Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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She was on the grounds of her high school, had just left a dance, and had to call her father to come pick her up

This would be the same father who never picked her up right??

I am not sure that we know this call was ever made, because we know that she ditched the dance early but we dont know that she made a call. Some reports are that she went to the location where her dad was planning to pick her up, but this is kinda strange because the whole reason this rape went on so long is because it is highly secluded. It is not near any of the parking lots, and the only road near is the dead end on Pine AVE. This is about the last place on campus anyone would be waiting for a ride, and what happened to her ride if it had been called? I dont think she ever called, I think she ditched knowing that she had a few hours before she was expected to call dad, never called dad, and that when she never called her dad called her where upon one of the guys answered her phone and told him what a good **** his daughter was. It does not appear that dad was all that concerned, because it was not he who called the cops, nor do we have any information that he was on his way to look for her. Was he not surprised that daughter was getting fucked because she does this regularly?? I for one would like to know.

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SHE DID NOT ASK TO BE GANG RAPED AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED

That is very likely true. It is very likely that justice demands some jail time for these young men. There is no way in hell that a life term is justified, and the prosecutor who is demanding it should be ashamed of himself.

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@hawkeye10,

She hadn't called her father. She had left the dance and was walking outside, with the intention of calling her father, when one boy she did know called her over to where they were drinking. So, she began drinking with the group and that call to her father never got made because she became drunk and was raped. And she might have become intoxicated rather rapidly because I think I read she has a rather small build. That alone might have blurred her judgment about how much she continued to drink after she became tipsy. I think I also read that she was not an experienced drinker. But none of this is relevant to the rape. That she wound up extremely drunk is not in dispute. And she might have gotten extremely drunk relatively rapidly. But she was raped. This was not consensual.

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Was he not surprised that daughter was getting fucked because she does this regularly?? I for one would like to know.

Why would you want to know that? What bearing does it have on what happened to her that night?

That's why we need, and have, rape shield laws--a victim's past sexual history is not a relevant factor in whether she was raped on a particular night.

This was a RAPE. Everyone involved in the case--including the defense-- knows it's a RAPE. All the legal maneuvering, on both sides, is probably more about potential plea deals than anything else.

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@firefly,

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She hadn't called her father. She had left the dance and was walking outside, with the intention of calling her father, when one boy she did know called her over to where they were drinking. So, she began drinking with the group and that call to her father never got made because she became drunk and was raped.

that would be my guess, and I also know that you contention is that she had not been drinking before she met up with the guys.....so you are saying that she went to sober to too drunk to remember to call dad in how many minutes?? She was out there for what over four hours before the cops came??

I think my theory is much more plausible, that she had no intention of calling dad for hours, and got to drunk and too busy with sex to ever get it done.

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That's why we need, and have, rape shield laws--a victim's past sexual history is not a relevant factor in whether she was raped on a particular night

Of course it is relevant, because if she went out there and started drinking with the guys because she wanted sex then we have reason to assume that she indicated to the guys that she wanted sex, either through words or actions. These guys are charged under law designed to address violent sexual assault as part of gangland war, if we are instead looking at guys going to far with a female who pursued them for sex than I certainly think that the difference in motivation behind the event matters. I for damn sure want to know why she went out to them, why she started drinking with them, and what she wanted from them before I lock these young men up for life.

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@firefly,

He wants to know because it probably excites him. Pathetic jerk that he is.

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@hawkeye10,

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The victim, a 16-year-old girl, was helping out with the dance and had been given a walkie-talkie.She was supposed to call her father on her cell phone after the dance ended but never did, Kaiser testified. Her dad became worried and called her phone but there was no answer.Finally, someone picked up – but not the girl. The voice was that of a male, who made sexual comments about the man’s daughter, Kaiser testified.Police responded to the school after receiving a report of a naked girl on the campus, Kaiser testified. When Kaiser arrived at the secluded area of the campus where the rape occurred, he shined his flashlight and saw a group of males scatter. He saw the victim under a picnic table, unconscious, with her dress pulled up, he testified. She had abrasions on her back, he said.He said her skin looked pale and clammy, and he initially thought she was dead. When he shook her, however, she moaned. On the picnic table, he found the girl’s student ID card and the walkie-talkie, Kaiser said

http://www.fugitive.com/archives/31386

I guess not only was she too drunk to remember to call dad, but she also forgot to use her walkie-talkie to call for help. But here is the thing, she claims that she was going to go home because she was bored, not telling a single friend mind you, so why did she still have the squawk box? Maybe because she is lying...that she was never going to call dad, that she was bored so she decided to go party with the guys for awhile and then get back to help later. What else might she be lying about?? Lets think...How about that she took a single drink of brandy and does not remember anything after that?? She had a .35 blood alcohol level but she was out after one drink? No way. And how did she get all that alcohol in her because reports are that there was a single bottle at the scene, and unless she drank it all and did not share that one bottle was not going to do it. This handy dandy calculator says that if you assume that she is 120 LB that she would need 9 shots in 2 hours to get her where she was, and there are only 17 shots in a fifth.
http://www.healthstatus.com/cgi-bin/calc/calculator.cgi
This is one serious drinker, I must say. SHe has practiced.

Me thinks that the reports that she had been drinking earlier are correct, and that this female is lying about what she drank that day along with everything else.

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@hawkeye10,

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According to police, the 15-year-old who was attacked, left her high school dance Oct. 24 and was expected to meet her father. He was looking for her while the attack took place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/08/richmond-gang-rape-911-ca_n_350209.html

It does a pretty good job of blowing our confidence in the police when they are completely wrong. We know that she was never going to call dad, and dad did not get to the school until after midnight as his daughter was getting loaded into the ambulance. Maybe the boys and girls in blue should keep their mouths shut until the facts are known in order to prevent the poisoning of the jury pool with hearsay that turns out to be not only prejudicial but also false.

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@Intrepid,

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He wants to know because it probably excites him. Pathetic jerk that he is.

Seriously, y'know? I mean, damn! I've been reading the stuff blindeye has been barfing here... and you'd better believe I wouldn't allow him 2 minutes unsupervised with any minor females. Puke!!!!

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@firefly,

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That's why we need, and have, rape shield laws--a victim's past sexual history is not a relevant factor in whether she was raped on a particular night.

This was a RAPE. Everyone involved in the case--including the defense-- knows it's a RAPE. All the legal maneuvering, on both sides, is probably more about potential plea deals than anything else.

BULLSHIT if she had history of taking willing part in group sex that sure the hell would for example relate to how likely she was rape or not rape that night.

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@snood,

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Intrepid wrote:

He wants to know because it probably excites him. Pathetic jerk that he is.

Seriously, y'know? I mean, damn! I've been reading the stuff blindeye has been barfing here... and you'd better believe I wouldn't allow him 2 minutes unsupervised with any minor females. Puke!!!!

I think I would keep the animals close by as well.

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@Intrepid,

Lord if there is a god then some unstable woman who you had piss of in one way or another will sooner or later file false rape charges on your ass.

So you can enjoy being guilt until proven innocent and even then have people wonder for the rest of your life.

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@BillRM,

Here once more is the kind of **** any male could face and more then likely without a video to defend yourself. Take note how damn convicting that woman happen to be.

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@hawkeye10,

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Me thinks that the reports that she had been drinking earlier are correct, and that this female is lying about what she drank that day along with everything else.

Keep blaming the victim...

There was considerably more than one bottle from an alcoholic beverage found at the scene, and there were various kinds of alcohol.

I don't think the girl even weighed 120 pounds. From what I've read, she is rather small--in stature and build. Brandy on an empty stomach could make her tipsy rather quickly. Then her judgment about how much, and how rapidly, she was drinking could have become poor, leading her to continue drinking even when she was becoming ill. That's what happens to an inexperienced drinker. And, you can be pretty sure that the males were egging her on to continue drinking.

Why do you assume she is lying about anything? The defendants have admitted she was raped--several of them have described the acts as being non consensual and they described her attempts to fight back, as well as the physical assaults she received. THIS WAS A GANG RAPE.

Let me repeat what I said to you before:

I really do think your own involvement with BDSM, and whatever possibly violent pornography you view, has really skewed how you view sexual assaults and rape--you are not just desensitized to violence, you make excuses in order to find heinous criminal behavior acceptable.

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@firefly,

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I really do think your own involvement with BDSM, and whatever possibly violent pornography you view, has really skewed how you view sexual assaults and rape--you are not just desensitized to violence, you make excuses in order to find heinous criminal behavior acceptable

Hmm we cannot dare to question a woman behaviors once the label of victim had been apply to her.

However strangely silly personal attacks of the above nature are perfectly ok with the Feminists it would seem.

Sorry when you are talking about charges that can results in decades behind bars looking at the accuser as well as the accused behaviors and character seem on it face not to be unfair.

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@firefly,

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really do think your own involvement with BDSM, and whatever possibly violent pornography you view, has really skewed how you view sexual assaults and rape--you are not just desensitized to violence, you make excuses in order to find heinous criminal behavior acceptable.

Ok Firefly since you have no problem in attacking Hawkeye opinions because of his involvement in the BDSM scene I am sure you will have no problem with the below statement.

Firefly who is very likely to be a bull-dyke in my opinion who hate/fear men and dislike the fact that most women still prefer men has as a result a really skewed view of sexual assaults/rape charges when level against men.

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@BillRM,

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BULLSHIT if she had history of taking willing part in group sex that sure the hell would for example relate to how likely she was rape or not rape that night.

That is truly a moronic and illogical statement.

So, you think that any past history of consensual sex, should cast doubt on whether a rape occurred? Rolling Eyes

How about the male's past history of sexual assaults? Do you want to take those into account too--even if they weren't reported at the time? Isn't the male's past history of sexual assaults considerably more relevant than the female's past behavior of engaging in consensual sex? That's one reason they make public the names of those accused of rape. They want other possible victims to come forward. It helps to establish a pattern of behavior.

Even prostitutes get raped, you idiot.

In this particular case, THERE IS NO DOUBT A GANG RAPE OCCURRED.

That's based on the statements of the witnesses/defendants. The victim does not remember what happened to her.

Those who would try to excuse the behavior of rapists are just as bad as the rapists themselves. You show no regard, at all, for the abuse of the victim.

As I said before, your incessant harping on the issue of false allegations has made me less sympathetic to this issue than I was at the onset of this thread. You use it as another attack on the credibility of all women who allege they have been raped--and you have done this even in instances where the males admit their behavior was rape.

Apart from demonstrating your own hostility, misogyny, and stupidity, and deliberate efforts to distort and misinterpret what others post, your continued participation in this thread reveals little more than your pathetic need for attention, even if that comes at the cost of making yourself look like an ethically challenged idiot.

You are nothing more than an angry creep who persists in posting garbage. So, don't whine when you get ignored. Trash doesn't warrant attention.

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@firefly,

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That's one reason they make public the names of those accused of rape. They want other possible victims to come forward. It helps to establish a pattern of behavior.

It should work both damn ways or neither.

Might be interesting to see the patterns of a woman past behaviors when it come to past lovers and therefore her name should be released so past lovers could come forward with informations such as past threats to charge them with rape for example.

Or even of her having charge other men with rape in others states over the years or decades.

We have to see if she have a pattern here.

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@BillRM,

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Ok Firefly since you have no problem in attacking Hawkeye opinions because of his involvement in the BDSM scene I am sure you will have no problem with the below statement.

Firefly who is very likely to be a bull-dyke in my opinion who hate/fear men and dislike the fact that most women still prefer men has as a result a really skewed view of sexual assaults/rape charges when level against men.

I am not "attacking Hawkeye opinions because of his involvement in the BDSM scene"--I am saying that such involvement on his part skews his interpretations of sexual assault and rape scenarios. And that is based on the interpretations he has actually offered regarding actual rape cases posted in this thread. And Hawkeye really hasn't disputed that. In addition, research studies (which I posted previously in this thread) show that viewing violent pornography does desensitize the viewer to the perception of sexual violence and rape, causing such assaults to be seen as less violent, or even wanted, by the females depicted in these scenes. So, participation in violent sex, even the viewing of such violent sex, does affect one's perceptions and interpretations regarding sexual assaults.

Unlike you, I am not pulling things out of thin air simply to "attack" someone.

If you want to believe the fabrications you made up about me, go right ahead. We already know you aren't exactly in touch with reality.

As I said before, you are nothing more than an angry creep who persists in posting garbage. So, don't whine when you get ignored. Trash doesn't warrant attention.

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@firefly,

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/11/woman-makes-eight-false-rape-claims-but.html

A WOMAN who reported eight false rapes to the police has walked free from court.

Rod Hunt, prosecuting, said Jayne Stuart, 37, withdrew the latest claim after she realised the effect on the men she accused after having consensual sex with them.

Judge Peter Bowers said it was unfortunate that there was no anonymity for the men, four of whom were acquitted after trials in the past two years.

Mr. Hunt told Teesside Crown Court yesterday that Stuart, who is single, was not wicked, but had mental health difficulties that led to her making the accusations.

One man from Darlington was cleared of rape, but convicted of actual bodily harm assault with a sex toy.

The family of her latest victim was in court when she pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of public justice between April 24 and May 16 with a false allegation of rape to police.

Stuart, of Gormier Close, Thirsk, North Yorkshire, was given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for 18 months, with supervision.

Mr Hunt said: “Each of the men involved have suffered a terrible stigma.

It seems to be a fallback position on her behaviour.

She makes a complaint and it has to be investigated, but she has withdrawn her most recent complaint.

“The Crown concede in her case that she is a person labouring under mental health difficulties, and that this is not the usual case where someone is out-and-out wicked.

“It may be, now that she is able to see the harm she is doing to others, that she may be able to stand on her own two feet.”

Bryan Russell, in mitigation, said Stuart feared jail.

He said she had worked in charity shops in the past, and was willing to do so again as a community punishment.

Judge Bowers told her: “You deserve a prison sentence and usually I would send somebody to prison for this.

“The danger is that if you had a genuine, a real complaint in the future, the police might not be very inclined to take you seriously.

“You will have to be very careful with whom you take up with in the future.”

Link: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8678711.Woman___s_eight_false_rape_claims/
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@firefly,

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In addition, research studies (which I posted previously in this thread) show that viewing violent pornography does desensitize the viewer to the perception of sexual violence and rape, causing such assaults to be seen as less violent, or even wanted, by the females depicted in these scenes. So, participation in violent sex, even the viewing of such violent sex, does affect one's perceptions and interpretations regarding sexual assaults.

Yes the same kind of studies as the one in four college women are rape in college.

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Another reason the identity of rape suspects should be made known--in order to apprehend them, or bring them in for questioning. We must consider the report of the victim as credible and worthy of investigation--even if she is only 10 years old.

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Child Rape Suspect Sought by Dover Police
Jan 11, 2011

Dover, Del.- Dover police are looking for a suspect accused of raping a 10-year-old girl.

Police say that on the evening of Friday, Jan. 7, 24-year-old Reginald D. Waters, who is an acquaintance of the victim's mother, was alone with the child at a home on the unit block of Forest Creek Drive. According to investigators, Waters tried to force the victim to touch his genitals. Police say that when the victim refused to touch him, Waters began to fondle the child and perform oral sex on her. Investigators say Waters then attempted to penetrate the child but was unsuccessful.

Warrants are now on file for Waters' arrest. He is wanted on charges of first-degree rape, attempted first-degree rape, three counts of first-degree unlawful sexual contact, attempted first-degree unlawful sexual contact and two counts of endangering the welfare of a child.

According to police, Waters is already wanted for numerous court bench warrants and an outstanding warrant charging him with domestic offensive touching. He is described as black, 5-foot-7 and 150 pounds. He was last seen wearing a large black winter coat with a fur-lined hood and a red winter hat.

Anyone with information on Waters' whereabouts is asked to contact the Dover Police Department at (302) 736-7111. Callers may remain anonymous. Tips can also be submitted to law enforcement through tip lines maintained by Delaware Crime Stoppers at 1-800-TIP-3333 or online at www.tipsubmit.com.
http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13822295

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