Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/28/legislation_seeks_stricter_state_rape_law_targets_fraud_and_deceit/

Legislation seeks stricter state rape law, targets fraud and deceit
Email|Print| Text size – + By Glen Johnson
Associated Press / February 28, 2008
A bill filed yesterday would expand the scope of the state's rape law, allowing prosecutors to bring charges against those who use fraud or deceit, not just physical force, to engage in sexual intercourse.

more stories like thisProponents said the existing law must be tightened after a Westfield man allegedly had sex with his brother's girlfriend while posing as his brother in a darkened room and after a Wilbraham pharmacist allegedly posed as a gynecologist and gave exams to two women.

The Supreme Judicial Court ruled last year that the Westfield man could not be convicted of rape because sex obtained through fraud is not a crime, and Hampden County prosecutors decided last month that they could not bring rape charges against the pharmacist for the same reason.

In its ruling last year, the state's highest court urged the Legislature to address the issue, a process begun this week.

"For far too long our state has inadequately served survivors of rape and sexual assault, yet based statute and common law on the dispelled myth that rape happens only at night, in a dark alley, at the hands of a stranger; this is not the case," said Representative Peter Koutoujian, Democrat of Waltham, who filed the bill.

Joining him at a press conference at the State House yesterday were Middlesex District Attorney Gerard T. Leone Jr. and Worcester District Attorney Joseph D. Early Jr.

"No continues to mean no; what this bill will ensure is that yes means yes," Leone said.

Koutoujian said the law would not ensnare so-called boasters, people who might brag of being a war veteran, a sports star, or something similar.

"This legislation is meant to target sociopaths," he said.

Nonetheless, Leone acknowledged that he expected the issue would be discussed by the Legislature, because the bill as drafted does not specifically exempt boasters by name.

It says, in its entirety: "Whoever has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse with a person having obtained that person's consent by the use of fraud, concealment, or artifice and who thereby intentionally deceived such person so that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life or any term of years. As used in this statute, `fraud' or `artifice' shall not be construed to mean a promise of future consideration."Leone said that fraud, concealment, and artifice have defined contexts in the courtroom and that any court hearing a boasting case would probably look at the Legislature's intent in passing the expanded rape definition before deciding whether charges were warranted.

In addition, the final sentence would exempt those who obtained sex by, for example, promising to marry someone or give them a role in a movie.

Amid a series of questions from reporters, Koutoujian said prosecutors would consider societal norms, adding, "I don't know a norm of society right now that would bring those up for a charge of rape." He immediately added, "We can never say never."

One supporter of the bill - Mary Lauby, executive director of Jane Doe Inc., a support service focused on ending domestic violence and sexual assault - said it also shifts legal thinking from long-held concerns rooted in property law or defendants' rights to those more oriented toward victims and nonphysical threats.

"Neither of those serve us in the universe I live in," she said of property or defendant rights.

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@BillRM,

Abortion is another area where the state is determined to run over the citizen, in spite of Roe v Wade. Very tellingly the feminists seem to have given up the fight, and we now see Abortions become more difficult and more traumatic to get. The feminists are 0-2 in standing up for the american citizen against the state...

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Away from Washington, another ominous anti-abortion battle is accelerating in the states. Anti-abortion forces have been trying to take advantage of the 2007 ruling in which the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on a particular method of abortion.

In 2010, more than 600 measures were introduced in state legislatures to limit access to abortion and some 34 secured passage, according to tallies by Naral Pro-Choice America and the Center for Reproductive Rights. November’s elections made the outlook even bleaker.

Twenty-nine governors are considered solidly anti-abortion, up from 21 before the election. In 15 states, both the legislature and the governor are anti-abortion, compared with 10 last year. This math greatly increases the prospect of extreme efforts to undermine abortion access with Big Brother measures that require physicians to read scripts about fetal development and provide ultrasound images, and that impose mandatory waiting periods or create other unnecessary regulations.

Such restrictions, combined with a persistent atmosphere of intimidation and violence, have taken a grievous toll on the fundamental right protected by Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision that recognized a woman’s constitutional right to make her own child-bearing decisions. Eighty-seven percent of counties have no abortion provider, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/opinion/30sun2.html?hp

I predict that not working to safeguard this Constitutional Right (given that SCOTUS affirmed it) will be in the future be seen as one of the great blunders perpetrated by the radicals after they took over the feminist movement. However, they seem to be accumulating a lot of blunders now.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye the Feminist like Firefly does not wish to empower women in any way or in any manner.

They instead wished the state to become big daddy/big sister to them in order to protect them from both themselves and of course evil men.

The last few posts of mine showing how the state is now been given the power to break up marriages even against the strong express wishes of both the men and the women is just one small part of this. Hell one police officer deciding to follow the letter of his instructions on domestic violence can cause a chain reaction that turn a minor event into a force divorce.

In any case the very worst outcome for the Fireflies of this world would be women being view as full adults with no special protections as the only way of granting specials protections is by taking women rights away from them.

Even the most basic rights as to deciding who they will live with and form a family with.

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@hawkeye10,

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Your insistence that the law is wholly and fully your interpretation of what is written down in words is a dictators approach to law...
Pay particular attention to the mention that courts, legislatures and the police are all part of the law

Again, because of your sloppy thinking, you fail to correctly interpret the meaning of words. The courts, legislatures, and police, are part of the legal system--they are not "the law".

We have a system of very carefully written laws, and the exact wording of those laws is very important, particularly in the case of sexual assault/rape laws.

If you are arrested for violating a law, the police inform you of the precise law you are accused of having broken, as will the D.A.s when they charge you with a transgression of that law. They do not engage in a discussion of legal philosophy, or academic musings regarding interpretations of the law, they simply charge you with a violation of a specific state statute, like rape in the 1st degree.

Rape is a criminal act, as defined in the statutes of all 50 states. Those sexual assault laws provide a common frame of reference when discussing the crime of rape and ensure that we are all discussing the same action. Without that specific common definition, provided in a state statute, the discussion becomes incoherent because it no longer has a common focus. And that has certainly been true of your overly nebulous ramblings that demonstrate your lack of familiarity with the specific state laws, and your confusion about what they actually contain.

You confuse rape shield laws, which are part of the rules of evidence in criminal trials, with the actual criminal sexual assault laws of a state. You refer to "levels of consent" in sexual assault laws, when no such levels exist, and when, in fact, the definition of rape in the 3rd degree in your state, Washington, hinges on a lack of consent. And you cannot state a valid reason you disagree with the actual sexual assault laws of your state--despite 376 pages of carping about them--that actually refers to the specific wording of those laws.

So, what you have effectively demonstrated is your ignorance and inability to deal with reality. The reality of those sexual assault laws resides in their exact wording--that is what defines the crime of a rape in a particular state. That is the crime we have been discussing--not what you think rape is, or should be, it is the actual, real life, current crime of rape. What you would be arrested and tried for, if you were charged with a crime of rape.

You attempt to varnish over your ignorance with your continued diatribes about bogeymen "feminists", in such an obsessive manner, that it truly suggests you have psychiatric problems. You have even repeatedly referred to me as "a feminist", despite my having said I do not consider myself a member of such a group, I am not conversant with their literature, and have posted no feminist position opinions in this thread. Again, that shows your inability to function within the bounds of reality. Your obsessions dictate that reality must bend to accommodate them, and, hence, your thinking reflects the distortions found in those with significant psychiatric problems. The only thing you have convinced me of in this thread is that you are paranoid, feel quite inadequate as a man, are overly concerned with power issues, need increasingly deviant sexual outlets to obtain sexual satisfaction, and try to blame all the sources of your misery on an ill-defined scapegoat you call "feminists" or "rape feminists" who you accuse of all sorts of covert actions which you claim are unbeknown to the rest of the public. You are a classic paranoid with somewhat diffuse delusions.

You lament that your views are rejected at A2k because they are "unpopular". That is a rather simplistic conclusion on your part, probably because you fail to appreciate how your posts sound to more rational readers. You have repeatedly been labeled as "sick" by many here at A2k, and not without reason. That you are unable to consider such feedback, and instead respond with renewed grandiosity, shows just how out of touch you are with what people are actually responding to in your statements. Your typical response to such comments is generally a rather juvenile insult--you attack the "masculinity" of male posters, accuse the females of being "man-hating" or "lesbians" and, of course, "feminists", and you call people "liars" when their remarks indicate no attempts at deceit. You display your anger, but absolutely no insight into yourself or how you impress others. They are all wrong, but you know you're right. You're the lone voice of "truth" crying into the wilderness. Sure, Hawkeye, sure. See yourself as some sort of martyr, rather than a nut, or a crackpot, or a narcissist concerned only with his own self interest and self gratification, or an inadequate male who is lost in a world where women have gained increasing power.

You have used a thread about rape to pump up your fragile sense of your own "masculity" by displays of sexism, misogyny, and attacks of all sorts on women and women's issues, along with your half-baked pseudo-sociological analyses of alleged gender power struggles and your view of rape as being "part of the sexual dance" or an aspect of "intimate relationships". You are a rape denier and a rape apologist, and you have told us you would ignore the rape laws if they got in the way of your own satisfaction. That you compared such an unabashedly selfish violation of criminal law to the selfless acts of civil disobedience by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., shows just how distorted your thinking is.

So, by all means, Hawkeye, continue to post in this thread. Continue to display your ignorance and your pathology. Continue to exchange sexist and misogynist comments with your dimwitted sidekick, BillRM. Continue to ramble about irrelevancies, and your various "theories", and your obsession with "feminists".
You need this sort of platform, in the safe anonymous darkness of cyber-space, because, without it, I suspect you have very little going for you...

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@firefly,

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Again, because of your sloppy thinking, you fail to correctly interpret the meaning of words. The courts, legislatures, and police, are part of the legal system--they are not "the law".

We have a system of very carefully written laws, and the exact wording of those laws is very important, particularly in the case of sexual assault/rape laws.

Playing games once more as it is and always had been the total system not just the laws as on the books.

In my state for example it is still illegal to live in sin even if that law is a dead letter because of courts rulings and other social changes over the years.

You can in fact go to jail for dong so in theory at least by the law as written and never removed.

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@firefly,

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You need this sort of platform, in the safe anonymous darkness of cyber-space, because, without it, I suspect you have very little going for you...

Would you like to share what the hell you have going for yourself Firefly as unlike Hawkeye and myself and most others here you had share zero about your own private life?

That is your right without question but attacking others on the basic of their private lives without sharing your show one hell of a lack of class and guts.

Talking about hiding behind the anonymous of the internet!!!!

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We have a system of very carefully written laws, and the exact wording of those laws is very important, particularly in the case of sexual assault/rape laws.

In connect with how laws are written and the enforce the rape by fraud laws that people are now trying to get pass as written could mean that anyone who lied about his social position or a million other things during a courtship could end up in prison for twenty years for rape.

Those who are trying to get those laws on the books are stating that they will never never be used in such a manner even if just reading them it seem clear that they could be used in such a manner.

I also assume that no one when passing the child porn laws foreseen them being apply again 17 years olds girls sending cell phone pictures to their boyfriends.

Careful written laws my ass.

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@BillRM,

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Three Felonies A Day:
How The Feds Target The Innocent by Harvey A. Silverglate
July 1, 2010 by Bob Livingston

This is a timely book about the breakdown of the rule of law in the United States.

Individual freedom and the rule of law is gone in America. Oh, they haven’t come for you yet? You haven’t broken the law? Well, Harvey Silverglate proves in Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent that the Feds (U.S. prosecuting attorneys) target the innocent. He says the, “federal prosecutors are abusing their power by using the criminal law to prosecute law abiding citizens…” They are seizing illegal power by twisting marginal and highly questionable interpretations of criminal law.

Silverglate believes that we are in danger of becoming a society in which prosecutors alone become judges, juries and executioners because the threat of high sentences make it too costly for even innocent people to resist the prosecutorial pressure.

Federal judgeships are drawn largely from U.S. prosecuting attorneys simply because they enforce the system upon citizens. They ensure that all cases are decided for the government agenda.

The pattern is to intimidate all criminally charged defendants today to plead guilty to “reduced” charges rather than risk a trial with the threat of draconian sentences in the implied event of a conviction. No trial? This means that the Federal prosecuting attorney is the judge and the jury.

Unless we have missed the point here, all Americans are now subject to entrapment. Innocence or guilt has nothing to do with a judiciary gone wild.

You can commit a Federal crime in America and not even know it. People are targeted and a crime is found to fit.

Silverglate writes, “it is only a slight exaggeration to say that the average busy professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, takes care of personal and family obligations and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she likely committed several Federal crimes that day.” Why?

The answer lies in the huge volume of Federal criminal laws which are broad and impossibly vague. They have become dangerously disconnected from English common law tradition.

There is a crime for all of us. Currently there are 4,450 listed criminal offenses. These listed Federal offenses have exploded well beyond the statute books and into the morass of the Code of Federal Regulations, giving Federal prosecutors thousands of additional vague, complex and technical prohibitions removed from congressional authority or any authority but the Federal prosecutors themselves.

Will citizens ever understand the danger posed to civil liberties when our normal daily activities expose us to potential prosecution at the whim of a government official?

Silverglate writes, “No field of work, all corporate officers, all social classes are not safe from this illegal and unconstitutional executive and judicial overreach and social control.

“When every citizen is vulnerable to prosecution and prison, then there is no effective counterweight to reign in government overreaching in every sphere. The hallowed notion of a government of laws becomes a cruel and cynical joke.”

What we write about here is the exact Soviet system and evil empire that Americans have been taught to hate.

All we have to do now is remove the mask of “democracy” to view our modern American Soviet system.

It is also the exact same old English Star Chamber system that early Americans fought to escape in the Revolutionary War with England. The English Star Chamber was abolished in 1641. It was Royal oppression with corporal punishment using torture, mutilation and life imprisonment. It met in secret whereas today the Federal judiciary uses esoteric language to subvert the intent of the law. It is more “benevolent” but just as wicked.

http://www.personalliberty.com/suggested-reading/three-felonies-a-day-how-the-feds-target-the-innocent-by-harvey-a-silverglate/

About 95% of cases are now plea bargained, and the DA's will often straight up tell you that they load up on charges and twist law to create new charges so that they will have a stronger position to get a plea that includes harsh penalization of the accused...that the charges were never formulated with the expectation that they would need to be proven in court. The DA's get away with this because the legislatures participate in the scam, by purposefully writing law vaguely so that the words in statute can be used to maximum effect by DA's. These laws HAVE been carefully written, but for a purpose that is 180 degrees off what Firefly would have you assume and believe.

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@firefly,

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So, by all means, Hawkeye, continue to post in this thread

WOW! it only took you 377 pages but you have finally allowed me my right to post!!

How so very wide of you.......

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@hawkeye10,

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You can commit a Federal crime in America and not even know it. People are targeted and a crime is found to fit.

On my home computer I “might” just have a free software program that would allow me to ripped copy protested DVD movies that I OWN and then placed them on my netbook hard drive to enjoy when traveling. Such a program would be nice to have as my netbook does not have a build in DVD player.

In theory by my understanding even having such software could turn one into a federal felon.

I know of no cases of anyone being prosecuted for this “crime” who used such tools for non-commerce and non-pirate reasons but if the government was out to find a reason to charge you with a crime that should do nicely.

That is just one example of millions of people who are open to a federal charge and most not even knowing it.

Of course should such an evil evil program exist on my computer no one is going to get by my protections to find out for sure.

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@hawkeye10,

Another example if you ran a red light and then lied to the Washington DC federal traffic cop about doing so in theory it is also my understanding that you could be charge with a federal felony.

Everyone keep that in mind if the government might be looking for some reason to charge you and your are visiting our capital.

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@BillRM,

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I know of no cases of anyone being prosecuted for this “crime” who used such tools for non-commerce and non-pirate reasons but if the government was out to find a reason to charge you with a crime that should do nicely.

The point is thought that in America now if the state wants to hold you or at least gain access to dig through your life looking for dirt so that they can get you all they need to do is find a charge to throw at you, which is easy to do. In the meantime they can disrupt your life so fully as to make it impossible for you to live your life. Given how poorly law is written and how much leeway Judges have given the state to look for dirt on citizens, if the state wants you it will most likely get you.

We all have trusted that that the state will only go after the other guy, who is almost certainly a bad guy, so we have not been too concerned. THis shows us how deeply education in America has failed, because once one is familiar with history any damn fool will quickly see that once the state or dictator is given the keys to the jails and the ability to trangress upon the citizens they never willingly give this up, and it is only a matter a time before they come for you, your friends or members your family unjustly.

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@hawkeye10,

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The point is thought that in America now if the state wants to hold you or at least gain access to dig through your life looking for dirt so that they can get you all they need to do is find a charge to throw at you. In the meantime they can disrupt your life so fully as to make it impossible for you to live your life. Given how poorly law is written and how much leeway Judges have given the state to look for dirt on citizens, if the state wants you it will most likely get you.

AGREE

And this is nothing new remember the Nixon enemies list and if memory serve me correctly even Kennedy had a list if a great deal shorter the Nixon.

If you have a license such as a broadcast license and annoy the powers to be it was not unknown for the FCC to end up looking far more carefully into any complains as the IRS is doing a tax audit.

I assume this kind of thing go back to the founding of the country starting with the passing of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

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@BillRM,

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And this is nothing new remember the Nixon enemies list and if memory serve me correctly even Kennedy had a list if a great deal shorter the Nixon

I am more concerned that the courts uphold our rights, like to abortion and to smoke, and then looks the other way as the state works to make them in theory possible to do but in reality impossible to do. And that the courts look the other way when corporate corruption destroys the liberty of the American Citizen, though the courts asinine theory that money is free speech and that corporations are citizens. THIS is the institution that is going to protect American liberty?? REALLY??

DAvid is correct, it will be guns and revolt from the citizens that protects our liberty, it will not be the courts. I have no faith in the government in total because I can see with my own eyes how corrupted it is, and I have no faith in the courts to look after my interests because the courts routinely fall down on the job. I certainly have no interest in allowing the state to criminalize vast swatches of sexuality, the state has no business doing so and has not even come close to showing the required competence to do so even if I thought that it had this right. The state is very good at rounding people up and putting them in jail, as shown by our sky high penal population rate. Performing justice though.......not so much.

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@hawkeye10,

Keep posting...but let me repeat...

Rape is a criminal act, as defined in the statutes of all 50 states. Those sexual assault laws provide a common frame of reference when discussing the crime of rape and ensure that we are all discussing the same action. Without that specific common definition, provided in a state statute, the discussion becomes incoherent because it no longer has a common focus. And that has certainly been true of your overly nebulous ramblings that demonstrate your lack of familiarity with the specific state laws, and your confusion about what they actually contain.

You confuse rape shield laws, which are part of the rules of evidence in criminal trials, with the actual criminal sexual assault laws of a state. You refer to "levels of consent" in sexual assault laws, when no such levels exist, and when, in fact, the definition of rape in the 3rd degree in your state, Washington, hinges on a lack of consent. And you cannot state a valid reason you disagree with the actual sexual assault laws of your state--despite 376 pages of carping about them--that actually refers to the specific wording of those laws.

So, what you have effectively demonstrated is your ignorance and inability to deal with reality. The reality of those sexual assault laws resides in their exact wording--that is what defines the crime of a rape in a particular state. That is the crime we have been discussing--not what you think rape is, or should be, it is the actual, real life, current crime of rape. What you would be arrested and tried for, if you were charged with a crime of rape.

You attempt to varnish over your ignorance with your continued diatribes about bogeymen "feminists", in such an obsessive manner, that it truly suggests you have psychiatric problems. You have even repeatedly referred to me as "a feminist", despite my having said I do not consider myself a member of such a group, I am not conversant with their literature, and have posted no feminist position opinions in this thread. Again, that shows your inability to function within the bounds of reality. Your obsessions dictate that reality must bend to accommodate them, and, hence, your thinking reflects the distortions found in those with significant psychiatric problems. The only thing you have convinced me of in this thread is that you are paranoid, feel quite inadequate as a man, are overly concerned with power issues, need increasingly deviant sexual outlets to obtain sexual satisfaction, and try to blame all the sources of your misery on an ill-defined scapegoat you call "feminists" or "rape feminists" who you accuse of all sorts of covert actions which you claim are unbeknown to the rest of the public. You are a classic paranoid with somewhat diffuse delusions.

You lament that your views are rejected at A2k because they are "unpopular". That is a rather simplistic conclusion on your part, probably because you fail to appreciate how your posts sound to more rational readers. You have repeatedly been labeled as "sick" by many here at A2k, and not without reason. That you are unable to consider such feedback, and instead respond with renewed grandiosity, shows just how out of touch you are with what people are actually responding to in your statements. Your typical response to such comments is generally a rather juvenile insult--you attack the "masculinity" of male posters, accuse the females of being "man-hating" or "lesbians" and, of course, "feminists", and you call people "liars" when their remarks indicate no attempts at deceit. You display your anger, but absolutely no insight into yourself or how you impress others. They are all wrong, but you know you're right. You're the lone voice of "truth" crying into the wilderness. Sure, Hawkeye, sure. See yourself as some sort of martyr, rather than a nut, or a crackpot, or a narcissist concerned only with his own self interest and self gratification, or an inadequate male who is lost in a world where women have gained increasing power.

You have used a thread about rape to pump up your fragile sense of your own "masculity" by displays of sexism, misogyny, and attacks of all sorts on women and women's issues, along with your half-baked pseudo-sociological analyses of alleged gender power struggles and your view of rape as being "part of the sexual dance" or an aspect of "intimate relationships". You are a rape denier and a rape apologist, and you have told us you would ignore the rape laws if they got in the way of your own satisfaction. That you compared such an unabashedly selfish violation of criminal law to the selfless acts of civil disobedience by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., shows just how distorted your thinking is.

So, by all means, Hawkeye, continue to post in this thread. Continue to display your ignorance and your pathology. Continue to exchange sexist and misogynist comments with your dimwitted sidekick, BillRM. Continue to ramble about irrelevancies, and your various "theories", and your obsession with "feminists".
You need this sort of platform, in the safe anonymous darkness of cyber-space, because, without it, I suspect you have very little going for you...

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@firefly,

Excellent post! Accurate, concise and astute Exclamation

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@firefly,

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You lament that your views are rejected at A2k because they are "unpopular

I do? They are? That's news to me....My point was that popularity of views has no place in discovery of the truth, and that unpopular views must be allowed to be spoken, and that I am not much concerned with whether my views are popular only in whether they are right or not.

Are you not paying attention or are you rather lying yet again in the attempt to press your agenda?? I am not sure, either way though I am not much you interested in your personal opinion of me.

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@hawkeye10,

In answer to whether they are right or not. They are not.

It seems that you consider everybody to have an agenda. Your paranoia goes beyond excessive and compulsive. You consider anyone who disagrees with you to be a liar.

I am beginning to wonder whether the 10 after your hawkeye refers to you IQ.

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@Intrepid,

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You consider anyone who disagrees with you to be a liar.

I tend to assume that everyone who continually spouts "information" that can be documented as false, and who keeps doing a song and dance about how smart they are and how dumb everyone who does not agree with them are, a liar. Passing off the words that dont reflect truth as ignorance only works to a point.

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@firefly,

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Rape is a criminal act, as defined in the statutes of all 50 states. Those sexual assault laws provide a common frame of reference when discussing the crime of rape and ensure that we are all discussing the same action. Without that specific common definition, provided in a state statute, the discussion becomes incoherent because it no longer has a common focus. And that has certainly been true of your overly nebulous ramblings that demonstrate your lack of familiarity with the specific state laws, and your confusion about what they actually contain.

Once more thanks to your pressure group mainly, rape laws are now in a state of fluke in most states as Hawkeye had point out any numbers of times.

Rape by Fraud is new for example and is on only a few states books with very few courts rulings/precedents concerning it. Some of the very lawmakers who created these statutes had stated that the courts are unlikely to interpreted it literally or as you love to say as written!!!!!!!

So why do you stop playing words games and start addressing the issue and no the wordings of any law is not the whole story or even half the story as legal precedents over decades of times had at least as must to do with the matter.

As far as laws on the whole being written carefully you got to be kidding me as the higher courts are constantly being kept very busy indeed trying to made sense out of the laws as written and the inactions between laws.

So I suggest you stop trying to blind people with bullshit.

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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