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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 01:53 am
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Op-ed: Pam Anderson Inspired Me to Come Out About Being Sexually Assaulted
Pam Anderson revealed that she found it difficult to trust other humans after enduring years of sexual abuse. That's the case for many.
BY Derrick Clifton.
May 23 2014

My name is Derrick. And I’m a sexual violence survivor.

It’s taken me more than 10 years since first being sexually assaulted to speak or write those words without shame. Not for a lack of trying, though. Whenever my upper lip quivered and I was a breath away from tearfully sharing my pain with someone else, I chose to remain silent. I didn’t want to burden anyone with my painful reality. More often than not, others shushed me instead, starting with that first guy. Silence isn’t as golden as it may seem.

So while I read Pamela Anderson’s speech from her natural welfare foundation launch last Saturday, where she shared her multiple brushes with sexual violence, all I could do was cry. Anderson said she’d gotten to a point in her journey where she felt it might be time to reveal some of her most painful memories: being molested by a babysitter, raped by a friend’s brother as a child, and gang-raped by a boyfriend and his friends in ninth grade. But events during her quest to survive fostered a personal connection with animals.

“Needless to say, I had a hard time trusting humans. I just wanted off this earth,” she said during the launch event at the Cannes Film Festival. “I vowed to protect [the animal kingdom] and only them. I prayed to the whales with my feet in the ocean. My only real friends, till I had children.”

For me, my pen and pad, laptop and a quiet place in my home — my writing process, if you will — have all been my therapy during these years of silence. No one can violate me while I’m alone, writing, working, and creating a space for my own liberation (and perhaps also helping others along their own journey). And in that spirit, I’m sharing my story too.

What should’ve been a typical restroom break from an algebra class ended up being my first experience with an attempted rape, as a teenager. A male classmate and acquaintance of mine encountered me as I wiggled out the last few drops of urine at an unlocked stall, just a flip and a zip away from finishing the job and washing my hands. That’s until I was interrupted by an abrupt clasp on my wrist and a swift, weighty push into the bathroom’s caulked yellow brick walls. He whispered, “I want you, and if you don’t let me have it, I will take it, and you better not say a word.”

He was similar in stature to my adolescent self: 6 foot 1', about 190 pounds, broad shoulders, big hands, and flat, mammoth-like feet. In knowing him, I never once thought he would attack me. But then he exposed from his navy blue trousers what lingers in my mind as hard, thick, roughly eight-inch knife, pointed in my direction like a weapon.

“This is really happening,” I told myself. So I did as older male relatives taught me to do whenever someone put their hands on me: I fought back. I got away. And, with a sense of urgency, I composed myself and headed back into the classroom as if it never happened.

He became one in a number of men who would violate me, verbally and physically. Like the guys who followed me home for three blocks in broad daylight, unable to suppress or filter their thoughts about wanting to “plow my big, tasty ass so hard.” Or the creep in a crowded Boystown bar who grabbed and fingered my butt from behind and apologized while displaying the picture he snapped of it on his iPhone. “I’m sorry, it just looked so good,” he said, as I expressed stern disapproval. There’s the church leader who couldn’t take no for an answer and forced himself on me. And even the job interviewer who wouldn’t hire me because I turned down his advances.

The list goes on and on.

I often asked myself, in a blaming way, “Why am I such an appealing target for men who can’t respect my body and my boundaries?” But it meant everything to recently hear friends tell me what my soul longed to hear: “What happened to you was not your fault.” I now realize it was never about me. It’s about a cultural inability to discuss and express our sexuality in ways that affirm pleasure rather than painful coercion — including attempts at silencing conversations about sexual assault.

I was told to keep quiet by that classmate of mine, and I obeyed. Not because he said so, but because I feared being judged or blamed for what I’d gone through. I’ve tried, slowly but surely, over the past year to break through that fear of speaking up; to shun respectability politics that muzzle discussions about healthy sexuality and to affirm my individual agency. Until recently, I held back, rationalizing it away or putting it off with “now isn’t the right time.”

Pam did the same with her mother for years, she said, keeping it to herself to avoid any upset.

I thought my silence would keep me safe. But, in the words of Audre Lorde, “When we speak, we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak.”

I realize it’s not always possible for survivors like me to speak. Maybe we’re just not emotionally ready. Maybe we’re afraid of retaliation from those who abused us, if they find out we spoke out. Maybe we don’t want to read comments online that say “they wanted it,” as was the case with most media coverage of Anderson's disclosure last weekend.

But I’m finally able to raise my voice anyway, and put my feelings into words, rebounding after a professor discouraged me from doing so in a writing class some months back. He didn’t hurt me with his hands, as other men did, but with his words that minimized my experiences, comparing what I’d endured to a child afraid to confront schoolyard bullies.

When I think of men like him and others, who shut out survivors from speaking our truths, I’m tempted to crank up Beyoncé’s empowerment anthem, “Flawless.” Because I can be a whole, healthy sexual being, and no person’s violation of that energy will ever take it away from me — not anymore. By writing and speaking out, even after all these years, I’m near what I feel is the end of a personal journey to reclaim full ownership of my sexuality, releasing those voices and actions curbing it for so long.

That’s what Pam Anderson taught me, as well as other survivors who have embraced me this past week. And for anyone who dares to silence us? I’m gonna to need for them to bow down.

DERRICK CLIFTON is a Chicago-based journalist and writer primarily covering race, gender, and LGBT issues and their intersections with politics. Follow him on Twitter or Facebook, or visit DerrickClifton.com for more information on his work.

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/05/23/op-ed-pam-anderson-inspired-me-come-out-about-being-sexually-assaulted

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davidmartin123
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 02:00 am
@firefly,
It's totally a shame idea to blame a woman for being raped. No woman in this world want to be raped. So, these types of ads should be banned forever. Moreover, who produced such stuff should be behind the bar.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 03:50 am
@hawkeye10,
It's important to point out the sort of people who believe the nonsense about false rape figures and female culpability. People like BillRM with his interest in child pornography and penchant for hanging out in parks with kittens. And people like yourself, who allows paedophiles access to his own children.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 03:55 am
@izzythepush,
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And people like yourself, who allows paedophiles access to his own children.

are all victims of crimes morally shot, or is it just certain crimes? Can I for instance say that rape victims are raped because they lack morals? If not what not?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 04:42 am
@hawkeye10,
So your children were abused by a paedophile because they lack morals.

I don't think you know the meaning of the word.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 06:11 am
@davidmartin123,
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It's totally a shame idea to blame a woman for being raped. No woman in this world want to be raped. So, these types of ads should be banned forever. Moreover, who produced such stuff should be behind the bar.


Oh so? it is not a common fantasy by a not small percent of all womankind to be taken by force and it is not a part of most of those silly romance novels?

The real world is far more complex then you are willing to admit.


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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/more-women-have-rape-fantasies-than-previously-thought/


More Women Have Rape Fantasies Than Previously Thought
March 28, 2011 by CH
Science is validating unflinching, real world observation with progressively closer glimpses of the id beast lurking underneath our polite and self-deceptive exteriors. Today, science strips away the ego and superego from women’s brains and peers into the sticky, cobwebbed limbic interior to see what really turns them on.

The nature of women’s rape fantasies: an analysis of prevalence, frequency, and contents.

This study evaluated the rape fantasies of female undergraduates (N = 355) using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings. Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates. For women who have had rape fantasies, the median frequency of these fantasies was about 4 times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week. In contrast to previous research, which suggested that rape fantasies were either entirely aversive or entirely erotic, rape fantasies were found to exist on an erotic-aversive continuum, with 9% completely aversive, 45% completely erotic, and 46% both erotic and aversive.

62%. That’s a majority, folks. A majority of women fantasize on average four times per year about being forcefully and nonconsensually penetrated. Nearly two out of ten women fantasize about rape at least once a week. If that doesn’t convince you of the animal nature of women’s sexuality and their deepest desire to submit to a more powerful lover, nothing will. Oh, except watching forlornly as jerks and assholes walk off with the girl of your dreams.

For those wondering what the difference is between “aversive” and “erotic” rape, here is a description culled from a number of studies examining female sexuality (with the important point bolded):

According to Kanin, erotic rape fantasies contain low to moderate levels of fear with no realistic violence. In these fantasies, women typically are approached aggressively by a dominant and attractive male who is overcome with desire for her; she feels or expresses nonconsent and presents minimal resistance; he overpowers her and takes her sexually. Kanin made the interpretation that these were not true rape fantasies, that the described resistance amounted to a “token no,” and he called these “seduction fantasies.” Participants themselves characterized these as rape situations, however, and the self-character in these fantasies showed nonconsent. As no evidence was presented that the self-character’s nonconsent was insincere, the label of “seduction” does not seem justified. [Ed: Feminists wept.] Certainly, in actual rapes minimal resistance and female sexual arousal do sometimes occur (Duddle, 1991; Johnson, 1985), and their occurrence would not render the encounter a seduction rather than a rape.

Aversive rape fantasies come closer to representing realistic rape. In these fantasies, the male is more likely to be older, unattractive, and a stranger. These fantasies contain coercive and painful violence, and little or no sexual arousal. A typical scenario for an aversive fantasy would consist of an assailant “grabbing, throwing to the ground, ripping off clothing, while the victim is fighting to keep the aggressor from achieving penetration” (Kanin, 1982, p. 117). Kanin found that women with aversive rape fantasies were more apprehensive about actual rape and more likely to have dreams of rape than were other women. The more aversive rape fantasies may operate as attempts to deal with the fear of actual rape by gaining some sense of control over rape situations and rehearsing how one might deal with actual rape (Gold & Clegg, 1990; Gold, et al., 1991).

Feminists who lamely try to handwave away rape fantasies as just another form of BDSM consensual sex are wrong. As the studies show, there is no consensual seduction as widely understood in women’s rape fantasies. They are about rape, and nothing but the rape. The only difference is in how violently the rapist penetrates her in her fantasy and in how much of a fight she puts up to stop him. In neither case, though, could the rape fantasy be reasonably termed a consensual seduction.

Ironically, aversive rape fantasies are the ones feminists would be more inclined to believe as true reflections of the female id, because those are the types of rape fantasies that women have to deal with the fear of rape. Too bad for the feminists, though, that, according to the first study linked above, aversive rape fantasies account for only 9% of all rape fantasies, with the great majority being either solely erotic in nature or a mix of erotic and aversive. Seems the ladies really do get off on the feeling of being raped by a strong and willful man.

Nothing in these studies should be a surprise to readers of this blog. It has been noted here, to much consternation and gnashing of the teeth by haters, that women secretly desire to submit to a powerful man — more powerful than they, at any rate — and that this desire sometimes includes a nonconsensual component. Women love the feeling of being overtaken by a man unbendable in his will and unstoppable in his lust.

Some of you might be wondering how valid is a study that only looked at female undergraduates. To that criticism, I say: Would it make a difference? The most sexually valuable women are in the age range of 15-25. Any older than 25 and she is past her prime, already beginning the descent to sexual irrelevancy. (Exception: A fat 21 year old who loses weight and regains a sexy figure at age 30 will look better than her 21 year old self. But this effect only lasts so long.)

When men want to know what arouses women so that they can tailor their game for maximum effectiveness, they observe the behavior patterns of slender women in their primes. Men do not wonder, nor do they care, what cougars, fatties, frumpy hausfraus or grandmothers fantasize about. So for all of you has-beens emphatically denying that you ever have rape fantasies and shouting from the mountaintop that you wouldn’t date jerks…

…who gives a flying ****?

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 06:41 am
@BillRM,
People fantasise about all sorts of things, it doesn't mean they want it to happen in reality.

You seem to have a problem with what should happen in reality, which is why you went to the park with a box of kittens.

You need to study the following illustration, most of us had it cracked before we went to school.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0rxwdAhBX1r7wuo7o1_400.gif
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 07:12 am
@izzythepush,
Yes dear however most people do not either fantasies about or buy books by the car lot concerning subjects that repel them.

Damn women not being PC in their sexual interests............
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 07:40 am
@BillRM,
Repel them? Such literature normally involves a handsome rogue type character, not some sad nerd with overdeveloped wrist muscles from shaking the bishops hand.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 07:58 am
@izzythepush,
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Repel them? Such literature normally involves a handsome rogue type character, not some sad nerd with overdeveloped wrist muscles from shaking the bishops hand.


So? What does that have to do with some women being interest at some level with the idea of being taken by force so any blanket statement such as the one below by David that no woman in the world would wish at some level to be force/rape is not true on it face.

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David Martin posted
No woman in this world want to be raped
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 08:05 am
@BillRM,
You clearly haven't studied the illustration long enough.

Here it is again.

It's really not that hard to understand.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0rxwdAhBX1r7wuo7o1_400.gif
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 09:08 am
@izzythepush,
LOL very few people dream all that often less alone buy books by the car load if they was not interest at least the idea of being taken by a powerful male that does not give a **** about their express desires.

To say nothing of the subset of women that role play in real life those desires with men such as Hawkeye.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 10:16 am
@BillRM,
You just don't get it do you? Have you thought of having a brain scan?
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0rxwdAhBX1r7wuo7o1_400.gif

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 11:18 am
Interesting footnote my wife just told me that since the stay cat had have her kittens the young neighborhood kids are visiting to interact with the mother cat and her kittens. She is hoping to find homes for some of the kittens either with the families of the children or by having the children putting the word out about the kittens.

Lord if it had been me instead of my wife allowing children into the home under those conditions glitterbag would be rounding up a lynch mob as no man could be more interested in finding homes for kittens then sexually molesting children.

A very public park is bad enough but having children in a home behind closed doors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It not a rape culture we have instead it is an anti male culture who view men as a class as evil and a danger to any child or woman for that matter.

Here is a picture of mother cat and kittens.............

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/BillRM/DetriotKittens2.jpg
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 11:46 am
@BillRM,
You do know that a fantasy is under the complete control of the person having the fantasy, don't you? There is no actual surrender to another person in a so-called rape fantasy, because there is no actuality of non-consent operating--the person having the fantasy is in complete control of it.

And there is a considerable difference between a woman enjoying a romance novel, where someone is swept off her feet by a handsome man, and the real life reality of being raped. Only a moron would fail to see the difference.

You are not only justifying rape, you are actively trying to promote it, you are actively encouraging predatory behavior toward females. Now you know why we need sexual assault/rape laws, and why they must be enforced.
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The most sexually valuable women are in the age range of 15-25. Any older than 25 and she is past her prime, already beginning the descent to sexual irrelevancy. (Exception: A fat 21 year old who loses weight and regains a sexy figure at age 30 will look better than her 21 year old self. But this effect only lasts so long.)

When men want to know what arouses women so that they can tailor their game for maximum effectiveness, they observe the behavior patterns of slender women in their primes. Men do not wonder, nor do they care, what cougars, fatties, frumpy hausfraus or grandmothers fantasize about.


You post misogynist/sexist crap, like that passage, and you expect to be taken seriously? Do you wonder why you are so widely regarded as a creep and a lowlife?

This is the level of your thinking,...

http://questionsforus.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/582700_536442479722567_153060543_n.jpg

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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:21 pm
Wow, you think rapists are interested in any woman's fantasy???? A 90 year old woman was raped in her home by an intruder about 3 weeks ago close to D.C., I suppose you think a 90 year old was asking for it, and that's why a subspecies of male couldn't resist. Lesbians get raped, is that because its impossible for them to resist the charms of a smelly old man in cheap shoes?

I guess being a woman doesn't give me much insight into how women think. Ha! you sick guys can be funny sometimes and not even realize why others are laughing.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:40 pm
@glitterbag,
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A 90 year old woman was raped in her home by an intruder about 3 weeks ago

I find this interest in elderly rape interesting, it is as if you are desperate to find cases that we can all agree are sexual violations. I can understand that, as most cases of what we call sexual assault are about drunk young people getting mixed up when they probably both should have had better sense, or very young people doing their first sexual experimentations....and first tries at anything are more likely to go wrong

http://www.livingwell.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stats-qld-police.png

I would much rather put the collective energy into education and assistance than what we do now, investigations and incarceration of males. The last thing we need is more men in prison.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:53 pm
@glitterbag,
And it's not even about sex, glitterbag, rape is about power and humiliation...that's very clear, particularly when men rape other men in prison, or when they rape very elderly women.
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The extent of sexual violence against older women may be far greater than press reports suggest. Earlier this year a report appeared in an American social work journal on sexual abuse of the elderly in Britain. Its author, Malcolm Holt, a Northumberland social worker, wrote to all the medical and social work journals in this country for cases of sexual abuse of the elderly by carers. By the time he wrote the report a year ago, he had 90 cases of sexual abuse by family members. The numbers have now grown to the hundreds. The most frequently reported abusers, 55 per cent, were sons. 'Frail, dependent elderly people, who suffer mental impairment, are very attractive as potential abuse victims' Holt wrote. Who will believe what they say? he asks.

When Holt began his research, there was scepticism about the need for such a study. One GP questioned what harm could be done to a victim who had been raped by her son, since she was old and confused. It was colleagues who remembered the early days of uncovering the extent of child sexual abuse who encouraged Holt to continue with his research.

Why does it happen? 'The issues are the same, whether it's abuse in the home or rape by a stranger,' Holt argues. 'It's about wielding power, leaving the victim totally shocked and humiliated and not willing to give evidence because they are confused and the evidence is unreliable. An American study says that sex offenders can move from children to old people. If their source of victim is denied, they find another.'

The real shame is not the kind that elderly women feel who have been raped, but our ignorance of the subject. A study of sexual assaults on elderly women would throw light on the nature of rape itself, perhaps finally removing any lingering doubt that rape is about power rather than sex. Child sexual abuse, sexual abuse of frail, elderly women, is there so much difference? At the beginning and at the end of life, the weakest, the least likely to be believed, are the rapist's most vulnerable victims.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/why-do-young-men-rape-elderly-women-and-why-does-nobody-care-a-special-report-by-linda-grant-on-a-shocking-crime-which-it-seems-we-all-prefer-to-ignore-1408839.html


Can you believe they tried to blame this 89 year old woman for her sexual assault?

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Branded a flirt and locked in a psychiatric ward, horrific ordeal of rape victim, 89, who was accused of lying about attack by nursing home worker
By Sarah Michael
24 February 2014

An 89-year-old woman who was raped by a 30-year-old nursing home worker was accused of making up the attack and ‘flirting mercilessly’ with her perpetrator by the administrators of the home.

Directors at the Edgewood Vista nursing home in Hermantown, Minnesota have been accused of impeding a rape investigation by suggesting the sex was consensual, court documents show.


Andrew Scott Merzwski was sentenced last month to 53 months in jail for the sexual assault of the elderly woman.

According to court documents, the victim told a nurse she was getting ready for bed when Merzwski came into her room, The Star Tribune reported.

She invited him to sit down and watch a movie with her. Merzwski then walked around the side of her bed and began to take off his clothes.

The 89-year-old gestured towards a photograph of her husband saying ‘It’s not right, this wouldn’t be right’, according to testimony that was filed to the court.

A police report states that the assault then took place. After the attack the woman’s underwear and sheets were bloodstained so she washed them.

The next morning to woman told her daughter about her ordeal, and her daughter reported it to the police. That same say Merzwski admitted having sex with the woman.

But the victim’s ordeal only got worse when she was transferred to a hospital in Duluth where she was held for three days in a psychiatric ward while investigators assessed the truth of her claims.

'The room she was in was dark and cold … and they locked her in at night and all she had was a blanket,' nurse examiner Theresa Flesvig said.

It was not until later that she was medically examined for evidence of rape and staff found that she had been badly injured.

Ms Flesvig also said that Edgewood’s clinical services director Marilyn Moore asked Ms Flesvig: ‘Did she tell you that this was consensual? Did she tell you that she flirts with this boy mercilessly?’

Ms Flesvig said she was shocked that the blamed was being placed so blatantly on the victim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566452/Elderly-rape-victim-89-accused-flirt-making-story-attack-hands-nursing-home-employee-Andrew-Scott-Merzwski.html#ixzz32eyZDrN8
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:56 pm
@firefly,
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rape is about power and humiliation...that's very clear, particularly when men rape other men in prison


Says who? using a mans ass might be a very nice change from using their hand, it might be all about sex quality. You are making assertions without backing them up.

EDIT: this feminist effort to label all sexual consent violations male aggression is part of a wider anti-male agenda. In this particular case the aim is to get society to hit hard and to get individual women to turn men in for beatings. "it is all about power, not sex" as drunk young men root around for pussy as young men have always done, thinking about getting their rocks off not about hurting women...is a lie. And most people understand this. It is one of the major reasons why the feminists have not been able to hang as many men on University campuses as they expected or want, because the women have not complied and turned men in because they know the feminist position that rape is all about power is Bullshit. They have been close enough to men to know what men are about, even at this age, so politically motivated anti-male rhetoric that they know to be false gets ignored.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 01:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
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most cases of what we call sexual assault are about drunk young people getting mixed up when they probably both should have had better sense, or very young people doing their first sexual experimentations

No, the average young man is not accidently committing a sexual assault/rape, either while drunk or sober. You're not paying attention to facts which have been posted over and over in this thread, and which were cited in the very recent White House report on campus sexual assaults.

Most cases of sexual assault/rape, particularly of the kind you describe, are committed by a very small percentage of men (about 6--7%), who are serial predators, and who commit about 6 sexual assaults/rapes each. And they use, and rely on, alcohol as a tool to facilitate sexual assault/rape, and as an additional factor in having their victim discredited and disbelieved. Alcohol is the most widely used date-rape drug--if the predator doesn't actively encourage the drinking, he will target a vulnerable female at a party or bar who already appears to be drunk. In other words, a good deal of premeditation is behind these acts of sexual assault/rape.

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this feminist effort to label all sexual consent violations male aggression is part of a wider anti-male agenda.

No, our laws consider sexual assault/rape violations, as crimes.

That most of those crimes involve male perpetrators, does not mean they are part of a "wider anti-male agenda".

Most burglaries are also committed by men. Are you so paranoid you'd also consider all laws against burglary part of a "wider anti-male agenda"?

What brand of tin foil do you prefer?

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