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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 08:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your MO seems to be; if you can't blind them with science, then baffle them with bullshit.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:04 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Your MO seems to be; if you can't blind them with science, then baffle them with bullshit.



And yet I have facts, arguments, links, and a unified theory to tie it all together.

If you are looking for bullshit you will find what you seek at my opponents table.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:10 pm
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Brown University Faces Federal Complaint For Allowing Rapist Back On Campus
05/22/2014

A federal complaint filed Thursday against Brown University accuses the Ivy League school of violating the law by failing to expel a student the institution found had raped a fellow undergraduate.

Brown student Lena Sclove, who was raped and choked by a male acquaintance in August 2013, said she filed complaints accusing Brown of violating the Title IX gender equity law, and the Clery Act campus security law. The complaints will be reviewed by the U.S. Education Department, which may investigate and impose sanctions.

A university disciplinary hearing in October found Sclove's assailant guilty of four code of conduct charges, including sexual violence involving physical force and injury, according to documents provided to The Huffington Post. A disciplinary panel recommended a two-year suspension, which would have allowed Sclove to finish her studies without the assailant's presence on campus. J. Allen Ward, Brown's senior associate dean of student life, reduced the suspension to one year. But because the suspension counts the semester he was punished, the assailant will be allowed back on campus as early as August.

“Even after finding the respondent responsible for violent sexual misconduct charges, Brown failed to impose a real sanction or to take appropriate measures to ensure Lena’s safety and those of others on campus," said a statement from Carol Robles-Román, president and CEO of the nonprofit law firm Legal Momentum, which helped Sclove file the complaints. "By imposing a mere one-year suspension, the university minimized the respondent’s violent conduct and the serious injuries that he inflicted on Lena."

Sclove's complaints accuse Brown of violating Title IX by allowing the assailant to return to campus and not adequately training adjudicators. The complaints say Brown violated the Clery Act when school officials directed Sclove to "a health facility that was unequipped to preserve evidence of strangulation or assault, and failed to make clear that she could file both a student misconduct complaint and a criminal complaint."

The complaint says Sclove was "left with the understanding that she could pursue a Brown student misconduct complaint or file a criminal complaint, but not both." After learning she could file a criminal complaint with city police, Sclove did so in March.

"I was told the disciplinary process would be more humane," Sclove told HuffPost. "I believed them and then my parents and I put our faith in this process. I found out Brown believes that raping a person on campus does not merit the highest penalty."

Sclove took time off from school after discovering in December she had a spinal injury from the assault and was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. She appealed the university's ruling in the case of her assailant, but another dean upheld the punishment because it was "reasonably consistent with precedent in similar cases."

Sclove came forward about the school's handling of her case last month.

The university said the assailant has chosen not to return to Brown. Sclove declared she will not return until the school overhauls its policies.

Following publicity of Sclove's case, a group of Brown alumni launched a Gift for a Sexual Assault-Free Campus program to raise funds to support peer education and sensitivity training for university staff. Brown President Christina Paxson personally pledged $2,500 to the fund...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/22/title-ix-complaint-brown-university_n_5375735.html

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Builder
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I have facts, arguments, links, and a unified theory to tie it all together.


Just explain this "unified theory" for me. Is it peer-reviewed?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:33 pm
At least this rapist has now entered a guilty plea, and spared his 80 year old victim the additional ordeal of a trial.
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Modena man admits he raped elderly woman
05/13/14

KINGSTON -- A Modena man has pleaded guilty to breaking into the home of an 80-year-old woman and raping her last November, according to the Ulster County District Attorney's Office.

Brandon DeVaux, 28, pleaded guilty on Friday in Ulster County Court to rape in the first degree, a felony, according to a release from the Ulster County District Attorney Holley Carnright. His trial had been scheduled for June 2.

Police had responded to the woman's home just before 5 a.m. on Nov. 10, 2013 after receiving a 911 call from her home. She was taken to St. Luke's Hospital in Cornwall.

DeVaux was later arrested on Nov. 14 after an investigation by state police in Highland as well as forensic and major crime units.

At the time, police settled on DeVaux as a suspect as the result of interviews and physical evidence found at the scene, said state police Maj. Patrick Regan, Troop "F" commander. Palm prints found on the home's windows matched DeVaux's.

Regan said he believed the victim and DeVaux "knew of each other," but didn't think they were well-acquainted. Regan said the victim was sleeping but woke up when DeVaux broke in.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140513/NEWS/140519898
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:48 pm
@Builder,
Can I have a show of hands of women or men who have either been touched inappropriately, or more grievously assaulted. I remember my assault at the age of 8, and I also remember not telling my Dad because he would have killed the old man. As an 8 year old, I was worried my Dad would go to jail, I wasn't thinking about what the man did, I was more concerned about what might happen to my Dad. When my son was 8, he was humiliated/violated in an intimate fashion by his teacher. I had that asshole on the phone that night, he was fired. I wish I had been as trusting as my son. That creep may have been locked up and prevented from ever violating any other child. So for those assholes who think it's all a crybaby victim ploy, I hope you are reincarnated as a small child among a group of deviants who see you as new meat. Actually, I wouldn't want even those stupid guys to ever fall into the clutches of a deviant, but for Gods sake recognize the fact you wouldn't want your son or daughter used as amusement for a sick twisted pervert.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 09:55 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
Your MO seems to be; if you can't blind them with science, then baffle them with bullshit.


Yes, indeed as in the FBI reporting that reported cases of sexual assaults is at a 30 plus years low point at the same time that the DOJ is issuing grants for phony surveys to claims we are in the middle of a "rape" culture crisis on our campus that call for kararoo

Did someone ever try repeat try to kissed you against your wishes or have your boyfriend ever pressure you to have sex with him when you was not in the mood and on and on.

The vast majority of the women who are being listed as sexual assaults victims do not agree with that label and then the news media in reporting on those silly numbers imply that those so call sexual assaults are rapes!!!!!!!

Oh do not forget the 50 percents of all women who will be victims of domestic violence in their lifetimes such as having their husbands or boyfriends cursing at them or speaking without the proper respect to them.

Love what you can do if you are the one defining domestic violence or sexual assaults to get any number you care to get.

Talk about a war on women it look more like a war on men with special note of the young men who had not settle down yet with a partner they can trust.

Builder
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:03 pm
@glitterbag,
I helped a school friend to set up a non-profit org to help adult survivors of childhood rape, and it was actually during one of my research sessions that I recalled my own attack, when I was in my eleventh year. I'd buried those memories so successfully, it was as if I was reliving the horrors of that day all over again.

I was swimming off our local pier (jetty-jumping, we called it) with two friends, and these older guys attacked us, in broad daylight, in full view of bystanders. Hands all over us, slapping us around. They were ogres, compared to us skinny little surfy boys. I managed to climb over the rail, and onto the supporting concrete columns under the decking. One of the attackers grabbed me by the hair, and I wrenched myself free, jumping into the water. I was literally swimming for my life, parrallel with the beach. My friends had bolted, but it was clearly me these animals were after. I had long blonde hair, and a tanned taut body of an athlete.

These arseholes simply followed along on the beach, waiting for me to come ashore. I just kept on swimming north, hoping for a boat to see me. I ended up swimming sidestroke, about four kilometres, out to a reef marker bouy, and clung to it for a couple of hours or more. Eventually I flagged down a passing boat, and told my story.

So there you have it. The police took my statement, but nothing came of it. Still amazed that I'd buried that day so deeply in my psyche.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:06 pm
@glitterbag,
One of the most dangerous jobs in the US is providing child care but unlike coal mining or firefighting and so on it does not pay all that well.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Kern County child-abuse cases[edit]
Main article: Kern County child abuse cases
The Kern County child abuse case was the first prominent instance of accusations of ritualized sex abuse of children. In 1982 in Kern County, California, Debbie and Alvin McCuan were accused of abusing their own children. The initial charges were made by Mary Ann Barbour, the children's step-grandmother, who had a history of mental illness. Coercive interviewing techniques were used by the authorities to elicit disclosures of parental sexual abuse from the children. In 1982, the girls further accused McCuan's defense witnesses: Scott Kniffen, his wife Brenda, and his mother. Mary Ann Barbour reported that the children had been used for prostitution, used in child pornography, tortured, and made to watch snuff films. In 1984, each of the McCuans and the Kniffens was sentenced to over 240 years in prison. Their convictions were overturned in 1996.[3]

McMartin Preschool[edit]
Main article: McMartin preschool trial
The case started in August 1983 when Judy Johnson, the mother of a 2½-year-old boy reported to the police that her son was abused by Raymond Buckey at the McMartin Preschool in Manhattan Beach, California.[1] After seven years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990. As of 2006, it is the longest and most expensive criminal trial in the history of the United States.[1] The accusations involved hidden tunnels, killing animals, Satan worship, and orgies.[4] Judy Johnson was diagnosed with acute schizophrenia[5][6] and in 1986 was found dead in her home from complications of chronic alcoholism.[7] Buckey and his mother, Peggy McMartin, were eventually released without any charges. In 2005 one of the testifying children retracted his testimony and said he lied, to protect his younger siblings and to please his parents.[8][9]

In The Devil in the Nursery in 2001, Margaret Talbot for The New York Times summarized the case:

"When you once believed something that now strikes you as absurd, even unhinged, it can be almost impossible to summon that feeling of credulity again. Maybe that is why it is easier for most of us to forget, rather than to try and explain, the Satanic-abuse scare that gripped this country in the early 80s — the myth that Devil-worshipers had set up shop in our day-care centers, where their clever adepts were raping and sodomizing children, practicing ritual sacrifice, shedding their clothes, drinking blood and eating feces, all unnoticed by parents, neighbors and the authorities."[10]

The trial was the subject of Indictment: The McMartin Trial, a made for TV movie that originally aired on HBO on May 20, 1995, starring James Woods.

Country Walk[edit]
In 1985 Frank Fuster, the owner of the Country Walk Babysitting Service, in a suburb of Miami, Florida, was found guilty of 14 counts of abuse.[11] He was sentenced to a prison sentence with a minimum of 165 years. Fuster's victims testified that his "unspeakable acts" included leading them in Satanic rituals and terrorizing them by forcing them to watch him mutilate birds, a lesson to children who might reveal the abuse.[11] Fuster had been previously convicted for manslaughter and for fondling a 9-year-old child.[1] Testimony from children in the case was extracted by Laurie and Joseph Braga, a husband-and-wife team who resorted to coercive questioning of the alleged victims when the desired answers were not forthcoming.[12] The case was prosecuted by Dade County state's attorney Janet Reno.[13] As of 2014, Fuster continues to serve a 165-year prison sentence.[13][14]

Fells Acres Day Care Center[edit]
Main article: Fells Acres Day Care Center preschool trial
The incident began in 1984 when a 5-year-old boy told a family member that Gerald Amirault, administrator and handyman at the Fells Acres day care center, had touched his penis.[1] The boy's mother notified the authorities, and Gerald was arrested. The children told stories that included being abused by a clown and a robot in a secret room at the day care center. They told of watching animals being sacrificed, and one girl claimed Gerald had penetrated her anus with the twelve-inch (30 cm) blade of a knife (which left no injuries).

In the 1986 trial, Gerald was convicted of assaulting and raping nine children and sentenced to thirty to forty years in state prison; in a separate trial his mother, Violet Amirault, and sister, Cheryl Amirault LeFave, were convicted and sentenced to jail for eight to 20 years. He was released in 2004.[15]

In 1995, a critical series of articles in The Wall Street Journal by Dorothy Rabinowitz alleged that the convictions relied entirely on testimony from the children that had been coerced by dubious interrogation techniques, with no corroborating evidence.[16][17] The chief prosecutor of both of the Amirault cases responded to the articles with statements that "the children testified to being photographed and molested by acts that included penetration by objects" and "the implication … that the children's allegations of abuse were tainted by improper interviewing is groundless and not true."[18]

Bernard Baran[edit]
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:25 pm
@Builder,
It took me years to remember what happened to me at the age of 8. I think when I started to discuss health issue matters with my primary care doc, that incident came back to me. I suspect that she had a superior screening technique I just know why, But I could fill a book with the things that happened to me, before I met my husband. Honestly, I was the target of unwelcome advances even then. All I can say is, I may have been victimized occasionally after I married, but I was a lot smarter about keeping distance.

Builder, it was very brave of you to describe what happened to you. I don't think some of the sexual assault deny assholes, understand the fear one feels when your threatened like you were. Young men are also victims, not just pissy gals regretting a so-called consensual encounter. I think some 'men' think that every living creature with one or more area penetration spots is fair game. And yes, there are some sick females who are willing to sexually assault small girls and boys. There are a lot of sick puppies out there, everyone should be
aware of that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:34 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
It took me years to remember what happened to me at the age of 8. I think when I started to discuss health issue matters with my primary care doc, that incident came back to me. I suspect that she had a superior screening technique I just know why, But I could fill a book with the things that happened to me, before I met my husband


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Therapy-Induced_Memory_Recovery

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:34 pm
The first thing that the government would do if it wanted to end the injustice against men would be to cancel the Violence Against Women Act, and run the funding for sexual regulation through some new mechanism, one that was not started by the feminists and that does not have a long history of being proudly hostile towards men. It is symbolic sure, but lets start with the basics shall we? How hard can this be to get done and why in the hell after all these years has it not been done?

It will never happen so long as the feminists keep their iron grip on the control of the nations sex policy. They are damn proud of the VAWA, and they have no intention of letting it go.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:41 pm
@BillRM,
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Oh do not forget the 50 percents of all women who will be victims of domestic violence in their lifetimes such as having their husbands or boyfriends cursing at them or speaking without the proper respect to them.

When your first wife obtained a restraining order against you, for domestic violence, a charge you never contested in court, I'm sure it was for actions considerably more serious than your cursing at her.

And, when you were kicked out of a park, because other adults didn't like the way you were using kittens to lure children into engaging with you, you claimed their concerns were absurd, and you were being victimized because you were male, and not for the way you were acting.

You seem to have a penchant for trying to minimize the sorts of unsavory acts/crimes you've been accused of, or suspected of, and your obsessional harping on "false allegations" seems more than slightly self-serving.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
How in the world do we picked out and deal with real cases of sexual abuse/rape or sexual child abuse for that matter through all the worthless noise that the feminists are producing concerning the subject?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 10:59 pm
@glitterbag,
Oh God, glitter, now moron BillRM is suggesting you have false memories.

This isn't the first time his response has been insulting to sexual assault/rape survivors who have posted about their experiences in this thread. He's done this before, several times. He is an absolute pig,

I appreciate what you and Builder have just shared here, and how upsetting it must be to recall such traumas. It's only by listening to such experiences that other people can really understand their impact. I think that's probably why the actress Pamela Anderson also recently revealed her own experience of childhood molestations and rape. When people talk about these things, it makes it much harder for those who keep trying to deny the problem, and who keep trying to discredit those who report sexual assaults. These sorts of occurrences are, unfortunately, all too real, and all too frequent.
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Builder
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 11:02 pm
@glitterbag,
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There are a lot of sick puppies out there, everyone should be
aware of that.


The current statistics are one in four girls, and one in six boys, will be victims of sexual assault. I was so depressed reading the various researcher's grim details, and the gov't's denial of the lifelong impacts on adults.

glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 11:11 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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It took me years to remember what happened to me at the age of 8. I think when I started to discuss health issue matters with my primary care doc, that incident came back to me. I suspect that she had a superior screening technique I just know why, But I could fill a book with the things that happened to me, before I met my husband


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Therapy-Induced_Memory_Recovery




Hey, Asshat, I didn't talk to her about the abuse, it was her method that made me remember. She still doesn't know, and I don't know anything about her other than she loves her husband and her children. I mentioned to her in the past about the sick shits I meet on-line, she told me its nuts to engage. She's right of course, but if you want to believe that I have imaginary memories, I could describe the serious assaults and the less serious assaults, but something tells me you are jerking yourself off reading any story of abuse. Glad I was able to be charitable to a sick f$&k like you.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 11:15 pm
@Builder,
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The current statistics are one in four girls, and one in six boys will be victims of sexual assault


BULLSHIT and it bullshit on it face before even looking into how they define sexual assaults or how they did their surveys.

Hell I guess I could declare myself a victim of sexual abused when as a young child a neighbor girl by the name of Peggy got me to play doctor with her in her parent garage.

As I said before it all in how you define your terms..............

glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 11:25 pm
@Builder,
Hi builder, I don't know if you have met our resident sleaze balls, but they call themselves Hawkeye and BillRM, I suspect that they are currently serving time somewhere and managed to get access to a computer. I suspect that they are on a sexual predator list, lets hope they transfer their status to anyplace they may relocate. Really, I think it's the least they can do to give parents a heads up, some folks are determined to protect their children, AND put creeps like them back in solitary. Rapists and Child Molesters need to hide in prison and not call attention to their sick MO. even murderers look down on rapists and kiddy molesters, they don't last long, and sometimes they are not alive when their sentence is completed. I would call that hard cheese.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 11:35 pm
This seems to be supporting your position Hawkeye.

Footnote I had an old girlfriend in Florida many years ago where when she had called the police the results was that both she and her then husband ended up behind bars.

It does not take too many such duel arrests for the word to get out that calling the police is not a good idea no matter how bad the situation happen to be.

Not to mention what amount to a force de facto divorce by way of no contact orders being issue many times against the wishes of both parties.


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http://ssrcdepaul.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/dv-mandatory-arrest/

Years ago when I was living in Boulder, Colorado, I volunteered as a legal advocate with the Safehouse Progressive Alliance for Nonviolence (SPAN) and learned about catastrophic cases of domestic violence. As part of my training to become a legal advocate, I became familiar with the federal and state-specific legislation covering domestic violence. Colorado is one of 22 states that apply mandatory or preferred arrest in cases of domestic violence. When they enacted the mandatory arrest law in 1994, legislation fostered by the federal Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), policymakers had the best of intentions to protect former and potential victims from repeated intimate partner violence.

Mandatory arrest laws were enacted to protect women from experiences like that of Tracey Thurman, a Connecticut woman who was left for dead in the driveway by her husband who had beaten and stabbed her multiple times in 1984. Against all odds, Tracey not only survived her husband’s attack, but successfully sued the City of Torrington, Connecticut for failing to protect her after she had repeatedly reported her husband’s violent episodes to authorities. Unsurprisingly, after Thurman’s case, domestic violence advocates nationwide pushed legislators to pass mandatory and pro-arrest laws that transfer the decision to press charges from women to law enforcement officers.

However, empirical evidence in the last decade has caused some researchers and practitioners to raise their eyebrows. Before mandatory arrest laws became popular, police had full discretion in calling the shots with regard to domestic violence incidence. The implementation of the mandatory arrest laws in the 1990s removed law enforcement’s discretion, directing police officers to arrest the identified perpetrator or in some cases, perpetrators. But, has the legal pendulum swung so far that it is time to reevaluate the statutes? Are mandatory arrest laws effective or, by implementing them, do we create more harm for victims because police are ineffectively trained to enforce the laws and knowing this, victims become too scared to call the police when they have experienced domestic violence?

Former Harvard researcher Radha Iyengar tracked homicide rates in states with mandatory arrest laws compared to states without such laws. Iyengar’s findings revealed that in the 22 states that mandate arrest, homicides have increased by 50%, while in states that employ police discretion, homicides have actually declined. Iyengar attributes the increase in homicide rates to the reluctance by victims of abuse to put their partners behind bars. The fear of seeing their partners go to jail has in fact led victims to contact police less frequently than in previous years. Iyengar notes:

The mandatory arrest laws were intended to impose a cost on abusers. But because of psychological, emotional, and financial ties that often keep victims loyal to their abusers, the cost of arrest is easily transferred from abusers to victims. Victims want protection, but they do not always want to see their partners be put behind bars.

Victims of intimate partner violence want their voices to be heard. But it appears that mandatory arrest laws, however well-intentioned, may instead be silencing victims and, more distressing still, triggering retaliatory violence.

One of the most significant consequences of mandatory arrest laws has been the subsequent rise of dual arrests when police respond to a domestic violence call. A 2008 publication produced by the National Institute of Justice commented that not only were “arrest rates in intimate partner cases 97% higher in states with mandatory arrest laws, compared to states with discretionary arrest laws,” but also, “mandatory, but not preferred, arrest laws increased the likelihood that police would arrest both parties”. Similarly, Iyengar’s research finds that victims avoid calling the police out of fear that they will be arrested for acting in self-defense. She also notes the possibility of dual arrest most concerns victims with children at home.

The National Institute of Justice report revealed that dual arrest is more likely in domestic violence cases where the victim is unclear. This was particularly true in incidents involving simple rather than aggravated assault. In aggravated assault situations, the increased physical violence and evidence help police more clearly distinguish between perpetrators and victims. In same-sex cases, dual arrest rates were ten times the rate observed in incidents between female victims and male offenders. Police officers in mandatory arrest law states may not be properly trained to address same-sex domestic violence, leading to an increase in dual arrests.

Research in recent decades supports greater discretion in police intervention in domestic violence cases. The enactment of mandatory and preferred arrest laws in the 1980s and 1990s was meant to provide increased support for victims. Both decades witnessed a rise in the number of fatal domestic violence incidents, prompting legislators and victim advocates to utilize these tragic cases as a platform to promote punitive reform in domestic violence laws. There is little doubt that these laws were developed with the victim in mind. However, contemporary research questions the capacity of mandatory arrest laws to provide victims with the protection that legislators and victim advocates had expected.

Mandatory arrest laws may have once seemed necessary to draw attention to the growing domestic violence problem in the United States. However, in recent years, it has become clear that these laws have failed not only to provide victims with greater protection but led to more victim arrests by police unable to make discretionary decisions based on probable cause. As it stands, states with mandatory arrest laws may not be appropriately equipped to deal with domestic violence until they understand the intricacies of the legislation and work to promote victims’ rights and eliminate gender inequality embedded within law enforcement’s patriarchal nature. Until then, the unintended consequences of the laws may be outweighing the anticipated benefits. The available research offers evidence to promote a middle ground approach between “discretionary” and “mandatory” arrest.

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