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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 05:52 am
@izzythepush,
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Btw, instead of moaning about British laws and carping on about cases that go back to 1987 you should look closer to home.


As a matter of fact I know that I have cover such silliness on this website a few years ago.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 05:54 am
@BillRM,
Sure you have.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 05:57 am
@izzythepush,
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Bullshit, you've not got an altruistic bone in your body.


I would be far far wealthy then I am if that was true with special note of vet bills from aiding stay cats.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 05:58 am
@izzythepush,
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Sure you have


Well at least you are right for once as I did indeed comment on that silliness on this website.

An interest subject with one federal district court ruling that the law is illegal and another court ruling the other way and both district courts covering parts of Texas.

So in one area of Texas it is legal to sell such toys and in other areas you can be arrested for doing so.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 06:31 am
@BillRM,
Does anyone remember that sex toy thread name?

Damn google does not do a good job in indexing this site for some reason.

I would love to find some of my postings on that subject and jam them down izzy throat in a non-sexual manner.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 06:50 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Damn google does not do a good job in indexing this site for some reason.


That's because google only finds things that actually exist.
BillRM wrote:
I would love to find some of my postings on that subject and jam them down izzy throat in a non-sexual manner.
Try it, and you'll be sorry. Remember I've seen pictures of you, and you're a wimp.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:19 am
@izzythepush,
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Remember I've seen pictures of you, and you're a wimp.


Oh since when have I posted a manly picture of myself for your sexual enjoyment?

Some of my cats but not of myself.........

Hmm did I posted a picture of myself sky diving in my younger days?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 10:50 am
@BillRM,
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Decades after the fact I still feel very bad about not helping out a mentally retarded young lady when she came up to me on a train platform and ask me to walk her to some near by location that she was not able to find for herself.

My fear of the risk of being alone with or even in the company of such a young lady overcame my desire to aid her and made sure she got where she was going in safety.

Firefly and her like won that round when I acted as if being male I should therefore be consider a possible sexual predator instead of just a person aiding a fellow human being in need.

You know, you really should consider not recounting anecdotes about yourself from your past. They do reveal things about you, and people then draw conclusions about you that you don't like.

I assume the "young lady" had Down syndrome, otherwise I don't know how you would know she was developmentally delayed by just looking at her. And I have a feeling that the "young lady" was more a child than an adult, and that was part of your fear of being seen with her.

And your fear that, if you escorted her to her destination, by just walking with her in public, you might be "consider a possible sexual predator instead of just a person aiding a fellow human being in need" is your own paranoia, don't blame me, or society, for that.

A man seen in public, walking with a female child, or "young lady" wouldn't arouse suspicions of anything. She could be your child, or a relative, or a friend, etc. That you were so paranoid about being "consider a possible sexual predator" raises questions about you. Were you on probation for a sexual offense, and ordered to stay away from children or "young ladies"? Was your reputation already unsavory?

Or, are you so paranoid, and mistrustful of females, that you thought she'd make a false sexual allegation against you?

Do you think all men have a "fear of the risk of being alone with or even in the company of such a young lady" when it comes to walking a short distance in public with a young female who has asked for assistance? You are just paranoid. And I think it's because you knew people might have reason to be suspicious of you, based on your own reputation, or something else specific to you.

And this incident apparently occurred decades before you were asked to leave a park because the other adults were alarmed about the way you were using kittens to get children to interact with you. And, in that situation as well, it wasn't simply that you were male, it was the fact that you were doing something to intentionally engage children to interact with a stranger--it was your behavior that others found inappropriate. You invite, and provoke, other people's suspicions, it's not just because you are male.

If you arouse suspicions of being "a possible sexual predator" it's because of something about you that's not just gender related. And, if you constantly walk around with "a fear of the risk" of being seen that way, despite no improprieties on your part, that's your own paranoia, not something you're burdened with just because you're male. All men are not constantly regarded as being "a possible sexual predator", that sounds like your rationalization for the way people regard you. And, in your particular case, they may have good reason to regard you that way.





hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:00 am
@firefly,
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Do you think all men have a "fear of the risk of being alone with or even in the company of such a young lady" when it comes to walking a short distance in public with a young female who has asked for assistance? You are just paranoid

Not necessarily, I often read younger men saying that they dont go up to talk to young women because they fear being judged a " creeper". I am not so sure that they are just paranoid.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:33 am
@hawkeye10,
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Not necessarily, I often read younger men saying that they dont go up to talk to young women because they fear being judged a " creeper". I am not so sure that they are just paranoid.

That's not the sort of situation BillRM described, or that I was responding to. In that instance, a developmentally delayed "young lady" asked him to assist her, by simply walking with her, in public, to a close-by destination. And he feared doing that, and declined to do it, because it would risk his fear of being considered a "possible sexual predator".

And most young men are not worried about being considered "a possible sexual predator" if they just talk to another woman. Notice, BillRM uses the word "predator"--"sexual predator"

sexual predator
noun
: a person who has committed a sexually violent offense and especially one who is likely to commit more sexual offenses

BillRM's fears of accusations of being considered a "sexual predator" are beyond the norm for any man I've ever known. His absolute obsession with the issue of "false allegations" is as well. Taken together, they sound like he was either charged with being a sexual offender, or he was accused of being one, or he has violated sexual assault laws without being caught or accused, and he knows he was just damn lucky to have gotten away with it. So, he now tries to discredit all accusations made against other men, with his mantra of "false accusations", or trying to recast the accusations as simply "after the facts regret" on the part of women, as his way of protecting other men, and helping them to get away with it too, by discrediting the accusers.

But you're pretty paranoid too, Hawkeye. Your paranoia just centers on the "feminist-government conspiracy" you think is out to get men. But that also has its roots in your personal concerns about threats to your BDSM sexual lifestyle.

Neither you nor BillRM seem to feel that sexual assault/rape is a particularly pressing or urgent issue, or that it's a crime for which we do need laws for the protection of everyone, and not just females. These laws are not "anti-male" or "anti-sex" as you try to contend, they are to prevent unwanted sexual contacts, or such contacts without consent, just as burglary laws are to prevent the unwanted taking of your property, without your consent. And sexual assault/rape is hardly just a "feminist" issue, or even a "woman's issue"--it's a societal issue, that needs to be addressed by everyone, because it affects everyone.



glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 12:44 pm
I swore I would never visit this creep fest again, but I saw BillRM cockamamie excuse for not helping this young lady. Did it ever occur to Bill that his adult presence assisting this young woman might have spared her the agony of being preyed on by an actual predator? She could have been raped by a cretin posing as a helper then BOOM, another innocent man stuck in jail for something he thought was alright to do. So allow me to sum up, men are always punished for consensual sex, but decent men don't feel the need to assist a female who could become a victim of imaginary forced sex". I think that captures the essence of Hawkeye and Bill's notion of correct behaviour. Little girls are on their own. So it really isn't so much being a rape enabler, it's more about cowards. tsk tsk tsk, shame on you, you creepy wussies
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 12:56 pm
@firefly,
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Neither you nor BillRM seem to feel that sexual assault/rape is a particularly pressing or urgent issue,


I am sorry that I have not been more clear: this storyline that women are routinely being sexually abused by men is a fantasy sold for political gain. Most of what we call sexual assault is in fact confused consent, almost always with the young, who have usually been drinking, and it is fully the result of bad parenting. This is not a story about how men suck, though the feminists have made it such because it suits their agenda. This is a story about how young people have not been taught how to act, both men and women, and so they go out and mess around often ending in hurt feelings.

Actual rape-rape is more rare than it has been in several generations, and there is no indication that it is going to get worse or that it is a pressing problem.

I am happy to clear up what I believe. If you have any other confusion be sure to let me know.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Firefly and her likes have done their best to have all men be view with suspicious and men will reacted to try not to placed themselves into such situations as annoying as that might be.

Public claims that some "survey" had indicate that 35 percents of all college men would be rapists if they was of the opinion that they could get away with it and rigging surveys by defining even trying to kiss a woman where it turn out not to be welcome being a sexual assault so they can get the crazy numbers that 20 percents of all college women had been victims of a sexual assaults during their four years college careers.

Oh and then after defining sexual assaults so broadly used the term sexual assaults and rape interchangeable.

Having the federal government forcing the setting up of kangaroo courts by the universities where even when the police charge,in one case, the accuser with lying to them and the accuser then run away still kicked the accused man out of college.

My reaction is why it is or should be the duty of universities to run a parallel justice system instead of just allowing the police and the courts to deal with such complains where both the accuser and the accuse having legal rights.

When my three grandsons reach the middle teen years I am going to warn them of the dangers they will be facing for the crime of being male.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:10 pm
@glitterbag,
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Did it ever occur to Bill that his adult presence assisting this young woman might have spared her the agony of being preyed on by an actual predator?


You are damn right that possibility did occur to me and that why to this day I feel bad over not aiding her but I would sadly likely do the same thing again as who need to run those kinds of risks given how all men are now being view.

If it had been a male with similar problems I would had aid him but not a female under the current society.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:11 pm
@BillRM,
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they can get the crazy numbers that 20 percents of all college women had been victims of a sexual assaults during their four years college careers.

I recently saw a claim that has bumped the number up to 25%, but they had to add in sexually abusive conversation to get there. If one needs to make more victims all one needs to do is change the definition, as we have talked about. But that is where we are today, if a male presses " to hard" to enter into sexual union with a female then is is guilty of sexual assault. I am waiting for the feminists to tell me that using the " male gaze" makes me guilty, and believe me I know that day is coming!
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Actual rape-rape is more rare than it has been in several generations, and there is no indication that it is going to get worse or that it is a pressing problem.


At least it is as low as it had been for over three decades.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:27 pm
@firefly,
I felt the hairs stand up on my neck , got goosebumps, then a dark feeling cowardly creeps were afoot. Just logged in and see there are 5 posts from "user ignored", that explains the bitter taste in my mouth.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:28 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Actual rape-rape is more rare than it has been in several generations, and there is no indication that it is going to get worse or that it is a pressing problem.


At least it is as low as it had been for over three decades.


My current theory is that rape became a problem in the late 60's. The free love hippies had a policy that sex could not be withheld, that the girls had to have sex when the guys wanted it. The girls mostly went along with the scheme so it is hard to call that rape, the girls were always free to leave if they did not like the conditions of staying, but as the hippy movement died out and the men were used to having their way with women the sex quickly became rape. The feminists of the era jumped onto the rape problem and it was quickly tamped down, by the early 80's I did not see much indication that it was still a problem. " rape culture" was a blip, one that passed a long time ago. Perpetuating it has been very profitable for the feminists, and they are not about to let one of their best tools go without a fight.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
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, but they had to add in sexually abusive conversation to get there.


They have added such things as if you get into a verbal fight with your partner and used swear words you are guilty of domestic violence, in order to pump up the numbers for domestic violence also.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 01:44 pm
@BillRM,
I have long been amused by the definition of domestic violence including the claim that the "abuser" blocked the " victims" path to the exit. No touching or threat of force is needed, natch. Going around is too much work to be expected from one of those victims I suppose.
 

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