that if the survey was written in such a way to put these events out of the sexual assault numbers that the actual number of women claiming to have been raped would drop below 3%. I think the fact that more than half of the women dont think their "rape" was serious enough to report supports this argument.

I also did notice that since this survey was paid for my universities that for a change we got a real number on the satisfaction of women who reported their alleged sexual assault with the performance of those that they reported it to. I am not shocked that most said that there case was handled either excellent or good. I have known for a long time that the feminist assertion that women dont report because they dont have faith in the agencies that handle these matters is a Bullshit charge, it is merely an excuse to set up processes outside of the established justice system because the laws and Constitution do not allow men to be railroaded in the numbers that the feminists want.

This survey calling an "attempt" to kiss without consent sexual assault is an old ploy to drive up the numbers . Calling someone licking a pussy "sexual penetration" is a ******* joke, and it is much more likely that a female did that than a male. Again this is a way to drive up numbers, and they throw in letting people assume that men did the transgression when it is women who did it. I doubt that this survey was done with enough care to find out which sex was doing the alleged assaulting, and once I was convinced that this was yet another politically motivated exercise rather than an attempt to learn the truth I was not motivated to spend any more time on it.

Had I spent more time the next thing I would have looked to find out was if these numbers are claims over a lifetime or are they claims for what happened at university. I have a strong suspicion that they include every fumbling first attempt at sex with a boyfriend in high school and every grope by dad.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 05:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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but from what I saw I think something else is going on in these numbers as well. It looks to me that forcible penetration is being called sexual assault when a guy a girl are making out and the guy is on top, foreplay with the intent to have sex, but because the sex was never talked about and verbally agreed to it is called forcible penetration without consent. AKA rape.


My point is that because under the definitions she is pinned down and because she did not give agreement for him to **** her when he stuck it in he was raping her, even if they clearly both had agreed earlier to have sex, even if she wanted it. Consent must be ongoing so if she agreed to have sex 10 minutes earlier and was on top of her kissing her and then without asking her again if she wanted to get fucked stuck it in he completed sexual assault under the definitions of this survey. She did not indicate consent at that moment it went in , and he forced his dick into her according to this survey, so he is a bad bad dude.

Driving survey results in the way the elite want them to go is an art.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 05:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye if you read the comments after the story in the Washington Post you will find people tearing the survey apart in some details
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2015 06:58 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye if you read the comments after the story in the Washington Post you will find people tearing the survey apart in some details


Ya, it is not just in politics that we see the little people no longer tolerating the attempts by the elite to blow the bullshit past us. When the elite take on the project of abusing 48% of the population in a gender war they were always going to get to this point eventually. All men who betray their gender specifically and all of the collective generally by supporting this abuse should be crucified. I rarely see this talked about in major media naturally but for awhile now there has been a major discussion amongst men of these cucks who fall in line behind the bitches looking to use the full resources of the government to ensure that future generations of males will be submissive to the females. We have gotten to "ENOUGH!" Manufactured shame for what generations of men before us allegedly did only goes so far.
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