Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

You act like her expectations are totally unreasonable. We? You have a mouse in your pocket do you? See, that's the thing Hawkeye. That is a lack of common courtesy. If you wanted to talk about a different topic the right and polite thing to do would be to start your own thread. A lack of common courtesy is a definite indication someone truly has no respect for another person or their views. If someone feels that way why would they even want to converse with you at all? Do you see what I mean?

How she goes so wrong when it comes to sexuality? Interface between individuals? What are you, a borg? Interface? She is going wrong when it comes to sexuality BUT you call it interface?

The problem with that is you seem to think people can do whatever they want to do and the heck with anyone else and that is not rational, not beneficial, and it sure is not good.

BTW, fireflie stating to you that you should follow the laws we have in place is not trying to force anything on you.

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! I knew it was too good to be true. You are no scourage upon humanity and you definitely are not evil and I agree with you 100%. Well, we do differ on one thing. I do think anyone that falsely accuses someone else of rape should get a bit stiffer punishment, but that's not a big issue to argue between me and you.

What we mainly differ on, Hawkeye, is how we view rape. I consider it a crime, and you have referred to it as "part of the sexual dance".

I do not consider rape to be any aspect of "sexual and relationship health"--and the fact that you make such an equation shows that you do not consider rape to be a violation of one person by another. By deeming it an aspect of "a relationship"--you infer that it involves some mutuality, that both parties contribute to the act of rape. No, Hawkeye, only one party commits the rape, by having non consensual sexual intercourse against the will of the other party. You must also be assuming that most rapes occur only within the context of an ongoing relationship, and apart from spousal rape and incest and possibly co-worker rape, most people may have little of any sort of a "relationship" with their rapist, if they even really know him at all. Although most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, that does not mean they are in a "relationship", Being raped by someone you just met in a bar or at a party hardly qualifies as having a "relationship". Rape is not a reflection of a dysfunctional relationship--it is an indication of lack of impulse control, and dysfunction, in the rapist.

Laws prohibiting rape are not an "assault on individual liberty"--unless one aspires to be a rapist and resents the fact that there are legal consequences to such behaviors.

And, if your idea of "moving off overt regulation and policing", means de-criminalizing rape, and allowing rapists to roam free in the community with no consequences for their actions, you show no regard for the welfare of society, or any appreciation of the often devastating effects of rape.

Then consider the rights of those who wish to refuse sexual contact. And advocate sexual behaviors that are engaged in only with the "freely willing knowing agreement" of the partner.

You certainly are willing to abuse the victim even more as she goes through the legal process. You resent the money alloted to rape crisis centers, and the idea of providing the victim with an advocate who can offer her support as she goes through the ordeal of helping to bring her rapist to justice.

And, you certainly do resent the rape shield laws which prohibit dragging the victim's entire past sexual history into court--you want to see her as embarrassed, and shamed, and humiliated, and discredited as possible--even though her past sexual history has absolutely no bearing on whether she was raped on a particular occasion. You've said, "If she was a slut, I want to know about that". That's exactly why we need rape shield laws, Hawkeye, because of people like you--people with double standards, who look down on women who enjoy their sexual freedom, but regard men who behave in similar ways as admirable studs, and people who would decide whether a woman was raped by looking at her past sexual history rather than considering the behavior of the man who is charged with rape and whether his behavior violated the law. Do you want the defendant's past sexual history dragged into the trial too, or do you just want the legal process to be as traumatic and brutal on the victim as possible?

I feel that no woman, or man, should be pressured into reporting a rape, or going through the legal progress, unless that is what they want to do. But, unlike you, Hawkeye, if they make that decision, I want to see that process be as supportive and compassionate as possible, with every effort made to minimize the ordeal for the victim as much as possible.

I do not agree that the way we currently deal with rape in our courts has been "a failure", as you see it, Hawkeye. We are holding rapists responsible for their actions. We do provide mental health services in our jails and prisons, although treatment for sexual offenses, whether offered in correctional institutions or outside of those institutions, is far from reliably effective. And I do believe the sexual assault laws serve a deterrent function and that is a significant factor as well. While you feel that convicting and incarcerating someone for rape is the state's "exacting vengeance" and "taking a pound of flesh", which reflects your compassion for, and possible identification with, the rapist, it might be nice if you demonstrated more compassion and understanding for the victim as well.

You feel that it does not help a rape victim to see her rapist brought to justice, Hawkeye, but that is not what most victims say when they hear their rapist pronounced "Guilty". Most often they feel relief because they now have a sense of closure, and they no longer feel powerless. The legal process helps to restore something to them that the rapist had taken, and victims verbalize such feelings all of the time, as seen in the many articles and news stories that have been posted in this thread.

Where we mainly disagree, Hawkeye, is that I view rape as a crime and you really don't. I want it treated as a crime, and you really don't.

Um, don't you mean YOU?

If he wants to be consistent, Hawkeye might find himself in the uncomfortable position of considering prison rape as not "real rape" because most rapes in prison do not require considerable physical force, they are effected mainly by coercion and intimidation, and Hawkeye doesn't consider coercion to be force--he thinks coercion is an aspect of all "normal" relationships.
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It seems that most everything that Hawkeye posts in based on his opinion and not on facts within the community. Be that the real world, prison or never, never land.

Can you imagine the world we would live in if those things that Hawkeye advocates were actually in place?

A kid asked me the other day why we have to have rules. I explained that we need rules to avoid chaos and the total lack of order that we all have come to expect.

Apparently, Hawkeye prefers chaos. His use of "real rape" is ridiculous. There are no degrees of rape. As you and others have repeatedly pointed out to him.....rape is rape.

there are many of us who have prevented Firefly,Brooke and Am from making this into a feminist propaganda thread....Bill, me, Ionus, Mysteryman, Art...probably some more that I have forgotten. I am not sure where the women are...but they probably figure that they would be shunned if they spoke up here...I dont take the silence of women in this thread when it comes to saying anything outside of the feminists talking points to mean anything more than that peer pressure works.

Werent you the clown whining about rough it was ? Going to take me to court, werent you ? What a sad pathetic little piece of **** you are...attributing your personality defects to others.
Why would you let facts interfere with your fantasies ?
I have never said that, fuckwit. You have said who cares if men are raped, it is women who must be protected. You dont care about rape victims, you are just a sad little dinosaur who cant change. You'er type will all be dead soon, what will women do for mindless minders then ?

Why do you pretend to care about rape victims ? It is obvious you care about nothing but being seen as a protector of women. Your ego is being served and you have picked a very nasty topic to do it in. But you don't care do you ? Just so long as you look good to women, that's all that matters to your pathetic little selfish mind.

You dismiss the rape of men as something to be sucked up and yet you whine like someone's little bitch about poor poor pitiful women. Boo, hoo.

No, but your senility is showing.

I don't even know what the feminist agenda is! I submit to my husband. He is the major breadwinner and major decision maker of this house. I believe that is how marriage should be because that is how God laid it out in scripture.

So stop accusing me of being part of some feminist group, agenda, etc. because you are FLAT OUT LYING!

You do realise you cant read, dont you sicko ? A major cause does not equal most women . Perhaps you can do a course somewhere that will explain that to you.

You have raised an interesting question...are you a prostitute ? Are you in league with the suspected child molesters on this thread ? Bitches like you should stick to walking the streets instead of promoting internet porn.

Pleading ignorance of the women's movement and its leaders...don't know if anyone but you would believe that bullshit. Let me guess...you are a lawyer...some of the sickest people you can meet have gone into law...they think if it is not illegal than they can do anything, especially when it comes to sex.

This is going to come as a complete shock to you bitch, but some one was doing the raping.

Look you unadulterated stupid bitch, who was doing the raping ? How many does that include ?

As of June 2009[update], 2,297,400 were incarcerated in U.S. prisons and jails. Using your 1in 10, this means 229,740 men were raped. Who was doing the raping ? There is a much higher incidence or rape perpetrated by men who have been in prison. As you are retarded, I hasten to explain this does not necessarily mean most women who are raped are raped by ex-cons. 89,000 is the absolute maximum the Libbies can stretch out of all possible scenarios to make women look pitiful. I don't know if you have done grade 5 maths, but it looks to me like you are out by a magnitude of over 2.5 times.

Exactly what organisation are you involved in ?

What happened to reclaim the night ? That was a great idea that got many militant lesbians murdered and raped.
You have to be ******* joking......the doddering old fool who thinks he is intrepid says it doesn't matter if men are raped. You also have sneered at men being raped. You are not here to do anything by highlight women need more power than it is reasonable to give them just to feel safe. Do you know what ? If you are a useless coward nothing will make you feel safe. If you are lesbian you will always be afraid of rape. If you are a complete bitch, you will laugh at men who are raped. You ask me if I was a pimp or a pornographer whilst you show signs of being into internet porn and helping child molesters enjoy rape stories.

You've convinced me you are a very hard nosed cynical using bitch who is using rape to further their own political agenda. As for anyone else, I don't have your level of arrogance so I will let them decide for themselves rather than clutch at their opinion like a drowning person would clutch at straws.

Show me in law where it says rape is an applicable punishment for a crime ?

The topic is a rather poorly phrased "hey can a woman ask to get raped ?" and it appears if they reclaim the night or go out with ex-cons then yes, they are asking.

Would you suggest we imprison everyone in their homes, make all men feel guilty and all women feel frightened in order to spare the risk of sexual assault ?

Your stupidity is extraordinary. There are degrees of rape.

Isnt there a bus timetable you can get confused over, you doddering old fool ?

What is wrong with some of you??????????????? Take a look at yourselves! Calling each other bitches, prostitutes, etc. This thread has become nothing but an outlet for anger and it's sickening! Personally, I'd love to see Robert lock it down before someone really does something they will regret.

It's a discussion! Is this how you treat your friends when they disagree with you? Are your egos so fragile they cannot handle someone saying they believe differently?

Adults should act like adults! Not spoiled children that call names. Makes you nothing but a bully!

OK, you are not member of the Libby Lobby, you are simply aiding and abetting them.

It was created in the last round of law reform, under the assumption that multiple levels of punishment would convince juries to convict, since sketchy cases could be assigned the lower level. At least the feminists were honest about this, that their point was to maximize the number of men that they lock up for rape. They could have given the lessor offense a different name but they are hung up on calling any sexual consent problem rape, and making sure that men take all the blame for it. They also could have pushed the sexual consent confusion/drunken sex cases into the public health system where they belong, but of course that did not happen.

So a woman can ask to get raped......

I am not going to respond to anymore of this. It has gotten way out of hand and I want nothing to do with the way some of you are treating others.