Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

The history of the definition of rape, the aims of some powerful interests in further changing the definition, and the aim to change how sex is practiced must be part of any full discussion of rape. You cannot ask the question "can an woman ask to get raped?" without being willing to discuss what is meant by rape, and what should be meant by the word rape, as without a working definition the question is nonsense. Firefly has of course not been willing to define rape.

Lord this never ending thread is coming back alive.............

the question is a long ways from being resolved...if not now at some point folks will be ready to make another stab at it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/biden-schools-must-prevent-sexual-violence/2011/04/03/AFlc5mYC_story.html?hpid=z4

This is what the Federal Government does, because we use it to funnel our money to programs they come in and demand the right to dictate how we live our lives. The federal government not only usurps the rights of the citizens but also other levels of government. This is expanding on the bad law as represented by hate crime laws. we have written into law that humans are separate and unequal classes, there are on one side the privileged which is everyone except straight white men, and then there is the only group that can be legally discriminated against, which is of course straight white men.

Lets hear a round of cheers for America, formerly a nation that aspired to good sense and fairness! What we have here is yet another reason to conclude that Obama is not up to the job.

One can only wonder what this woman need to do to ends up being lock away.

False rape charges again completely innocent men was not enough, arson, identity theft and resisting arrest, was not enough.

Now we are up to two attempt murderers it would seem.

An the beat go on...............................



Crystal Mangum is charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, inflicting serious injurySTORY HIGHLIGHTS
Police charge Crystal Mangum with assault with a deadly weapon
Mangum is being held in Durham County Jail in North Carolina
Five years ago, Mangum claimed three Duke lacrosse players raped her
Authorities later found no evidence the attacks occurred and charges were dropped
(CNN) -- The woman who accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape five years ago was arrested Sunday, suspected of stabbing her boyfriend, police said.

Officers responding to a call early Sunday about a stabbing at an apartment in Durham, North Carolina, found a 46-year-old man who had been stabbed in the torso, police said. He was taken to Duke University Hospital for treatment of serious injuries.

Officers later arrested the man's girlfriend, Crystal Mangum, 32, at a nearby apartment. She was charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, inflicting serious injury, police said.

Mangum was placed in the Durham County Jail without bond.

Officers said the stabbing occurred during an argument at the couple's shared apartment.

In March 2006, Mangum claimed to have been sexually assaulted by three players on the Duke lacrosse team while performing as a stripper for a team party.

North Carolina's attorney general later found no credible evidence that the attacks ever occurred and the charges were dropped.

The scandal, however, forced the cancellation of the men's lacrosse season that year and the resignation of team coach Mike Pressler. It also led to widespread criticism of Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, who was later disbarred for his handling of the case.

Mangum was arrested in February 2010 on attempted murder charges after a fight with her then-boyfriend. She was also accused of arson, identity theft and resisting arrest, among other charges.

CNN affiliate WTVD-TV reported the arrest happened after she set fire to a pile of the boyfriend's clothes while her children were at home.

In a June 2010 interview with the station, Mangum said her boyfriend had attacked her, and that her involvement in the Duke lacrosse case had influenced police handling of the case.

"I do feel that I am being unjustly treated because of preconceived notions about my character in the media," Mangum said at the time.

In December, a jury found Mangum guilty of child abuse in the case but could not agree on a first-degree felony arson charge, which could have resulted in a seven-year sentence, WTVD reported

You have posted great news hawk. I'm proud our administration is reacting to the shameful activities at Yale University.

Let's review Title IX



How does this apply at my local campus?



The 24 hour emergency telephones have a piercing blue light about 10 feet in the air. They are spaced about 200 yards apart all over the parking lot and campus buildings.
This is no frivolous expenditure; this is to combat the high incidence of assault at our nation's colleges and to ensure that students can safely travel to and from their classes; to and from their vehicles; daytime or nighttime.

To Joe Biden I say: "Well done!

All crime is a civil rights violation, so any category of crime made a civil rights violation is a means to support a special group being seen to need special protections. I also remain apposed to placing the majority of citizens (women) in the category of minority, as it make a mockery of the definition of minority. Assault should be considered equally, with out regard for who does it or who they do it to or the presumed motives for it. The laws are a subversion of democracy.

and an affront to the aspirations of equality, which many of us still have.

You're being ridiculous again. Nobody expects to have a 'planning session' etc etc... but if a woman says "No", and isn't listened to, then you can justifiably expect 'rape' to be the call. It doesn't matter if it's calm or violent - No is No. She could be drugged or drunk or scared or intimidated. If she doesn't want it, it shouldn't happen.

Most people would agree with that. What is not agreed to is that the lack of an enthusiastic yes without any perceived pressure is a sex crime, which is where the feminists are trying to drive to.

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So if she is drunk by her own actions it is up to her male partner to decide if she is in a state to consent or not and then perhaps face a trial with his freedom at stake over his judgment. All this without the hours of training a police officer received on how to judge a DUI case.

However if a woman had sex with a male under the influence she does not placed herself at similar risk.

Next she is scared or intimidated and this mean that the male need also to be a mind reader or at least an expert on the female mind and emotional states to decide if she might or might not be intimidated or scared.

When you go away from force or the threat of force or someone so out of it she is not functioning it mean that rape had occur when a woman stated it had occur and there is no real valid defend even after she had granted a clear consent at the time of the intercourse.

I wish I could understand your gibberish, but maybe it's a good think that I can't.

I guess so as you seem to wish for the right of any woman even after granting consent to cry rape at her whim.

No I don't, and I didn't say that. Not only can you not speak English well, you can't read it.

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That is your words not mind and as long as the male did not drug her, force her and did not threaten her then in the good old days there is no rape.

Now it seem that consent can be declare invalid and a rape had occur if in her mind hidden away from her partner she was in some manner intimidated by him or scared of him.

One man is in prison right now in the US because in the middle of the act of intercourse his partner change her mind and it took the guy over ten seconds to react and withdraw from her.

That how damn insane we are getting.

If she got drugged or drunk (even on her own) and a guy takes advantage of her at the end of the night without her consent or awareness, that's RAPE. He took without consent. And I don't care what your tiny brain thinks about this.

If a guy threatens her and she goes to bed with him because she's scared or intimidated, that's RAPE. She felt coerced into it and didn't willingly consent. People who threaten and intimidate know the effect they're having on the other person and it's DELIBERATE.

So if a woman who is not drunk take a man to bed who is drunk then she should go to prison for sexual assault?

If they are both equally under the influence only the man should bear the burden of being charge with a sex crime?

No one stated that he threaten her that would be rape under the old laws, but by your words all that is needed would be that she for whatever reason feel scare of him.

Maybe he was a big man and or she was alone with him far from other people and thereby feel intimidate and by your logic that would turn consensus intercourse as far as he was aware of at the time into rape.

No need for any bad acts on his part by your words as it all depend on her feelings not his actions.

I love the case of a West Point cadet who ended up facing a full court marshal even those there was no bad acts that I can see on his part.

After being at a party for some time he went into a back room and fell asleep by himself only to be awoken later by a female cadet who had jump into bed with him and started making love to him.

The next day when talking to her sister she was tease about now turning 18 and still being a virgin and that trigger regrets on her part and ended up with a full court marshal for him under the theory that she was too drunk to consent to sex.

Now this man was awaken from a sound sleep after drinking himself by this woman and yet it was his responsibility to judge how must she have been drinking!!!!!!!!

Sorry women need to act as adults and not placed the blame for their bad judgment on male sexual partners.

I agree with your last sentence and in your example, the authorities were in the wrong. Granted, given what you've outlined, that was a bogus charge, but rational people would have thrown that out. And yes, she shouldn't have made that charge.

Most drunk men can't perform in bed and many wouldn't refuse sex on any terms - what percentage of men would charge sexual assault?

"Maybe he was a big man and or she was alone with him far from other people and thereby feel intimidate and by your logic that would turn consensus intercourse as far as he was aware of at the time into rape."

I said it wasn't CONSENSUS... are you blind as well as stupid? Never mind - I don't want to talk to you anymore.