Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

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that wish to imposed their strange outlooks on sex on all of us.

If the idea that sexual contact should be consenting is "a strange outlook" to you, you certainly do have problems that set you apart from most normal people.

The sexual assault laws, including those of the state you live in, were written, and enacted into law, by overwhelmingly male stature legislatures. These are the laws that most men wanted, and that most men continue to support.

That's why you and Hawkeye are left alone to trade mouse turds with each other. No one else here agrees with your view of the current laws, and it is very apparent that neither of you is actually referring to any specific current state laws. I'd call your posts pure bullshit, except they are so pathetic, they really are mouse turds.

Continue your anti-female, pity-the-poor-male whining, you two menopausal drama queens. Laughing

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye I do not think that it is women as a class are playing men but a tiny tiny group of women such as Firefly

Sure, and they manipulate women into fearing men with their rape scare program, and men into feeling guilt for all of the alleged raper men and with the law changes now having reason to feeling that their future is in jeopardy each time they consort with women, which is supposed to be a 1-2 punch that will keep men docile and obeying women. Once the truth gets out that the rape scare was a sham organized by the feminists this is going to be a problem, because then the laws become clearly government oppression, an unjustified intrusion into private life on the part of the sexual prudes and man haters.

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@firefly,

Sorry but you had not been able to get juries to go along with these sick laws for the most part even those you keep trying and trying.

Of course just being charge with the crime of rape can ruin most men lives.

Love the one military officer in charge of a NJ base sexual assault training course teaching that if a female had any alcohol in her system she can not consent to sex and any sex with her therefore is rape.(see the earlier posting of mine for details)

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@firefly,

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If the idea that sexual contact should be consenting is "a strange outlook" to you, you certainly do have problems that set you apart from most normal people.

the devil is in the details, what level of consent is right, and is the level demanded by the government an undue burden, and is the penalty reasonable and fair to all parties???

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No one else here agrees with your view of the current laws

Facts not in evidence. Besides, the feminists have been running a well organized rape scare program since the early 80's, it will take time to set the record straight, I care much more about what people will think in 10-20 years than I do what they think right now. It is damn shocking that we have even been able to question the feminist rhetoric and agenda at A2k, which is a fairly wide open space, you will recall that it was demanded that I be thrown out of A2K for daring to question the governments position on sexual control. This is not something that we as a society can yet talk openly about, correcting this injustice against men and intrusion of the government into affairs that are none of its business is going to take some time.

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@hawkeye10,

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. Once the truth gets out that the rape scare was a sham organized by the feminists this is going to be a problem

Right, it's all a scam. Rapes never happen. Rolling Eyes

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because then the laws become clearly government oppression, an unjustified intrusion into private life on the part of the sexual prudes and man haters.

Right, only sexual prudes and man-haters feel that sexual contact should be consenting. Rolling Eyes

You are one pathetic dude. Why not just be honest and say your main fear is that the government will interfere with your BDSM activities, and, with regard to those activities, you don't want to be hampered by any conventional notions of "consent"--not even the conventional notions of "consent" within the BDSM community.

This is all about your own deviant sexual preferences--deviant, by your own admission. It really has nothing to do with the current sexual assault laws, which really interfere with no one's sexual interactions with another consenting adult. Except that you fear your own sexual behaviors cross the line of those laws. Letting you set the standard for sexual assault laws would be like letting a pyromaniac write the criminal arson laws.

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@BillRM,

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Love the one military officer in charge of a NJ base sexual assault training course teaching that if a female had any alcohol in her system she can not consent to sex and any sex with her therefore is rape.(see the earlier posting of mine for details)

Thereby making it very clear that yes, the feminists actually do what to go there, as we have claimed. Sex is a very serious business dont you now, each time you do it you are putting the rest of your life at risk, and yes we must be cold stone sober. Next we will need a script and a contract....that ought to do the trick to make sex so little fun that people will stop doing it, which of course is the goal. Who would have guessed even a few years ago that we were headed back to puritanical sex? Who would have thought that our bosses hate people so much that they would move to take away one of the best parts of life, only a few decades after we finally got rid of the long running effort by the church to ruin sex? Both that they wanted to do this to us and that they have done so well to get away with this is damn depressing.

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@hawkeye10,

I love it that if a woman drive drunk it is her responsibility for dong so but if she had sex when under the influence it is a crime of rape by her partner.

Wonder when we are going to made any male near her when she get into a car to drive drunk guilty of allowing a woman to drive drunk?

Women are children when it come to their sexual behaviors it would seem in Firefly view of life.

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@hawkeye10,

Can you just see the wonderful situation where most college men could be charge with rape for having sex with their female partners if they had been out partying beforehand.

Firefly would have then had been able to redefine rape so most young men are rapists.

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@BillRM,

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I love it that if a woman drive drunk it is her responsibility for dong so but if she had sex when under the influence it is a crime of rape by her partner

I will love it when the American people start to give the government hell for removing our right to decide for ourselves when we have sex. There is a secret thrill to criminal sex, but making the vast majority of citizens criminals so that the state has a excuse to come after us any time it wants to sounds like something out of the history books from East Germany. This is not supposed to be what America is about. Now all we need to do is to set up our version of the Stasi to compete the program, get the organized snitch program going....

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@BillRM,

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Firefly would have then had been able to redefine rape so most young men are rapists

the idea is to redefine rape so that almost every man has raped at least once in their lives. We are then supposed to feel all guilty, and be putty in their hands.

I'll be taking a pass on that.

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@hawkeye10,

As I said before...

You are one pathetic dude. Why not just be honest and say your main fear is that the government will interfere with your BDSM activities, and, with regard to those activities, you don't want to be hampered by any conventional notions of "consent"--not even the conventional notions of "consent" within the BDSM community.

This is all about your own deviant sexual preferences--deviant, by your own admission. It really has nothing to do with the current sexual assault laws, which really interfere with no one's sexual interactions with another consenting adult. Except that you fear your own sexual behaviors cross the line of those laws. Letting you set the standard for sexual assault laws would be like letting a pyromaniac write the criminal arson laws.

Your big concern is that "feminists" or the government won't see BDSM slaves as consenting, or that people won't be able to consent to torture--things like that. You haven't got the slightest interest in this topic beyond how it directly affects you, and your deviant modes of satisfaction. So, you're preoccupied with various paranoid conspiracy theories, comprised of all these shadowy people you actually can't name or quote. who are all huddled together somewhere plotting to deprive you of your sexual pursuits. And your extra-marital BDSM sex life seems to be the only thing you have going for yourself.

No one gives a damn about your personal sex life, except you. The government, and the feminists, and everyone else in their right mind, has more important matters to focus on. You are so consumed with yourself you can't see you really don't matter--not even enough for anyone to come after you--and all the crap you post matters even less. You're not provocative, or discussing any taboo subjects, you're a self-deluded bore who has very little to say of any real interest.

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@firefly,

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Leaving sex to the feminists is like letting your dog vacation at the taxidermist

Camille Paglia

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@hawkeye10,

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Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

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@hawkeye10,

Is that quote by Paglia supposed to mean something in the context of this topic?

The topic of this thread is sexual assault--not sex. Obviously, in your mind, there is no difference between sexual assault and sex.

As I said, letting you set the standard for the sexual assault laws is like putting a pyromaniac in charge of the arson laws, or a thief in charge of the robbery laws.

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@hawkeye10,

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The law will never make men free, it is men that have to make the law free.

Henry David Thoreau

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This man received an even longer sentence than the one the prosecutor asked for. The prosecutor asked for 7 years, the judge gave him 30.

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Franklin man gets 30 years for rape
By Matthew Perenchio | Jackson County Chronicle
Saturday, October 15, 2011

A judge sentenced a 22-year-old Jackson County man Friday to 30 years in prison for his role in a rape.

Phillip Ronning will then serve 10 years on extended supervision.

Prosecutors say Ronning, of the town of Franklin, and his uncle, Rodney Tollefson, drove an 18-year-old woman to a secluded area and raped and beat her in August 2010, according to the criminal complaint filed in Jackson County Circuit Court.

Ronning pleaded guilty in August to amended charges of aided first-degree sexual assault and false imprisonment. The judge sentenced him to a concurrent four-year prison sentence on the false imprisonment charge.

Jackson County Circuit Judge Thomas Lister’s sentence exceeded prosecutors’ request for seven years in prison and 13 years extended supervision.

Defense attorney Matt Torgerson called the crime “terrible” but had hoped a lesser sentence would have allowed Ronning to be rehabilitated in the community.

“No one disputes that what happened here is terrible,” Torgerson said. “What Mr. Ronning did is unimaginable from the victim’s perspective, and at the same time ... this is really one event that exists in a lifetime chain of abuse.”

Tollefson, 40, also of Franklin, is charged with abusing the girl for 15 years, sometimes with foreign objects. He faces 36 charges, including 13 counts of second-degree sexual assault. A seven-day trial is set for March.

Tollefson — who was found guilty of fourth-degree sexual assault in 1997 — also faces sexual assault and false imprisonment charges in Manitowoc County for an incident with the girl last Christmas.

Ronning also could be called to testify against Tollefson, according to the agreement reached with Monroe County District Attorney Dan Cary, who was assigned as a special prosecutor for both cases.

Torgerson said the defense hasn’t ruled out a sentence appeal, although he added it would be difficult to have it overturned.
http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_8fa1078e-f6e2-11e0-9198-001cc4c03286.html

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@firefly,

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The topic of this thread is sexual assault--not sex

Sex that does not meet the governments required level of consent and thus is prohibited is by definition sex. You have decided that the motivation is not erotic (which you have not proven by the way) and thus you dont want to call it sex, but that is your problem not mine.

Did you have to take a class on Newspeak , or did you pick up this skill on your own?

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@firefly,

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A judge sentenced a 22-year-old Jackson County man Friday to 30 years in prison for his role in a rape.
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Ronning pleaded guilty in August to amended charges of aided first-degree sexual assault and false imprisonment.
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Jackson County Circuit Judge Thomas Lister’s sentence exceeded prosecutors’ request for seven years in prison and 13 years extended supervision

WOW, that is flat out dumb..it destroys the DA's ability to plea bargain, and given that the state can not afford to try more than a fraction of the cases they bring this would grind justice to a halt. Both the DA and the citizens should be outraged at this judge. Hopefully they can vote this fool out of office.

Firefly, are you under the impression that highlighting one idiotic American judge is going to somehow defend American law against my claims of being the source of injustice? What you have done is to show yet again that your instinct when face with opposition is to go grab the biggest hammer you can find to pound them with. If you were smarter you would have brought to use some case where everyone could agree that rape happens and rape is bad, instead you give us a case where a man was abused by the system. He negotiated in good faith with the DA and pleaded guilty, and then he got hammered by the Judge. It reminds me of what was going to happen to Polanski if he did not run, and what is part of the reason why he finds so much support around the world...he did not run from American justice, he ran from American injustice.

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@hawkeye10,

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Sex that does not meet the governments required level of consent and thus is prohibited is by definition sex.

No, without consent, it's a sexual assault--a criminal act. It doesn't matter whether the motivation was erotic or not--what matters is whether the contact was wanted, whether consent was present.

If you take my car without my consent, you have committed a crime.

If you enter my home without my consent, you have committed a crime.

The issue of "consent" runs throughout our laws--it is not unique to sexual assault laws. And people of average intelligence are expected to understand what "consent" means as it is defined in the laws. Guess that leaves you out.

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@firefly,

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No, without consent, it's a sexual assault-

That is what we call it because those who write the law want to frame the issue to their liking, the word "assault" is used for effect. It is Newspeak.

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what matters is whether the contact was wanted, whether consent was present.

Well hell, by that definition if I am standing next to you on the subway and brush your ass with the back of my hand as the train lurches then have I have just committed sexual assault. There was non consensual contact between me and your fanny, a well known erotic zone....call the cops and have them cuff me baby....I know you want to.

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