Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

The New York Times
February 1, 2011
Court Counselor Sentenced to Four Years for Sex Assaults
By JOHN ELIGON

A juvenile-justice counselor who almost got a no-jail plea deal last year in the sexual assaults of three young girls under his care was sentenced Tuesday to four years in prison, the maximum allowed, after a jury convicted him on sexual assault charges last month.

Before imposing her sentence, Justice Carol Berkman of State Supreme Court in Manhattan said that the case of the counselor, Tony Simmons, “cries out for the maximum.”

Mr. Simmons, 47, was acquitted of two counts of third-degree rape, but convicted of two counts of third-degree criminal sexual act, a felony on the same level as the rape charges. Jurors also convicted him of 10 misdemeanor sexual-abuse charges for preying upon two girls, ages 15 and 16, in the Family Court building in Lower Manhattan.

Mr. Simmons, looking disheveled in an untucked button-down shirt and yellow vest, simply shook his head “no” when Justice Berkman asked if he had anything to say before she passed sentence.

His lawyer, Gregory J. Watford, asked the judge to sentence him on the low end of the scale.

But Evan Krutoy, an assistant district attorney, said that Mr. Simmons deserved a harsh sentence for “gaming” the system.

“When you manipulate the system and then you lose, well, it seems to me that there’s a consequence that you have to factor in,” Mr. Krutoy said.

Last year, Mr. Simmons accepted a deal of 10 years’ probation in exchange for pleading guilty to the charges. But after outcries by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., and victims’ advocates, a judge in State Supreme Court in Manhattan withdrew the offer.

The judge, Justice Cassandra M. Mullen, said she took the deal off the table because Mr. Simmons had shown no remorse in interviews with the Probation Department and had even said that one of the girls had been flirting with him.
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Last year, Mr. Simmons accepted a deal of 10 years’ probation in exchange for pleading guilty to the charges. But after outcries by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., and victims’ advocates, a judge in State Supreme Court in Manhattan withdrew the offer.

The judge, Justice Cassandra M. Mullen, said she took the deal off the table because Mr. Simmons had shown no remorse in interviews with the Probation Department and had even said that one of the girls had been flirting with him.

. I know that guys get convicted of rape for coercion, that is all I need to know as am not defending them. I also know that the law is moving in that direction because smart people tell me so

Clearly we see here yet another woman lying...Judges really should try to resist the temptation to lie.

How do you know that "guys get convicted of rape for coercion" if you are ignorant of the exact state laws used to convict them, and how "coercion" is defined in those laws, and when these convictions took place

I suspect that they will be very slow to act here, as the Duke administration

this is that same argument you use when you say that those who are not feminist scholars can not talk about feminism. You are claiming that only the experts should be allowed to speak.

By all means, keep speaking. Keep displaying your ignorance

I feel no need to either defend nor demonstrate my knowledge of the subject matter.

Well Firefly it would seem you are to0 must of a coward to tell us all if you would like to see the laws change so men could be charge with rape for withdrawing or threatening to withdraw some form of support from a woman if she will not consent to having sex with him

To the extent that your sexual activities involve a partner, that partner has the right to draw boundary lines, based on consent, that you have no right to cross, even if you disagree with those lines, or resent them

So is a man who gain the consent from his girlfriend for sex under the threat of her being homeless just a jerk or is he a rapist under you ideal rape law Firefly?

And I'm sure you can find other selfish, adolescent, narcissistic men who will share such feelings.

Ionus seems to have little familiarity with the rape laws of Australia, where he lives. He has yet to cite a specific rape law from his country and explain exactly why he considers the law to be in need of change and what that change should be. Instead, his posts are mostly insults and put-downs of whatever others say and post, and they are heavily laced with vulgarities and blatantly sexism. That does not disguise his ignorance of the sexual assault laws of Australia, it simply allows him to display his boundless capacity for extreme nastiness.

YOU have children?

I would, therefore, have to assume that your hate is manifested in your need to consider that force is the only way to be intimate with a woman.

I consider what the law has already provided to be rape.

The fact that you refer to women as animals is quite telling of your sense of worth

The fact that you consider lying to require rational thought would also be fodder for the mental health profession.

You, sir, are the insult to woman and also an insult to the men of this world. At least the sane ones.

Seriously, what sane and rational person would want to have sex with anyone they had to pressure into it in any way?

Sane and rational people know the difference between rape and non-rape.

It is my opinion that any man or woman, for that matter, that must somehow force another person into having sex with them, is insecure and will scream the loudest when stricter laws concerning rape are spoken of.

Why would anyone be upset about a law if they have no intention of ever breaking it?

The ones that boast the loudest about how "good" they are........................were always the duds.

We have been discussing STATE laws.

While it is difficult to discern what your goal actually is, since you want to change laws you actually have no first hand knowledge