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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 04:52 pm
@Mame,
OK now let address the issue of a woman who feel scare of her date because of factors that have nothing to do with bad acts on his part.

He is a large large man or his manner is far rougher then she is used to but he is not threatening her.

Now she consent to sex with him out of this internal fear so should that be his responsibility?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 04:56 pm
@Mame,
Hell in my early twenties there was no amount of alcohol that would stop me from performing and I question if this is at all uncommon for other young men.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 04:57 pm
@BillRM,
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Hell in my early twenties there was no amount of alcohol that would stop me from performing and I question if this is at all uncommon for other young men.
Besides, they have pills for that now, which many young men carry for insurance....
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 11:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
I just got done reading about the new Federal requirement on universities dealing with claims of sexual misdeeds that Hawkeye had refer to.

First, please take note the claims that rapes are common on colleges campuses is base on those phonic surveys and not on reported rapes.

Lovely and the government also now wish to demand that the universities must run parallel investigations to any criminal ones.

The measure of proof would also not be the same as a criminal investigation beyond a reasonable doubt but a civil one of more likely then not.

Ok, first no lawyer in his or her right mind is going to allow his client to take part in some university investigation or mount a defense to a charge of sexual assault or misdeed if a criminal charge is also pending.

That in effect would mean that any woman student that press such charges again any male student would at the very least be able to end his college career guilty or not.

Yes this sound very fair.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 12:00 am
@BillRM,
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First, please take note the claims that rapes are common on colleges campuses is base on those phonic surveys and not on reported rapes.
I loved it when Biden claim that sexual assault is a huge problem which we know because there were 3,300 reported forcable rapes last year. In 2008 US universities enrolled 2.6 million FRESHMEN, of which about 58% were females. I dont know what the reported rape rate is but I am confident that it is below .05% of the females per year (1 per 2000 females). This is not a good reason for the feds to come in and take control of campus security.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 01:30 am
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Biden, along with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, visited the university to introduce guidance to help schools, colleges and universities better understand their legal obligations under federal civil rights laws to prevent and respond to the issue of sexual assault on campuses nationwide.
Biden, who sponsored the 1994 Violence Against Women Act, has long been an advocate for protecting women from sexual and domestic abuse.
Duncan was first to address the crowd of nearly 800 students, faculty and community members, saying that although school officials often wish sexual violence did not exist, the issue cannot be ignored.
"Too often our country has tried to deny that sexual violence occurs in our schools," Duncan said. "That denial must end


One can only assume that Duncan is suffering from some form of mental illness, given the wave of rape scare that has rolled across our university campuses over the last two decades..
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Biden said that he is determined to end domestic and sexual violence in this country because of his father, who taught him that sexual abuse is the "cardinal sin of all sins."
Lessons like this, Biden told his audience, need to be better taught by American schools in order to prevent even more sexual abuse among teens and college students.
"It is the responsibility of colleges and community colleges to be proactive in protecting rights of women on campus," Biden said. "Rape is rape is rape, and the sooner we make that clear, the sooner we'll make progress on campuses."
Biden then addressed the men in the crowd, calling upon them to fight against the sexual abuse of women in their personal lives and by speaking up when they witness abuse.
"I'm asking you to take a pledge to yourself," Biden said. "Promise yourself you will speak up … it takes a lot of courage to go against convention."
http://www.tnhonline.com/a-vice-presidential-presence-1.2141932
So much for the alleged move towards equality in confronting domestic violence...not a peep about how women abuse men just as much as men abuse women. Men get a lecture to protect women but where is the lecture to stand up for themselves by not letting women abuse them? Where is the like lecture to women??

This is all very disgusting...it is an affront to those who seek honesty and fairness, it is also counterproductive to actually dealing with the problem because when authority tells bold faced lies authority loses the ability to be part of the solution.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 01:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Video here
http://www.necn.com/04/04/11/At-UNH-Biden-talks-about-sexual-violence/landing_politics.html?blockID=497058&feedID=4212

which was even more anti-male than the news reports indicate. Also highly hostile to individual rights to enter into relationships of their choosing, insisting that the federal government has a duty to change minds as to what is right as well as behaviour through the force of law. Our relationships must be kosher in accordance with the will of Joe Biden.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 01:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Listening to the feminists one would never guess that sexual assault rates are significantly lower than they were a generation ago. Here we have one claiming that something has gone wrong with this generation of young men, that we have some new crisis on our hands.
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Yesterday, Vice President Biden and Secretary Duncan announced a Sexual Assault Awareness Campaign. The impetus? The Department of Education acknowledges a grave threat to this generation: 20 percent of college women will be victims of rape or sexual assault!

We live in a civilized country, after all. Who is assaulting these young women? The answer, of course, is our college men! Ponder this: roughly 20% of our college men will rape or sexually assault a college woman before they graduate.

Let me put this another way. This weekend, when you go to your son's little league or lacrosse game, watch his team take the field. Two of the boys on his team will grow up to rape or sexually assault a college classmate. How did we let it get to this?

When I read the Department of Education stats, I felt a knot in my stomach. My daughter will enter college and have a 20 percent chance of being a victim? What are mothers and fathers to do to protect our daughters? We can't send chaperones on campus. Or lock our daughters up in their dorm room. But, we certainly can use this information as a teachable moment to arm our daughters with information.

But if that's all we do as parents, it's a cop-out! We have failed this generation. We as parents must arm our sons with information too! Bluntly stated: we need to explain sexual boundaries to this generation of boys and young men.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-siskind/20-of-college-men-are-sex_b_844813.html

And yet this is the crowd that we allow to run sex law. It is time for a change.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 01:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The answer, of course, is our college men! Ponder this: roughly 20% of our college men will rape or sexually assault a college woman before they graduate
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I love the crazy numbers they come up with for rapes/sexually assaults on those surveys counting as assaults such things as a guy touching his date during a make out session in a manner that the woman check on the survey that she were not happy about as an assault.

Once more something like 85 to 90 percents of the women those crazy surveys label as victims of sexual assaults disagree with being so label and roughly half are in ongoing sexual relationships with the very males those surveys had label as the women "attackers".

Sexual assaults in the common meaning of that term is rare on any college campus and in the society as a whole reported assaults is at a damn 31 years low.






hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 01:55 pm
@BillRM,
Did you catch that Biden said that he will not be happy until there are no sexual assaults on women?? And he says that he is willing to do what ever it takes to get there, which we know from watching him over the years usually means using government force. I know that we over use the comparisons to Hitler, but this fits..... yet another delusional guy who is willing to use authoritarian measures to try to get the world to conform to his will, and he does not care how people are made nor what people want because he aims to mold us into what he wants us to be.

Watch the video Bill, but not directly after a meal...it is damn scary stuff....
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:45 am
'SlutWalks' put provocative message in the streets


BOSTON – This social movement really gets around.

An international series of protests known as SlutWalks, sparked by a Toronto police officer's flippant comment that women should avoid dressing like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimized, is taking root in the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110506/ap_on_re_us/us_slut_walk;_ylt=AnxV8GcMrkhSFf49wkhjmxdH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTJxNDQxODk0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNTA2L3VzX3NsdXRfd2FsawRjY29kZQNnbXBlBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDNARzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3NsdXR3YWxrc3B1dA--

Looks like a "new" feminist movement? Or not?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 11:57 am
@panzade,
If they dress like sluts then they might have themselves a good idea, otherwise not. Those who dress in a highly sexualized way that is pleasing to men are going to be considered either more interested in doing actual sex or else cockteases, so dreessing that way if they don't want male sexual attention is not a great idea.

The law does not read that way, which discredits the law not human nature. The law must conform to humans....the other way around is called oppression.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 12:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yes, but isn't the following statement oppressive to women?

"Those who dress in a highly sexualized way that is pleasing to men are going to be considered either more interested in doing actual sex or else cockteases, so dreessing that way if they don't want male sexual attention is not a great idea."
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 12:13 pm
@panzade,
Requesting honesty in how you present yourself is not oppression, it is a request for decency towards others.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 05:34 pm
@panzade,
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isn't the following statement oppressive to women?
Isnt wearing clothes oppressive ? Covering a sneeze or a cough ? What about not be able to piss in the streets ? Everything about society is oppressive it is just that most of us don't mind .
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 07:32 pm
@Ionus,
Most of us do mind. It is only idiots like you and Hawkeye who look upon such things as "normal" from the realms of the fringe element.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 04:00 am
@Intrepid,
If a woman had her tits hanging out I assume that she wish males to looks at them and might be more open to males approaching her then a lady who is cover up would be.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 08:53 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

If a woman had her tits hanging out I assume that she wish males to looks at them and might be more open to males approaching her then a lady who is cover up would be.


...and if you had your dick hanging out we can only asume that an approaching female would cut the damn thing off.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 09:04 am
@Intrepid,
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...and if you had your dick hanging out we can only asume that an approaching female would cut the damn thing off.


Cute but beside the point and if a woman is going out in public dress to draw males attentions then it is silly for her to complain when males do look and even approach her as a result.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 09:44 am
@Intrepid,
I remember many many decades ago minding my on business siting at the student union when a very well build young lady where nice enough to pull her front zipper of her blouse down more every time I look in another direction.

After a short time I lean over and told her that I love her freckles(covering her breasts).

Now commenting on the breast freckles of a woman I did not know did not seem uncalled for as she had been going to some trouble to show them to me.

So a woman behavior is indeed a form of communication that men have a right to act on at least in this case to the degree of telling her that I was enjoying the sight of her freckles.
 

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