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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:45 pm
@BillRM,
Universities have been put in a jam....if they give in to the feminist/government cooperative men are not going to want to subject themselves to the abuse by matriculating to their institution. And they already have big problems getting qualified men, because boys have been thoroughly fucked over by the "education" system which is constantly looking for ways to further advantage the girls.

I am a smart fella, but I dont see how they solve this problem. The Feminists have not been told no in a very long time.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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More importantly, do they have the ability to see through the feminist clap-trap? Of course not, which is why every male who goes before it will be doomed. There will be no interest in justice, that is universal justice, they will be seeking the misnamed "justice for the victim".....who is in actual fact the alleged victim.

Stop with the phantom "feminists" already. You're using the term so indiscriminately and inaccurately it's meaningless. Everyone from the White House down is involved in this, including a great many men, and you've already decided "every male who goes before it will be doomed". You seem to have a crystal ball that's only tuned to predict one scenario. Every man who was reported, and involved with a campus investigation before, wasn't "doomed", so why would you think that would happen now, when they intended to improve due process for those who are reported?

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The entire scheme is rigged to **** over men.

The entire scheme has been necessitated because some men f---k over women, or other men, without their consent.

That's illegal, remember?

The alternative is simply to turn the matter over to law enforcement, when a report of sexual assault/rape is made, and let them handle the process.

Would you rather see the police handle it? Or at what point should the police get involved?

Are you interested in addressing the actual issue of campus sexual assault/rape at all?

Or are you just interested in throwing a big pity party for all men and bemoaning their victimization? For someone who claims to abhor the victim culture, you sure are doing your damnedest to keep it going. You do nothing but promote men as victims. According to you, everyone is "anti-male"--the entire culture. Laughing
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:06 am
@firefly,
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The alternative is simply to turn the matter over to law enforcement, when a report of sexual assault/rape is made, and let them handle the process.


considering that they actually need evidence that would still be better than this, as fucked as the " justice" system currently is. Throw the guy off campus and what does he have, probably debt for credits that he may or may not be able to transfer, if he could find a school to take him, and none of this requires evidence or due process ( and lets be clear that putting guys in front of a kangaroo court of feminist sycophants, the majority other idiot university students, is not due process) . This is going to at least massively disrupt lives on an allegation of wrong doing only.

This is not what America is about.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:13 am
@BillRM,
Duh, BillRM, that article is over 13 years old. A lot has been changing on campuses since then--a lot.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:35 am
@hawkeye10,
You're just posturing and blowing hot air. Without sufficient knowledge of exactly how they will go about investigating, and improving fairness, for both the accuser and the accused, you've already decided it's not going to work, it's going to be controlled by "feminist sycophants" and a "kangaroo court" it won't involve real evidence, all men will be doomed, etc., etc., etc..
Whine, whine, whine.
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This is going to at least massively disrupt lives on an allegation of wrong doing only.

Well, they have to start with an allegation, where else should they start? The police start with an allegation too.

You seem not to consider, at all, the fact that being sexually assaulted/raped also "massively disrupts lives."

Good thing that actual thinking people, in the real world, are involved in tackling, and trying to actually improve, the situation regarding sexual assaults/rapes on campuses, and how these are handled, and not clowns like you.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:35 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye my reaction is what the hell are universities doing, even given the demands of the federal government to do so, in setting up a separate system to deal with charges of serious crimes?

The only reason that come to my mind is to find a means to punish men who there is a lack of evidence to convict under the standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and with all the normal constitution and due process protections of a state court system.

Rapes and assaults charges should be just given to the local police and court systems to deal with and if and when someone is found guilty under that system of a crime/misdeed then no one is likely to have a problem with the universities taking their own actions.

That way you do not have such silly situations as the police charging the accuser of lying to them and while she is on the run from those charges the university somehow finding the man guilt of her charges under their own independent system.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:50 am
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye my reaction is what the hell are universities doing, even given the demands of the federal government to do so, in setting up a separate system to deal with charges of serious crimes?


University Admins know what is coming, the feminist/government cooperative is pissed that they have not been better able to roll the universities, so they are going for more leverage. Up till now the threat for not doing as told has been a cut off of federal funds, that includes all forms to include student aid, even government backed loans. But that is the nuclear option, as to do that would close the university, and no one thus far has been willing to do that to get the feminists what they want here and the universities know is so they have been dragging their feet (because they dont want to scare away all the prospective male students) . So now the feminists/government are going to figure out a way to rewrite the laws so that they slice the university deep but not kill it (think the NCAA sanctions on Penn St) by cutting off only a portion of the funds.

It will take some time to get ur done, but they will get it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:55 am
@BillRM,
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The only reason that come to my mind is to find a means to punish men who there is a lack of evidence to convict under the standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt


Have you not been paying attention? That burden of proof takes too long and does not get enough convictions, so we need a new standard, the feminists told us that years ago. We are all about the results now in America, put in what ever process is needed to get the desired results and go baby! The end result here must be the women run the relationships with their men, and men who refuse to comply get beaten.

Constitutional rights you say? Just a speed bump, the government is well into the habit of ignoring that particular promise to us citizens.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 01:32 am
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May 18, 2014
Pamela Anderson: I am a survivor of rape

In a jaw-dropping speech delivered at the launch of her charity for animal welfare, Pamela Anderson revealed on Friday that she is a victim of sexual abuse and rape.

The Guardian reports that the former “Baywatch” actress, who held a backgammon competition and fundraising event at the Cannes Film Festival, opened up about the memories to share the reason animals are so important to her. “I feel now might be the time to reveal a few of my most painful memories,” she began her speech. “At the risk of over-exposing myself, again, or being inappropriate, again, I thought I might share with you why I am doing this.”

“I did not have an easy childhood. Despite loving parents, I was molested from age six by a female babysitter,” she revealed.

“I went to a friend’s boyfriend’s house and his older brother decided to teach me backgammon which led into a back massage, which led into rape. My first heterosexual experience,” she said. “He was 25 years old and I was 12.”

The horrifying account of sexual abuse and rape did not end there. In high school, her boyfriend at the the time
“decided it would be funny to gang-rape me with six friends.”

“I wanted off this earth,” said the 46 year old.

“This meant I had a hard time trusting humans,” she explained. “My parents tried to keep me safe, but to me the world was not a safe place. My dad was an alcoholic, my mum worked two jobs, my mum was always crying, dad didn’t always come home.”

Ultimately, her feelings for animals and nature is what saved her. “The trees spoke to me. My loyalty was with the animal kingdom and I vowed to protect them and only them,” she said. “I prayed to the whales with my feet in the ocean, my only real friends until I had children.”

The Pamela Anderson Foundation’s mission is to support “organizations and individuals on the front lines protecting the environment, animal rights and human rights.”
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/18/pamela_anderson_i_am_a_survivor_of_rape/
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 02:41 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Stop with the phantom "feminists" already. You're using the term so indiscriminately and inaccurately it's meaningless.


Exactly, most people are of the opinion that since the 1970s feminism has taken a bit of a nose dive, lots of young women are wary of being labelled feminist because of negative associations of radicals like Andrea Dworkin. Most top jobs are stilled filled by men, and women's wages still trail behind men's.

All this nonsense about feminists taking over is paranoid claptrap.
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 02:58 am
Weird. She finds parallels in rape culture hysteria to the McMartin case.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 04:52 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry Izzy but federal $$$$$ are flowing to the feminists and all major universities have what is known as women studies departments and of course you get $$$$ flowing to them to set up anti male kangaroo courts and the universities are under the threat if they do not go along with such nonsense they will loss massive amount of federal fundings.

You get so call claims of a rape culture at the time where reported rapes are at a many decades low in the US.

There are Federal DOJ grants going to women studies departments that produce claims of twenty percents of college women are sexual assaulted during their college careers and that something like half of all women in their lifetimes will be victims of domestic violence by their evil male partners.

To get those numbers they was forced to consider even an attempted undesired kiss as a sexual assault and a partner during a fight using swear words as a domestic violence event.

You have women who ended up shocked and annoyed that after taking part in such surveys that they was consider victims of such crimes.

When the poor Duke players was falsely charge with raping the dancer/hooker it was Duke women study department that let the charge against those young men where 88 full professors released a letter attacking some of Duke own students that had not been proven and did not in fact do anything wrong,

In looking at the list of professors that signed that shameful letter not one professor from the hard science, engineering or legal schools had taken part in that letter,

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 05:04 am
@BillRM,
Paranoid bullshit that only you and Hawkeye are daft enough to believe. The rest of us have more sense.

You supported convicted paedophile Max Clifford. Everything you claim is tainted.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 05:38 am
@izzythepush,
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Paranoid bullshit that only you and Hawkeye are daft enough to believe. The rest of us have more sense.

You supported convicted paedophile Max Clifford. Everything you claim is tainted.


Too bad for you that everything I stated can be found and confirm online with short google searches.

Oh and once more correction a pedophile is define as someone who is sexually interested in children before repeat before puberty so Clifford was not a pedophile even if he was guilty of the charges that was many many decades old when they was brought against him.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 08:03 am
@BillRM,
Clifford is a convicted paedophile. Don't try to ameliorate what he did.

It is paranoid nonsense. You take a few isolated examples and try to claim it's a general trend. It's hardly scientific. Using your "logic" you could claim that one person getting their prayers answered is proof of the existence of God.

Again, only you and Hawkeye are daft enough to believe such crap.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 08:27 am
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College rape tribunals fail students: Our view
The Editorial Board,
May 6, 2014

Colleges and universities need to face the facts about sexual assault," Vice President Biden said last week, introducing the administration's latest plans to combat sexual assault on campus.

That's for sure.

Research cited by the vice president shows that as many as one in five women on campus will be sexually assaulted before they graduate. Think about that number. If accurate, it means college women will suffer 2.4 million sexual assaults every four years.

A problem of that scale will not be solved by the sort of tinkering that colleges typically apply. It requires treating rape as a crime, not as a violation of campus rules.

The strongest punishment schools can deliver is to expel a rapist from campus. That's an appropriate punishment for cheating on a physics final, not for a felony on par with murder and armed robbery. Campus judicial systems aren't designed to address that sort of offense.

So they are failing. The Department of Education is investigating 55 schools on possible violations of female students' civil rights by mishandling sexual assault cases. Schools are accused of pushing victims not to report their crimes to police, dragging cases on for months without resolution and failing to investigate serious allegations.

When the system fails, college rapists are free to strike again. According to research cited by the White House, the vast majority of campus sexual assaults are carried out by serial predators. The typical college rapist has six victims. But even when sexual assault investigations succeed, correctly identifying the perpetrator and delivering the maximum sentence, the result is the same. College rapists are free to strike again. They'll just have to choose from a different set of potential victims.

Reform efforts don't change this simple fact, nor do they succeed in changing the other core problems with what passes for justice on campuses.

A system run by university employees will always face the temptation to put the school's interest above the interest of victims. Similar ethical conflicts in the military have led activists to demand that sexual assault cases be removed from the jurisdiction of base commanders and their subordinates.

Federal law compounds the rape problem by inviting secrecy. Schools can't make convictions public. When a rapist applies to another school, admissions officers have no database to check.

As bad as schools are at providing justice for rape victims, they might be worse at protecting the rights of the accused.

Across the country, accused students don't have the right to see all the evidence against them, and administrators can find a student guilty based on low levels of proof, rather than "clear and convincing evidence." Protecting the accused is no small matter when 2% to 10% of rape accusations are found to be false and many more are riddled with uncertainty.

Until colleges and local government find a way to bring the full power of criminal courts to bear on sexual assault among students, campus courts will remain second-class justice for both rape victims and those who are accused.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/05/06/sexual-assault-college-rape-tribunal-editorials-debates/8786197/
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 08:34 am
@izzythepush,
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Clifford is a convicted paedophile. Don't try to ameliorate what he did.


I would be interest in seeing the written verdict as somehow I would bet a large large amount of dollars that the words in the legal paperwork does no contain the word pedophile.

As the crimes he was convicted of deal sex with underage persons but not children so young that they was not sexually mature.

Having sex with a mid teen person is against the laws in most cases but it is not repeat it is not an act having anything to do with being a pedophile.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 09:04 am
@BillRM,
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federal $$$$$ are flowing to the feminists and all major universities have what is known as women studies departments

Since you apparently oppose "feminists", are you saying you don't support equal rights and opportunities for women?

fem·i·nism
noun

: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities

: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests

Since women are overwhelmingly the victims of campus sexual assaults/rapes, why isn't this a legitimate area in which "feminists" should be involved, in support of women's rights and interests?

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 10:40 am
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One example? “We can’t even agree on the definition of consent,” she said. Legal definitions of rape and consent vary from state to state; some require force be used to qualify as rape, while others fail to recognize intoxication as preventing the ability to give consent.
Using models and incentives could lead to more uniform statutes among states, McCaskill said. “Then we could compare apples to apples” when looking at crime statistics of different campuses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/05/20/mccaskills-first-roundtable-on-campus-sexual-assault-looks-at-clery-act/

Washington knows how to fix this, as we saw with drunk driving laws...."you are in charge, but do what we say or we will stop sending money". Works every time.

Where are the R's? They used to care about Washington running over states rights.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 11:43 am
@BillRM,
You really are sick, quibbling over slight details. Just because he abused 12 yr olds instead of 11 yr olds doesn't make it right.

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I would be interest in seeing the written verdict


I'm sure you would, you'd love reading all the lurid details. It's pretty clear what you are.
 

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