Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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I started this thread to discuss a particular issue--the tendency to blame the victim when a woman has been raped.

Why only women ? You blamed the man when he was raped.

Before you go off and sulk in the corner, respond to this :

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As of June 2009[update], 2,297,400 were incarcerated in U.S. prisons and jails. Using your 1in 10, this means 229,740 men were raped. Who was doing the raping ? There is a much higher incidence or rape perpetrated by men who have been in prison. As you are retarded, I hasten to explain this does not necessarily mean most women who are raped are raped by ex-cons. 89,000 is the absolute maximum the Libbies can stretch out of all possible scenarios to make women look pitiful. I don't know if you have done grade 5 maths, but it looks to me like you are out by a magnitude of over 2.5 times.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Most women dont want a woman boss...they find them too bitchy and prone to random mood swings.....no surprises there....they live in the emotional side of their brain roughly 50% of the time, compared to men who are about 90% in their logic side. This female adaptation is excellent for small group dynamics in a chimpanzee type tribe, but lousy in a alpha male position.

OMG!!! You must be a woman! Based on your definition.

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@hawkeye10,

I dont know what we were supposed to find in those horror stories.

1) That rape occurs

2) That men are imprisoned for rape

One story would have made the point. Horror after horror is just a sick mind feeding on detail.

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@Intrepid,

I am starting to feel genuinely sorry for you. No wonder nature has the system where the new learn and the old die. You are way past adapting. Make room for a baby somewhere, would you please ?

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

I am starting to feel genuinely sorry for you. No wonder nature has the system where the new learn and the old die. You are way past adapting. Make room for a baby somewhere, would you please ?

Sure. If you need more room. Take it.

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@Ionus,

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I dont know what we were supposed to find in those horror stories.

1) That rape occurs

2) That men are imprisoned for rape

One story would have made the point. Horror after horror is just a sick mind feeding on detail.

AGREE one rape story after another with AM getting off by emoting over them and attacking anyone who does not similarly emote over the stories that Firefly posted.

But men who had their lives ruin by false charges is of no concern and the punishment for misusing the legal system to that degree should at most be the same as filing a false report on a "lost" wallet or whatever.

Two hundreds thousands men being rape in prison is also no big deal.

Oh and if a dating couple go out drinking together and the woman regret the sex or can not even remember having the sex it is not her fault it is her likely equally under the influence male partner.

To sum up Firefly is one sick anti-male lady.

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@Ionus,

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Horror after horror is just a sick mind feeding on detail.

No, it was a calculated approach....flood the space with the horror of rape and leave no room for the discussion of policy. It is no different than putting starving African children on the screen and asking for donations...why the kids are starving, how many of them are there really, and what can we do to prevent this from happening are all questions our minds are not supposed to get to....at least until after we make the donation. Of course with the feminists what we are supposed to do about this horror is the point....we are supposed hand more power to the feminists and bash more men, it is the answer to every question with them.

Maybe we regret what we have done after all the laws have been changed and after the system is properly hammering men, like maybe after we make the donation for starving African babies we wonder what our $300 a year is actually doing, but turning the clock back is difficult to do in the case of law, and impossible to do with our wallet.

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@hawkeye10,

Yes those starving African children with the added information that the mother had already lost three or so children to starvation.

I talk to the TV set as in ok aiding that child is fine but you also need to flood the area with birth control for what the hell is the woman doing having baby after baby that end up starving to death?

You need to get the population and birth rate in line with the carrying capabilities of the area they are living in otherwise any help is only going to made the situation worst in the future.

Non-emotional thinking is more a male thing then a female thing so maybe that is why Firefly was so very shock that her emotional stories of rapes did not do the job she was hoping for on this thread.

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@BillRM,

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Non-emotional thinking is more a male thing then a female thing so maybe that is why Firefly was so very shock that her emotional stories of rapes did not do the job she was hoping for on this thread.

they did work for the most part, the feminists view on sexual relationship is more apposed by females than by males, and yet not a single female showed up to challenge the feminists agenda, or even call it into question. So long as only men speak up against the propaganda the feminists can use that objection coming from men only as an argument that men suck and need to be bashed. Firefly, Idiot Bill, Brooke and Intrepid all made that argument often. It is only when women show up to object to the feminist propaganda that the propaganda gets to be difficult to sell, and through her flooding this thread with the horror of rape Firefly kept the women silent, as women are trained to come to the aid of their sisters in pain and Firefly kept that pain front and center.

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@hawkeye10,

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as women are trained to come to the aid of their sisters in pain and Firefly kept that pain front and center.

Interesting viewpoint on female thinking however Hawkeye what about the fact that the men that need to be bashed by the law are also their sons, grandsons, brothers, uncles and male friends?

Firefly was not backward at all in her open lack of concerns for the harm done to males by females misusing the sexual laws as a weapon on this thread.

Does this sisterhood emotion override not only logic but the concerns about the welfare and fair treatments of all the males in their lives including sons?

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@BillRM,

A lot of the 60's era feminists were all for abusing males till they had sons. Then there was no way they were going to let some bitch mistreat their son like they wanted them to do to other women's sons.

Many Libbies had a sharp jolt into reality when they tried to get girls to play with train sets and boys to play with dolls. Suddenly they discovered all their feminist bullshit didn't work. We are hard wired into our sexuality and no amount of moaning about being a woman and blaming society and men will change anything.

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@BillRM,

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Interesting viewpoint on female thinking however Hawkeye what about the fact that the men that need to be bashed by the law are also their sons, grandsons, brothers, uncles and male friends?

Ever seen one of the surveys that says that Congress sucks but most people think their congressman is ok? Same thing. It will be some others woman's man who gets the hammer, not their man. Also, a large chunk of the feminist leadership is lesbian, and both they and the hetro leadership normally choose not not have kids, as kids would get in the way of the mission. European Feminists do tend to have kids and be less gay, which accounts for why they have day care , decent family leave policies on the job and dont do a lot of man bashing across the pond(from what I can see anyways). American feminists tend not to be in that many committed relationships with men, or have something that looks like a traditional family with boy children included so man bashing is not a problem for them personally. Those other women who do raise the issue get assured that no man will be bashed who does not deserve it, and while it is a lie it takes a while for this lie to become evident. The consequences of the radicalization of American feminism spread far..

While the Grizzlies tend to be conservative they also look a lot like the European feminists with their concern for the well being of families and men, two subjects American feminists don't have any interest in, though occasionally they will claim otherwise.

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@hawkeye10,

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Those other women who do raise the issue get assured that no man will be bashed who does not deserve it, and while it is a lie it takes a while for this lie to become evident.

Hawkeye I was not referring to the women in the movement but the bulk of women who live with a man and have or are raising children with a man.

Firefly openly talk about not only making the male of a dating pair completely liable for his own sexual actions under the influence of alcohol and also having the burden of protecting his partner from her own desires and actions under the influence.

So why can not the bulk of women not be able to picture their sons in college partying with some young lady who had been taught that it is always the male responsibility for sex and unhappy the next morning or the next week ruin their sons lives?

Also given the clear scientific studies that had been posted on this thread that anywhere from 20 plus percents to nearly half of all non-stranger rapes charges are false can women lurkers not also picture the results of some young woman getting even with their son by crying rape?

Last but not least how in the hell can Firefly so what attitude toward any degree of injustice to men fly with most women?

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye I was not referring to the women in the movement but the bulk of women who live with a man and have or are raising children with a man

Doesn't what you say account for the Feminists not being honest about what they are doing and where they want to go, because where they are attempting to drive the bus is not where most women want to go and they know it?? The feminists however have convinced themselves that given time, before we get there, they can work on women and get them to accept what is wanted. The dishonesty we see from Firefly is not an isolated event, it is standard operating procedure.

BTW, I picture firefly as a student of Mary Daly

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She argued in Gyn/Ecology for women to be the governors of men, against equality, and for reversal of power between the genders.

In an interview with What Is Enlightenment? magazine, Daly said, "I don't think about men. I really don't care about them. I'm concerned with women's capacities, which have been infinitely diminished under patriarchy. Not that they've disappeared, but they've been made subliminal. I'm concerned with women enlarging our capacities, actualizing them. So that takes all my energy."[18]

Later in the interview, she said, "If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Daly

She was a Lesbian in case you did not figure that out..

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@hawkeye10,

A bit of honesty from Susan Faludi in her 2006 preface to a new paperback addition of Backlash says

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We have used our gains to guild our shackles, but not break them
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The opponents of women's liberation are girding for the next assault by american women. They seem to believe that it will be an assault on the world as we know it. We can only hope that they are right

http://books.google.com/books?id=5I-qlHF3DskC&printsec=frontcover&dq=backlash+susan+faludi&source=bl&ots=AZnbW_eWlZ&sig=eOhxr8fr6sGMshPq4AIL3UOQOdQ&hl=en&ei=pvdMTdTqPIe4sAOSmJjuCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Of course this was before the great recession changed everything, as we now see the money drying up before our eyes like an African water hole in 100 degree heat, and as both men and women have bigger problems than the Utopian dreams of the feminists. And as men who find themselves very beaten up by both the economy and the legal system are less inclined to suffer in silence then the feminists would have hoped. Susan even this early however seemed to get that the main opposition that feminism faces is not from men, but it is from the conservative women that the feminists have worked so hard and so long to silence by shutting them out of the movement.

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@hawkeye10,

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Later in the interview, she said, "If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."[18]

We now have a very likely candidate for the true ID of Firefly!!!!! Rolling Eyes

One however can only wonder that even with an army of bull dikes and male traitors/fools how Mary/Firefly is going to kill us all off.

Perhaps there are females research scientists with a government grant now working on some deadly biology weapon that only will kill men.

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@BillRM,

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We now have a very likely candidate for the true ID of Firefly!!!!!

STUDENT OF Bill, as Mary passed last year, but you see what I am getting at I am sure.

The feminists were in big trouble before they latched on to the rape issue and went into partnership with the state, as the movement was dying as young women turned their back on the call to hate men. Now they have a steady stream of big money, have a excuse for hating men to sell that is close enough to the truth to get attention (as real rape does happen and is done by troubled men), and more importantly they have us men by the balls because they know that men like sex more than women, and that while women tend to enjoy soft and cuddly sex men tend to like pursuit and capture more. If the feminist have their way chasing skirts will go the way of chasing foxes through the woods of Merry Old England, which is to say first frowned upon and then it will be illegal.

Already we pretty much need to sign a contract with women before we begin the chase, and now that the state has decided that it has the right to invalidate a woman's consent it is just a matter of time before even that becomes iffy. Leave it to the feminists to make sex into a squalid no fun event where the police and snitches are constantly monitoring the coitus and every moment leading up to it to make sure that individuals (excuse me...I of course mean MEN!) are not doing any sin. I am not sure how they are going to deliver the weekly sexual morality lectures now that the churches are pretty much dead, but I am sure that they will figure something out. Everything old is new again!

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@hawkeye10,

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Defense attorneys, legal scholars and even some federal judges bemoan the prosecution and sentencing developments as draconian for failing to distinguish between hardcore producers of child pornography and hapless Web surfers with mental problems.

"It's not pretty," said the attorney Michael Whelan, who represents Budziak. "There are exceptions, but generally speaking most prosecutions are of a sorry individual with a bad habit."

Last year, U.S. District Court Judge Jack Weinstein of New York publicly blasted child pornography punishment when he rejected prosecutors call for a prison sentence of more than 11 years for Pietro Polizzi, a father of five caught with thousands of images on his computer. Weinstein reluctantly sentenced Polizzi, who claimed to have been repeatedly raped as a child in Sicily, to the mandatory minimum sentence of five years.

The judge said that Polizzi needs mental health treatment rather than incarceration and said he posed no risks to the community.

"Convincing evidence demonstrates that he presents no appreciable risk to any child or adult, but that he needs treatment for childhood based psychiatric problems," the judge said in a written statement last month explaining his sentence. Other judges have called on the U.S. Sentencing Commission to give them more flexibility in sentencing first-time offenders convicted of distributing child pornography.

For their part, prosecutors and child advocates such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children argue the harsh penalties are justified. They say that consumers of child pornography keep the trade alive.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/02/05/us/AP-US-Child-Porn-Prosecutions.html?hp

There are strong parallels between how we hammer child porn and how we handle sexual assault...In both cases the definitions have been changed to allow for the creation of a lot more criminals, in both case we tend to follow a lock them up and throw away the key policy no matter the specifics of the case, and in both cases we throw citizens into the penal system who should be handled in the public health system. This is the product of a criminal justice system that is failing to deliver either justice or good sense.

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The FBI predicts that the cases will only continue to grow as appeals courts approve their search and seizure methods. The convictions are expected to continue even though a federal judge shut down LimeWire after the recording industry sued the company for copyright infringement.

and like in sexual assault the ramp up in criminalization is far from finished, and the shift to police state tactics to trip up citizens is far from perfected, but is getting there.

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@hawkeye10,

I few comments first child porn being a billions of dollars business seem to be in question as it is my understanding that most child porn are traded either between collectors over social networks or P2P networks.

The porn being in large part either very old material dating back even before it became illegal or produce by some of the traders themselves.

Pay for websites in this material seem rare and are shut down in short order so where are the billions coming from??

No one had been allow to do independent academy research as those who had try to do so had ended on in courts charge themselves for having child porn so other then thin air where do they get these numbers from?

I also been using Google news to keep current on this subject as I am interest if law enforcement in running into encryption and if so what success or lack of same had law enforcement have in dealing with it. I found not one percent of the people who are doing this seem too had taken the trouble to used freely available encrypting tools for some strange reason.

In any case, there is one character that these people seem to have in common, for the most part and it is not being child molesters themselves but that most of these people tend to be useful citizens such a lawyers, police officers, firemen, doctors, military officers and in one amusing case an IT guy working for the FBI at their Washington headquarter.

UK seem to be far saner in at least grading the material and not having a minimum sentence of four years no matter how mild a picture is if it deal with someone one day younger then 18.

As I had said it is strange that in my state of Florida a 22 years old can have sex with his 16 years old girlfriend legally but can not have a naked picture of her.

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@BillRM,

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As I had said it is strange that in my state of Florida a 22 years old can have sex with his 16 years old girlfriend legally but can not have a naked picture of her.

this kind of perversion in societies control of sexual and erotic matters will continue to get worse and hoist increasing amounts of injustice upon citizens until we enact reforms. How much stupidity and injustice are Americans willing to tolerate in our attempt to purify Americas sexual practices?? IDK, but it might well be a lot.

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