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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 01:21 am
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye she is pretty good in using google to find rape stories
That does not mean that she understands that other people can find stuff with google too. Maybe she is SPECIAL...in her mind
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 01:28 am
@hawkeye10,
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It has been pointed out that we all have google now and can very quickly discover academic materials that profess to be from Feminists laying out Feminist theory and feminist agenda on sex law


True, and after about 360 pages, you still haven't been able to Google to discover any of those documents, writings, speeches, etc. written by specific feminists, laying out the "feminist agenda" on sex law.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2k22z8vH128/TQ7nwsjeWiI/AAAAAAAAH_I/MdHXStyOh_g/s1600/TinFoilHatArea.jpg

PARANOID HAWKEYE KNOWS THE FEMINIST CONSPIRACY WILL CRIMINALIZE HIS SEXUAL BEHAVIORS--SO A TIN FOIL HAT ISN'T ENOUGH.
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/101687337.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=F5B5107058D53DF5735EC665467D7C094864B57C2620FEAF6D895D34E951FB30



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 01:34 am
@firefly,
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True, and after about 360 pages, you still haven't been able to Google to discover any of those documents, writings, speeches, etc. written by specific feminists, laying out the "feminist agenda" on sex law.

Are you still under the impression that I just fell off of the turnip truck??!!. I have no interest in missing the forest by examination of each individual tree. I am sure that you know a great deal about some of the trees, have studied them in depth, but given that you keep insisting that the forest does not exist I have to wonder about your honesty.

Never mind, I have already decided about that....
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 01:42 am
@hawkeye10,
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I have no interest in missing the forest by examination of each individual tree.

What a lame brain excuse for maintaing your paranoia about FEMINISTS.Laughing
http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/images/21/9e/914657/original_image.png?1235796400

Your sexual behaviors are probably already illegal. Laughing
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 01:55 am
@firefly,
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Your sexual behaviors are probably already illegal
one rape feminists wishful thinking on interpretation of statute does not a law make.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 02:01 am
@hawkeye10,
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one rape feminists wishful thinking on interpretation of statute does not a law make.


Okay, paranoid, cite your evidence for believing that I am a "rape feminist"? Direct quotes would be nice.

Or, is everyone who supports the current sexual assault laws a "rape feminist" in your sadly deluded mind? Laughing
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2k22z8vH128/TQ7nwsjeWiI/AAAAAAAAH_I/MdHXStyOh_g/s1600/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 03:55 am
@firefly,
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Your sexual behaviors are probably already illegal


Firefly is the newly appointed Federal sex czar.

So consensus sex between adults is now likely illegal if you do not happen to approve of it and more then likely that will include any and all acts of heterosexual sex.

Why am I not a bit surprise………………?
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:29 am
@BillRM,
Even your cats probably have no respect for you..
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-cat-writes-a-tell-all-book-about-you.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:56 am
@firefly,
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Even your cats probably have no respect for you..


LOL………….

Let me ask them.

OK as they now wish me to open a can of cat foods for their morning breakfast at once they are telling me that they not only love me but deeply respect me.

Given that they are hungry and had yet to figure out how to open cans themselves it is however highly likely that they are being as dishonest as you normally are Firefly on this thread.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 07:17 am
@firefly,
Just got done feeding them and cleaning their litters pans and now only my male cat is hanging around me.

OK Blue Eyes is on my lap and is telling me that he love me but now refused to address the respect issue.

Strange how by not addressing an issue they do remain me of you also.

Firefly do you also get furballs?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 08:05 am
@BillRM,
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Firefly do you also get furballs?
Feeling a little frisky this morning are you Bill?

Cute!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Now Ionus I do believe is you. Bill is too stupid even to be you.


LOL


Well, you do have just enough intelligence to hit the vote down button.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Well your male support have to mean something with his comments about us being found and lock up.
Where is IONUS when we need him ....I bet he got himself banned....but he had these toads pegged, those humans with dicks who always say what they think women want them to say in the hopes of getting laid. What they don't know is that they mostly get pity fucks, that the real men get the best that women have to offer. Int is one of them, as he said long ago that the woman runs his house. He probably thinks she is faithful to him too. Maybe she is, maybe she has a man on the side...These fools account for how we got to men supporting feminism and draconian sex law making more than women do, because the men buy the feminist press releases about how pure women are, but women mostly know better, know that it is a crock. The young radicals on University campuses are scary though, because they, unlike older women, believe the feminist claptrap. They have not lived enough to see through it.


You are so full of **** that I wonder how you function. You have no idea what you are talking about and getting laid by fat, ugly, drunks does not appeal to the rest of us as it does to you.

Also, I never said anything about a woman running my house. I do assume you are referring to me when you type "Int".

Why do you need Ionus? Do you think that another punk idiot will make any difference to the crap that you and Billy post here?

~~~with apologies to fat, ugly, drunks everywhere.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:33 pm
@Intrepid,
Sorry I leave the voting down of posts to the **** heads on this system.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry I leave the voting down of posts to the **** heads on this system.


...and ? Your point? Are you referring to your pal Hawkeye?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 07:01 pm
@Intrepid,
I was thinking more of AM Firefly and you and a few other censor happy jokers.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 07:12 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry I leave the voting down of posts to the **** heads on this system.
I have used the voting system less than five times since the roll out of the new A2K, 2-3 times probably. I have objected to the system from the get go, and refuse to use it. I also refuse to use the ignore function. I do find myself looking at vote totals though, which bothers me....I wish I had a way to turn it off so that I could prevent myself from subconsciously taking into consideration the popularity of views, as it distorts the reasoning process.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 11:13 am
An update on the gang rape case in California...

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Gang-rape case in Richmond focuses on force
Demian Bulwa
Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, January 10, 2011

A central legal dispute in the case against several men accused of gang-raping a 16-year-old Richmond girl is whether she was forced into sex or whether, as defense attorneys contend, she drank so much alcohol that no force was required.

Some observers of the case, which returns to a Martinez courtroom today, have wondered why such a distinction would be made between two horrifying scenarios. California law generally prescribes the same punishment for a rape with force - three, six or eight years in prison - as it does for the rape of a person who can't resist because of intoxication.

The Contra Costa County district attorney, however, is seeking sentences of up to life in prison for five of the six defendants under the state's "one strike" rape law, which imposes longer sentences on first-time offenders in cases with egregious circumstances.

Burden of proof

To put the men away for life under the 1994 law, prosecutors must prove the men in Richmond acted in concert, used force and inflicted serious injury.

No one disputes that the girl was terribly abused in a courtyard outside a homecoming dance at Richmond High School after drinking enough to bring her blood-alcohol level to 0.35 percent - more than four times the state's legal limit for driving. One defendant admitted to punching her during the incident on Oct. 24, 2009, another to urinating on her.

But at a four-week preliminary hearing that ended last month with Judge Gregory Caskey sending the defendants to trial, attorneys argued over the nature of the violence, the level of the girl's drunkenness and the extent of her injuries.

Prosecutor Dara Cashman said it was true that force may not be needed to rape a heavily intoxicated person. But that does not mean an intoxicated person cannot be forcibly raped, she said, nor does it mean the victim has to be aware of the force or remember it.

Repeated punches

In this case, Cashman said, the defendants ripped off the girl's underwear. One suspect, 20-year-old Manuel Ortega, repeatedly punched her while attempting oral sex - blows that one witness said had knocked the girl unconscious.

Cashman said the girl had moaned, kicked and screamed for help - "ample evidence the victim did not consent." Citing police reports, she said the girl had been badly injured and could not fully open her mouth the next day.

Assistant Public Defender Jack Funk, who represents Ortega, said that what happened was "reprehensible." But he said the case had been magnified because of media coverage and public outrage, even though it was similar to other alleged rape cases involving young people and alcohol.

Mainly bruises

The girl's injuries, Funk said, were primarily bruises. He acknowledged that Ortega had struck her while attempting oral sex, but said the blows were not proof of a forcible gang rape.

"You've certainly got some application of force," Funk said in an interview. "But any fair view of the evidence shows that it was not done to cause her to submit, because she was basically incapable of resisting."

Another defense attorney, Ernesto Castillo, agreed, saying during the preliminary hearing that Ortega had not used violence to overcome the girl's will. "It was done, really, gratuitously," he said.

An advocate for victims' rights said she was troubled by the defense attempt to draw a distinction and by the message sent by laws that make some rapes more serious than others.

"If you rape an unconscious person, that is forcible - because you penetrated her. The distinction is a false distinction," said Meg Garvin, executive director of the National Crime Victim Law Institute at Lewis and Clark Law School in Portland.

Left to wonder

"The person who was unconscious and learns later that she was raped will always wonder what happened to her," Garvin said. "She doesn't know the details, so she will imagine everything possible."

The six defendants in the Richmond case are scheduled to make their first court appearance today since the preliminary hearing and to hear new charges filed against them.

The five who face up to life in prison are Ortega; John Crane Jr., 44, of Richmond; Jose Montano, 20, of Richmond; Marcelles Peter, 18, of Pinole; and 17-year-old Ari Morales of San Pablo.

Elvis Torrentes, 23, of Richmond, faces lesser charges. A seventh defendant was released with no charges after the preliminary hearing.

Nearly all the men will have to be tried separately because of laws that protect them from being implicated by co-defendants who can't be cross-examined.

Complicating matters, some attorneys need to be replaced, including Cashman, who retired last month, and Funk, who plans to retire in March.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/10/BAMD1H55H7.DTL
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 04:25 pm
@firefly,
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A central legal dispute in the case against several men accused of gang-raping a 16-year-old Richmond girl is whether she was forced into sex or whether, as defense attorneys contend, she drank so much alcohol that no force was required.

WOW, maybe I was too hasty in concluding that these guys will get an automatic pass to life, maybe they will actually get a trial. This prosecutor is nuts of course, trying to use a law and apply sentences that were clearly designed to deal with gang war rape against guys to took advantage of a girl who on her own came out to hang with them, drink with them, and then drank herself into a alcohol black-out. She also very likely was at least open to having sex with them, might have even intended to have sex with them, and might have made multiple indications that she wanted to have sex with them.

An out of control prosecutor twisting law to get obscene penalties for sexual misconduct, how unusual! *sarcasm*
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 09:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
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She also very likely was at least open to having sex with them, might have even intended to have sex with them, and might have made multiple indications that she wanted to have sex with them.


Oh, come on. Only your warped mind would come up with that one.

She was on the grounds of her high school, had just left a dance, and had to call her father to come pick her up, and I think only one of the males was even known to her. You think those are the circumstances that would make a 16 year old suddenly decide she wanted to have group sex? You must be out of your mind.

No one doubts the girl WAS RAPED--including the defense attorneys. They are just arguing the issue of force vs extreme intoxication with no force. They are not even considering whether this was consensual. This girl had a near fatal blood alcohol level--and she tried to resist what was being done to her.

I really do think your own involvement with BDSM, and whatever possibly violent pornography you view, has really skewed how you view sexual assaults and rape--you are not just desensitized to violence, you make excuses in order to find heinous criminal behavior acceptable.

I am sure these men will get a fair trial. However, their behavior is so indefensible, I cannot imagine their lawyers not urging them to accept plea deals.

The girl sat down to drink with some of these people of her own accord. SHE DID NOT ASK TO BE GANG RAPED AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED.
 

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