Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Lash,

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I have to say immediately that I think that BDSM behavior can easily be linked to sexual contact and sexual abuse issues

The law treats them separately. Sexual assault/sexual abuse/rape are narrowly defined behaviors under the law--they don't include other behaviors that go along with sexual arousal or "erotic life"--they are very specific forms of explicit sexual contact that are considered illegal.

You could link BDSM behavior to domestic abuse also. BDSM behaviors can be linked to power and humiliation issues/needs as well. It could even be linked to the spanking of children. BDSM issues could be linked to many things that don't specifically have anything to do with sexual assault laws or the topic of this thread.

The whole issue of physical violence, the infliction of physical pain, etc., is quite apart from sexual assault which is why the law regards it differently.

If someone is beaten during a rape, for instance, separate charges of physical battery will be lodged in addition to the rape charge. The law separates these issues.

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@firefly,

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The whole issue of physical violence, the infliction of physical pain, etc., is quite apart from sexual assault which is why the law regards it differently.

the government removing from us the right to consent is the compelling act, it matters little to me whether the government calls all such obliterations of our individual rights rape, or something else.

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@hawkeye10,

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You see this too in the demand that we cant be sexual after drinking or doing drugs. If they get away with this next up will be forbidding us from being sexual if we are not in our " right mind", what ever they determine that to be.

A lawyer wouldn't let you sign your Last Will and Testament, and consider it valid, if you were in those states either, because there would be legitimate concerns of whether you knew what you were consenting to, regarding distribution of your assets, in that document. A court might also regard any contract you signed, while in an impaired state, as invalid.

In the case of sexual assault laws, the requirement of consent is obviously to prevent unwanted sexual contacts, and someone who is intoxicated by drugs or alcohol, or impaired by cognitive deficits, or emotional disturbance, or mental illness, may not be fully aware enough to understand what's going on, or to consider consequences, or to give knowing consent, or even to offer resistance. The purpose of the law is to stop you from having sexual contact with individuals in such a state, it is not to stop them from consenting, it is to stop you from sexually exploiting them and sexually assaulting them.

No one is telling you that you can't engage in sexual contact with another adult, who is fully aware and alert, cognitively unimpaired, and freely and willingly consents to the sexual contact activities you wish to engage in.

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@firefly,

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Laws are meant to mandate conformity to certain standards of behavior a society agrees upon. That's their purpose.

that is very interesting because we see a big push to make having sex after drinking a newly criminal act (for men), but I have never met a single person who agrees that it should be a requirement that we be stone sober before engaging in sex. Come to think of it I dont meet a lot of people who think that the girl must give an enthusiastic verbal yes before every sex act either, another demand from the victim minders.

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@firefly,

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No one is telling you that you can't engage in sexual contact with another adult, who is fully aware and alert, cognitively unimpaired, and freely and willingly consents to the activities you wish to engage in.

I cant wait for the government demanded before sex tests.....we cant run poll tests because they are unreasonably exclusionary but we can sure do this, there are victims to save! (a legit excuse for any abuse the government wants to hand out, of course)

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye, all you are doing is posturing. Meaningless hot air that is meant to distract from your ignorance of actual sexual assault/rape laws.

The actual sexual assault/rape laws in existence do not say what you claim they say. And I challenge you to post the exact sections of the sexual assault laws of the state of Washington, where you live, that support the things you are saying. Do you even know how those laws define "consent"?

No law is inhibiting your right to have sexual contact with an alert, and aware, and cognizant, adult partner, who is freely and willingly consenting to what you want to do--and no law inhibits her right to consent under such circumstances.

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@firefly,

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No law is inhibiting your right to have sexual contact with an alert, and aware, and cognizant, adult partner, who is freely and willingly consenting to what you want to do.

So we are going to have to give each other IQ tests before sex, along with all of the other tests? GREAT! The situation is even worse than I feared. Is this why Japanese young people have decided that sex is too much trouble so they dont even try anymore? The plan of the sex hating feminists for us is coming into view nicely.

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@hawkeye10,

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So we are going to have to give each other IQ tests before sex, along with all of the other tests?

Well, "cognizant" means "aware"--aware of the nature of the situation, and the consequences involved. So it makes no sense you are talking about I.Q.s.

But if you can't even understand the relatively simple definition of a word, that does help to explain why you can't accurately understand the relatively simple sexual assault/rape laws of your state either.

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The plan of the sex hating feminists for us is coming into view nicely.

Back to your nameless, unidentified bogeymen--"THE FEMINISTS". Rolling Eyes

Just who are these alleged "sex-hating feminists" you never name? Have they secretly over-run our legislatures? Have they written and passed sexual assault laws that only you know about? Why not just blame your paranoia on aliens, Hawkeye. Laughing

I'll leave you to your tin-foil topped paranoid musings...you need no further help from me in making yourself look like a fool.

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@BillRM,

Lots of countries have archaic laws that haven't been repealed. It costs parliamentary time and money, both of which could be better spent doing other things like manifesto commitments.

Not that I expect you to understand, not when paranoia and xenophobia rule, and you have to go back to 1987 to find a recent example.

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@hawkeye10,

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that is very interesting because we see a big push to make having sex after drinking a newly criminal act (for men),

Really? Give examples then.

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@hawkeye10,

As I had said over and over Firefly and her like would love to take away both adults rights and adult responsibilities from women when it come to consenting to sexual relationships.

Not only in regards to drinking before sex, but there is a drive on to limit the ability of women to consent to sex with male power figures such as doctors, lawyers, and bosses and even professors.

Over and over women are consider children and need protections from their own lack of judgments when it come to relationships.

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@BillRM,

Nobody has a problem with consent. It's people like you and Hawkeye who don't think consent matters.

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@hawkeye10,

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So we are going to have to give each other IQ tests before sex

Decades after the fact I still feel very bad about not helping out a mentally retarded young lady when she came up to me on a train platform and ask me to walk her to some near by location that she was not able to find for herself.

My fear of the risk of being alone with or even in the company of such a young lady overcame my desire to aid her and made sure she got where she was going in safety.

Firefly and her like won that round when I acted as if being male I should therefore be consider a possible sexual predator instead of just a person aiding a fellow human being in need.

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@BillRM,

Your selfishness won out, as it always does.

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@izzythepush,

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It's people like you and Hawkeye who don't think consent matters.

Consent is consent when given freely by one adult to another adult something you and firefly do not agree with and instead wishing to place a duty on men to act as the guardians of women best interests as you see those interests instead of treating women as fully adult as any man.

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@BillRM,

Bullshit, you don't think consent matters. As far as you're concerned all rapes are fictitious. Every single rape victim consented and then changed their mind.

It's never been about consent, it's about being able to do what the hell you want and consent be damned.

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@izzythepush,

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Your selfishness won out, as it always does.

Sorry it had nothing to do with selfishness as if it had been a male person with that handicap I would had have no problem taking him where he wished to go.

What won out that day was people like you and firefly installing fear in men that they will be view as sexual predators more often then not.

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@izzythepush,

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Bullshit, you don't think consent matters. As far as you're concerned all rapes are fictitious. Every single rape victim consented and then changed their mind.

Oh? I would love to see your proof of that statement!!!!!!!!!!!

Rapes sadly does happen just as false rape charges sadly do occur and I unlike you and Firefly I am willing to admit that both rapes and false charges of rapes happen all the time.

An both events are as serous a misdeed as the other.

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@BillRM,

Your selfishness won out, as it always does. You're using others as an excuse.

BillRM wrote:

if it had been a male person with that handicap I would had have no problem taking him where he wished to go.

Bullshit, you've not got an altruistic bone in your body.

Btw, instead of moaning about British laws and carping on about cases that go back to 1987 you should look closer to home.

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Welcome to Sandy Springs, Georgia. The town where the people are friendly, the air is clean, and you aren’t allowed to own or possess a sex toy unless you have a doctor’s note.

The small city of Sandy Springs took the unusually puritanical step of banning the sale of sex toys to anyone without a “medical, scientific, educational, legislative, or law enforcement” purpose. It would be fascinating to hear what lawmakers thinks qualify as a “law enforcement” sex toy purpose, but let’s not get sidetracked. Essentially, residents are banned from having pleasure devices unless they okay it with their doctor or local politicians.

http://iacknowledge.net/city-in-georgia-bans-sex-toys-unless-you-have-a-doctors-prescription/

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@BillRM,

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Oh? I would love to see your proof of that statement!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty much every post you've made. It's pretty clear what you are.

Btw, overuse of exclamation marks is something most of us grew out of when we were 15.

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