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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 03:50 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye it would be interesting to place this in a google home page news search and see what will occur over the next 6 months or so in this case.

Of course Firefly would not care if this turn out to be another young man falsely charge with rape by a young woman.

She gotten her headlines and that is all that matter to her in her quest to paint men as dangerous predators and women at preys to them.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 03:56 am
@firefly,
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BillRM and Hawkeye demonstrate rape denial and rape myths and rape apology to such an extreme degree, the best thing is just to let them go on talking--to each other. They illustrate the problem of the "rape culture" beautifully.


REALLY? That is what "rape culture" is, the questioning of assumptions and assertions made by women who are claiming sexual victimization? I guess I am not surprised, as I have read all over the place that women who claim sexual assault are to be believed and not questioned in such a way that might call into question their assertions, that to do so is to re-abuse them.

so we have:

rape culture = questioning claims of sexual abuse

rape myth = any aspect of human sexuality that is inconvenient to the feminist storyline that women are wonderful and men suck, first and foremost being that power is a natural part of sexuality.

Methinks the Feminist long ago took to heart George Orwell's lessons on using language to shape minds and project power. They certainly like his idea of thoughtcrimes too.....have the thinkpol been set up yet?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 04:05 am
@BillRM,
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She gotten her headlines and that is all that matter to her in her quest to paint men as dangerous predators and women at preys to them.
I am a bit surprised that she has the balls to keep trying that after her alleged mass rape party at Central Washington University fiasco last year, which turned out to be a case of girls downing Four Loko's but not being able to handle them....you gotta wonder about her wattage level when she hears about a bunch of females puking their guts out and her first thought is that guys must be trying to rape women. I think it is safe to say that 99.93% of men prefer to **** women who don't have puke on them...am I am wrong?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 04:25 am
As I said....

BillRM and Hawkeye demonstrate rape denial and rape myths and rape apology to such an extreme degree, the best thing is just to let them go on talking--to each other. They illustrate the problem of the "rape culture" beautifully.

And, right on target, BillRM hastily posted--post after post--of "false allegation" stories, followed by Hawkeye immediately questioning the truthfulness of the 16 year old who alleged she was raped this week in a bathroom in her high school.

They are like Pavlov's dogs--you ring a bell and you can predict in advance what they'll post--women lie, men are falsely accused and treated unfairly, rape is rare...

And they will go on for 400 pages more, repeating the same things over and over, talking only to each other...while, meanwhile, in the real world, people, like the 4 female members of A2K who posted in this thread to share their experiences, are being sexually assaulted...

The more BillRM and Hawkeye talk, the more the reason for this thread becomes obvious--they are the poster boys for illustrating the pernicious attitudes that contribute to sexual assaults.

And, to repeat what I said before...

BillRM thinks talking about actual cases of rape is unimportant--he only wants to focus on "false accusations", the rapes that never happened. And, although those false allegations comprise only about 4- 8% of reported rapes (about the same percentage of false accusations as occurs for every other type of crime) he continues to insist that almost half of all reported rapes are false allegations. BillRM's message is clear--women lie, rape is rare, prisons are filled with innocent men who are wrongly convicted of rape on the word of a malicious woman. And of course, any woman who gets very drunk is "asking to be raped", and no man should ever be held responsible for raping a woman who is severely intoxicated, or even a woman who is sober, because, according to BillRM's logic, women are not victims of rape, men are the victims of rape laws and women's lies.

And Hawkeye, believes he has the "right" to disregard pesky details like "consent"--whether the woman wants to have sexual contact with him--because the need for sexual "conquest" is hard-wired into his DNA, the woman really wants to be "ravished", and he should have the "sexual freedom" to use her for his gratification until she expresses her displeasure by beating him up to prove he's acted against her will. Hawkeye regards women sexually as little more than pieces of meat, and he talks about getting the "good stuff" the way one asks a butcher for a prime cut, and, while he often calls women "bitches", he refers to their vagina as "the prize". He judges other men to be "pussy-whipped" if they dare view females as actual human beings, with whom communication is possible, and he has no hesitation about casting aspersions on the "masculinity" of any male who dares support sexual assault laws. Hawkeye firmly believes that sexual assault laws are part of a plot to symbolically castrate him--to deny him what he wants, and his preferred way of getting it. So he calls them "anti-sex" laws or "sex regulation" laws--simply because these laws assert he must have the other person's consent for what he wants to do with their body. Hawkeye wants no such impediments to his quest for gratification--consent be damned.
But, not content with just expressing contempt for women, or just holding misogynistic attitudes, Hawkeye has now, rather shockingly, told us that he thinks the rapist of an 83 year old woman should have killed her, because he'd possibly get less prison time for murder than rape, and she wouldn't be alive to testify against him for a rape charge. Women...bitches...really are pieces of meat to him..not humans..just kill them, if that's what's in your self interest. That's a dangerous attitude--and it says a lot alot about a person who can talk so cavalierly and coldly about killing someone.

This thread could go on for another 400 pages and Hawkeye still couldn't connect to the reality of sexual assaults, or to the need for the sexual assault laws. He's too caught up in his own sexual issues, and his power problems with women, and his own sense of inadequacy, to even be able to address the topic with anything approaching objectivity. But, he's narcissistic enough, and arrogant enough, and filled with enough hot air, to keep right on posting his perverse, and contemptuous, and downright paranoid, views of women for the next several hundred pages, while, at the same time, ironically whining that anyone who supports the sexual assault laws is saying that "men suck". Ya gotta admire his capacity for denial and self-delusion.

Dumb and dumber--they deserve to talk to each other.





hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 04:33 am
@firefly,
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And, right on target, BillRM hastily posted--post after post--of "false allegation" stories, followed by Hawkeye immediately questioning the truthfulness of the 16 year old who alleged she was raped this week in a bathroom in her high school
Justice demands that we question allegations of wrong doing, that we attempt to get at the truth.

I fully understand that you have no interest in justice though, gets in the way of the mission.

EDIT: you will notice that the reports use words that build in the assumption that this male raped this female...with a sound track full of weepy and hysterical emotionalism that conveys the same message as reinforcement .

Americans treat men and women equally?? Dont be ridiculous, we long ago became biased against men, began to practice our prejudice against men just as strongly as we did against niggers and fags 100 years ago, we have simply changed targets....we are not better versions of humans than our fathers and grandfathers were, we are only stupid enough to believe that we are.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 05:18 am
@firefly,
Strange you posted a story crying about a rape that may or my not had happen and my five or six news stories deal with similar cases where on checking further there was no rape.

Seems there is more then enough reasons/doubts exist that just taking the word of a young lady can be a very unwise thing to do.

You wish to sobs and hold this case out as an example of the dangers to young girls being attacked in schools base on a news story where there is a good chance will turn 180 degrees around, if past history is any guide.

Right now we have no clue if the story you had posted will turn out that this is indeed an example of a girl that was a victim of a boy sexual attack or a boy who is the victim of false charges by the girl.

Would you care to flip a coin Firefly?

All we can say for sure is that one or the other of them is a victim.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 05:21 am
@firefly,
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those false allegations comprise only about 4- 8% of reported rapes (about the same percentage of false accusations as occurs for every other type of crime) he continues to insist that almost half of all reported rapes are false allegations


I had studies to back the 20s to 40s percent range of false charges so would you care for me to repost them for the tens or hundred times on this thread?

One study deal with hundreds of cases over a ten repeat ten years period and the other was shorter but had many thousands of cases.

No matter how often you repeat it the 8 percent claims is very very likely to be on the very low side.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:02 am
Quote:
The New York Times
October 8, 2011
In This Rape Center, the Patient Was 3
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

FREETOWN, Sierra Leone

IN a rape treatment center here, I met a 3-year-old patient named Jessica, who was cuddling a teddy bear.

Jessica had seemed sick and was losing weight, but she wouldn’t say what was wrong. Her mother took her to a clinic, and a doctor ferreted out the truth. She had been raped and was infected with gonorrhea.

As I stood in the rape center corridor, reeling from the encounter with Jessica, a 4-year-old girl was brought in for treatment. She, too, turned out to have been infected with a sexually transmitted disease in the course of a rape. Also in the center that day were a 10-year-old and a 12-year-old, along with older girls.

Sexual violence is a public health crisis in much of the world, and women and girls ages 15 to 44 are more likely to be maimed or killed by men than by malaria, cancer, war or traffic accidents combined, according to a 2005 study. Such violence remains a significant problem in the United States, but it’s particularly prevalent in countries like Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo that have endured civil war. The pattern is that after peace arrives, men stop shooting each other but continue to rape women and girls at staggering rates — and often at staggeringly young ages.

The International Rescue Committee, which runs the rape center here in Freetown, the nation’s capital, says that 26 percent of the rape victims it treats are 11 years old or younger. Last month, the center said, a 10-month-old baby was brought in for treatment after a rape.

“The girls are being blamed,” noted Amie Kandeh, a heroic American-educated Sierra Leonean who runs women’s programs here for the International Rescue Committee (www.rescue.org). “If a girl is raped and she’s above 5, then it’s the way she was dressed. But we’ve had a girl of 2-and-a-half months who was raped. Was it the way her mom put her diaper on?”

That 2-and-a-half-month-old baby died of internal injuries sustained during the rape, said Ms. Kandeh.

The struggle against sexual violence will be won or lost primarily within each country, but the United States could help if Congress reintroduced and passed the International Violence Against Women Act, which would take modest steps to raise the profile of such violence. And the United States could hurt the effort if House Republicans succeed in eliminating financing for the United Nations Population Fund, which works in places like Sierra Leone to combat rape.

Ultimately, the only way to end the epidemic of sexual violence is to end the silence and impunity and send people to prison. But that almost never happens. Ms. Kandeh says that the International Rescue Committee rape centers have treated more than 9,000 patients since 2003 — and fewer than one-half of 1 percent of the rapes have resulted in criminal convictions.

In the eastern city of Kenema, a day’s drive from the capital, I met a 13-year-old girl, named TaJoe, who was being treated for a rape — and whose case underscores why survivors keep quiet.

TaJoe is a bright seventh grader, ranking third in her class of 18. One evening recently, she needed to use the outhouse, some distance away, and she asked her sister to escort her. The sister scoffed and said she’d be fine. TaJoe went by herself, and she says that on her way back she was grabbed by a businessman, thrown to the ground, and raped.

Ashamed and afraid, TaJoe confided in no one. But she developed a sexually transmitted infection that caused a raging fever. She stopped eating, and her health deteriorated. When her family took her to a clinic, doctors discovered the problem and she “confessed.”

The businessman was suspected of raping two other girls in the village, but he also was educated and rich. When TaJoe implicated him, the police acted quickly. They detained TaJoe and her mother, accusing them of sullying the name of a respected member of the community.

The police later released them, but the episode terrified TaJoe. Meanwhile, she says, the businessman promised that if he remained free he would pay all of TaJoe’s future school fees — a bribe that gives her hope of completing an education and transforming her life.

When I asked TaJoe what should be done with the case, she was adamant. “I do not want prosecution,” she said. “I don’t want to make trouble.”

I asked whether the businessman will continue to rape girls. TaJoe said listlessly that maybe he had learned his lesson. She knows that her well-being in the village — and, perhaps, her hopes of a medical career — depend upon her surrender.

“My fear is that they will go and arrest this man,” she told me.

So is the situation hopeless? To my surprise, I found a hint of progress, especially when a teenage girl asked me to help capture her rapist. I’ll tell that story in my next column.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/opinion/sunday/kristof-In-This-Rape-Center-the-Patient-Was-3.html?_r=2

The all too familiar pattern of victim blame and rapists evading prosecution and punishment...

“The girls are being blamed,” noted Amie Kandeh, a heroic American-educated Sierra Leonean who runs women’s programs here for the International Rescue Committee (www.rescue.org). “If a girl is raped and she’s above 5, then it’s the way she was dressed. But we’ve had a girl of 2-and-a-half months who was raped. Was it the way her mom put her diaper on?”

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:21 am
@firefly,
Has Kristof ever explained where this obsession of his comes from? He goes back to the well over and over again for stories on female sexual victimhood. I figure that he has a guilty conscious about some run in he had with a girl when he was a dorky teenager.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:32 am
@firefly,
Young children are being blame in some third world nations for being victims of sexual assaults?

Well to the degree it is true it is sad indeed that some countries cultures are that backward.

It is sad in the same manner as the ongoing rapes of children that is happening in some regions of Africa because of the crazy believes that having sex with a virgin is a cure for AID.

Still such areas had one hell of a lot greater problems such as whole scale genocides of whole peoples.

Short of the western world being willing to once more take over ruling those people for a few generation I do not see what can done.

Do you suggest we take these areas over by force and imposed our morals on them Firefly?

Footnote even if we did so the raping of children would be fairly far down the lists of problems that would need to be deal with.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:43 am
@BillRM,
Kristof writes for a mostly American audience, he is trying to trump up Americans vigilance on women's rights for some reason, but it has not escaped my notice that he feels the need to travel the world to backwards nations in order to find his stories. There is based upon his stories no more reason to think that sexual violence against women in America is any more a problem than is civil war in America. There are places in the world were the lack of womens rights is a major problem, but in America increasingly that gets trumped by the lack of men's rights if we are to talk about magnitude of the problem.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 11:48 am
@hawkeye10,
A journalist's passionate and legitimate concern with the global problem of sexual violence toward women is in your mind an "obsession" in a negative sense? Given your own infantile and self-serving views, it's not surprising you see it that way--you can't understand any man who views the global pattern of rape, not just as crimes against women, but as intolerable crimes against humanity which demand that voices be raised in protest.

Let's hope that Kristof remains "obsessed" with the problem of sexual violence, and that he continues to expose it, until there is no longer such a problem to speak about.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hell Hawkeyne that is the least of their problems as for example the lack of clean drinking water and a few dollars worth of mosquitos netting is resulting in a large percents of those children not reaching the age of 5 to become rape victims.

You had to have an odd view of the world that you can visited such areas and reach the conclusion that the first needs in placing the men into anti rape programs.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Still such areas had one hell of a lot greater problems such as whole scale genocides of whole peoples.

The problems are interconnected--both genocide and sexual violence display a disregard for life and human rights. Even though the fighting may stop, the sexual violence continues--to say there are "greater problems" does not offer sufficient excuse for the failure to address the issue of ongoing sexual violence.
Quote:
Short of the western world being willing to once more take over ruling those people for a few generation I do not see what can done.

We can urge Congress to pass the International Violence Against Women Act.
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Footnote even if we did so the raping of children would be fairly far down the lists of problems that would need to be deal with.

Right, the raping of female children really isn't that important, is it, BillRM? Rolling Eyes So how about we address the entire global problem of sexual violence toward females--of all ages--and stop ignoring it and allowing it to continue.


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:06 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
-you can't understand any man who views the global pattern of rape, not just as crimes against women, but as intolerable crimes against humanity which demand that voices be raised in protest.
He keeps beating away at that drum but he never gets very far, because what he talks about is not a reality in America. He comes off as just another liberal hack who is trying to sell Liberalism's victim culture. We already know that he is a liberal lover of victims everywhere, he did not prove anything we did not already know by going to war ravished Sierra Leone to look up some rape victims, he has spent much of the last ten years traveling the world looking for victims to report on....we know the drill.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:07 pm
Quote:
The New York Times
October 12, 2011
One Girl’s Courage
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

KENEMA, Sierra Leone

Early one morning, I came across the actress Eva Mendes, crying. She said that she was overwhelmed by all the girls she had met here in Sierra Leone who had been raped — and by her inability to help.

Ms. Mendes and I had just arrived here in West Africa to collaborate on a PBS documentary on some inspiring women around the world. In our first full day of reporting, we had met 3- and 4-year-old girls who had been raped.

It was heartbreaking, yet we ultimately found a hint of progress, partly because of the grit of a 15-year-girl, Fulamatu. A ninth grader and star of her class, Fulamatu dreams of going to university and becoming a bank manager.

Living right next door is Victor S. Palmer, a 41-year-old Pentecostal pastor and friend of her family, so close that Fulamatu calls him “uncle.” Yet, one day in May, Fulamatu says, the pastor threw her on his bed and raped her.

“I was scared, so I didn’t tell my parents,” Fulamatu remembered. He continued the attacks, she said, and she became sick and lost weight. Finally, after two other girls reported that the pastor had tried to rape them, her parents confronted her. Fulamatu told them that she had been repeatedly raped, and a doctor determined that she had a severe case of gonorrhea.

Fulamatu wanted to prosecute the pastor, and I watched as she made her statement to the police. She was scared and embarrassed but also determined. The police set out to arrest the pastor, but they couldn’t find him.

That’s when Fulamatu had an idea: If I, as a foreigner, called his cellphone, he might agree to meet. After concluding that it would be a mistake to let an alleged rapist go free if I could prevent it, I telephoned the pastor. I introduced myself and asked to see him that afternoon. When he showed up, the police grabbed him.

The pastor firmly denied all charges. At the police station, he told me that he had never had sex, forced or consensual, with Fulamatu or tried to rape the other girls. He could not explain why the girls would say that he had attacked them.

That evening, the neighborhood celebrated outside the police station. One girl after another came up to me and described how the pastor had been preying on girls. Fulamatu was thrilled at the prospect of justice. Impunity seemed to be eroding.

Yet progress is agonizingly slow, and the International Rescue Committee says that only one-half of 1 percent of the rapes it deals with in Sierra Leone lead to convictions. I soon saw the challenges first hand.

After Mr. Palmer was arrested, his family members came calling on Fulamatu’s family. They prostrated themselves before Fulamatu’s feet and begged forgiveness.

Under pressure, Fulamatu’s father announced that he forgave the pastor. Fulamatu’s mother told me that the family would not testify against Mr. Palmer at a trial.

The police moved on their own and released the pastor. He is now free again.

“This is very common,” Amie Kandeh of the International Rescue Committee, who battles sexual violence here, told me. She routinely sees cases dropped.

Then it got worse. Fulamatu’s father, humiliated by the furor surrounding his daughter, threatened to evict her from their house. Her mother prepared to send Fulamatu to a remote village with no school. It looked as if Fulamatu would be forced to end her studies and have her life’s hopes destroyed.

I left Fulamatu my cellphone so that she could contact me for help if necessary. That evening she phoned: Her father had kicked her out on the street. Then her parents confiscated the phone.

It’s because of girls like Fulamatu that I want Congress to pass the International Violence Against Women Act. It wouldn’t solve all the problems, but it would encourage countries like Sierra Leone to take sexual violence more seriously. And shining a light on oppression helps overcome it.

For Fulamatu, the situation is in flux. Under pressure, the family grudgingly took her back in, and the International Rescue Committee is helping her. Ms. Mendes is hoping to pay for her to go to a boarding school, where she could get an education and be safe.

There is so much in this case to shed angry tears about. Yet Fulamatu herself, while utterly humiliated, is dry-eyed and strong. She misted only when I grabbed her by the shoulders and told her that she had done nothing wrong.

It’s worth emulating her toughness and resolve as the path to change. As more girls show Fulamatu’s courage, we can some day break taboos about sexual violence and inch toward a global recognition that it is more shameful to rape than to be raped.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/opinion/one-girls-courage.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:30 pm
@firefly,
Did not Eva Mendes take note of all the children who is not getting past infanthood?

Is her concern is only about rape and the dying of babies is meaningless to her?

Yes the funding should go into anti rape programs as that is far far more important.

Crazy people indeed!!!!!!!!

Footnote my wife had been in the peace corp now had you ever been near the areas of the world we are talking about Firefly?
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
He keeps beating away at that drum but he never gets very far, because what he talks about is not a reality in America.

Right, we have no crimes of sexual violence against women in America, do we Hawkeye? Rolling Eyes

A member of A2K posted in this thread about her own rape when she was only 4 years old--and that was only the first of other sexual assaults she was to endure later in her life.

And, this acquaintance rape is from today's newspaper.
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Friday, October 14, 2011
Kidnap, rape, choking alleged
Woman found covered in blood
By Craig S. Semon
TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF

WEBSTER — A Worcester man is accused of raping and choking a female acquaintance and hitting her with a rock after the two had started out for Sunday church services.

Manuel S. Sanabria, 23, of 30 Everett Gaylord Blvd., Worcester, is charged with attempted murder, kidnapping, mayhem, aggravated rape and armed robbery. He was arraigned yesterday in Dudley District Court. Judge Margaret R. Guzman set bail at $50,000, although Assistant District Attorney Courtney Price, citing among other reasons previous charges against Mr. Sanabria, had asked for $100,000.

The judge ordered Mr. Sanabria, should he post bail, to stay away from the woman and wear a GPS monitoring device. The district attorney’s office did not have information last night on whether he made bail.

Police became aware of the case Sunday, when Dudley police received a report at 12:51 p.m. that a woman covered in blood was walking in the Chase Avenue area of Dudley. Because Chase Avenue runs through both Webster and Dudley, a Webster officer went to assist the Dudley officers.

The woman, in her early 20s, told police she had been raped and beaten before finally being released by Mr. Sanabria, whom she has known for approximately eight years.

She said she picked up Mr. Sanabria at 11:30 a.m. Sunday in Worcester to bring him to church in the Webster-Dudley area. When they got to Webster, Mr. Sanabria asked the woman to stop at his brother’s apartment on Main Street so he could pick something up, she told police.

Once she parked the car, she told police, Mr. Sanabria forced her into the back seat, then drove to a secluded spot, where he raped her and then choked her until she lost consciousness.

She said that when she regained consciousness, Mr. Sanabria struck her repeatedly in the head and face with a rock.

She told police she could feel and see the blood running down her face. She said she pleaded with Mr. Sanabria to stop hurting her and to let her go, according to police.

She told police Mr. Sanabria eventually stopped the attack and told her he would let her live if she promised not to report him.

Because of the severity of the wounds to her head and face, she was taken directly to UMass Memorial Medical Center — University Campus in Worcester, police said.

Officers said they found the woman’s vehicle in a lot behind 118 Main St., Webster. They said they saw large amounts of blood in the interior as well as blood smears on the exterior. Also, officers saw a blood-stained rock on the back seat, the police report said.

Worcester police arrested Mr. Sanabria Tuesday on a warrant with the charges stemming from the alleged attack, and also on a previous arrest warrant from another case.

According to court documents, Mr. Sanabria is charged with mayhem because he tried to maim or disfigure the woman by hitting her with a rock. He is charged with armed robbery because he was allegedly armed with a dangerous weapon (a rock) and allegedly stole $400 and a cellphone from the woman.

In February, Mr. Sanabria was charged with breaking and entering in the nighttime with intent to commit a felony, vandalizing property, assault and battery, intimidation of a witness, and threatening to commit a crime (assault and battery). In May, he was charged with assault and battery. All the charges were from Worcester Central District Court.
http://www.telegram.com/article/20111014/NEWS/110149735/1003/NEWS03

Sexual violence is, unfortunately, alive and well in America, as it is elsewhere. And being silent about it, or attempting to trivialize it, as you do, will not make that problem disappear. Committed crusaders, like Kristof, make self-involved people like you seem like a joke--and a sick joke at that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:39 pm
@firefly,
So you are trying to draw conclusions about violence against women in the first world by bringing up the situation in the third world?

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2011 12:49 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Committed crusaders, like Kristof, make self-involved people like you seem like a joke--and a sick joke at that.
The tide is on my side.... the massive move towards mistrust of the government, the massive move of public opinion towards taking back the country from the elites who have failed us, and the increasing abet slowly growing intolerance for whine....all point to the defeat of liberalism. This is the end of the line for the feminists and the government using victim culture ideology to run over the rights of the citizens, hell even the Feminists are increasingly coming to the conclusion that there is nothing more to be gained in their partnership with the state, that they need to switch gears. Not that that will help them much, because they can not run from what they have already done.... they have already proven beyond doubt that they are hostile to individual rights, that they are hostile to the foundation of the American Experiment. They have realized too late that America is not Europe, that while we can be manipulated by fear into giving up many of our rights such dishonesty will not work for long. While PC culture was a valiant attempt to silence protest to the application of force upon the individual that project has now failed, and where truth is allowed to ring such coercion and manipulation as has recently been applied to the American people can not stand. It will not stand.
 

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