Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

I commented on a lot more than one typo.

You really should stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself--even more than usual.

Not in that post dear sweet firelfy or friefly or oh yes Firefly.

In any case, I am sure you would like me and Hawkeye to stop posting and that is just not going to happen however.

Now for the third or fourth times why would child sexual assault or rape be off tropic on this thread??????

Would you perhaps like to take back that position F I R E F L Y ?

You really are a basket case

Just because you desperately need attention, doesn't mean anyone is obligated to respond to you.Try talking to yourself--isn't that what you usually do?

Hawkeye at least makes sense--his posts don't require a translator. And I believe that Hawkeye does support the laws that pertain to pedophiles. And, in a thread titled, "Hey, Can A Woman Ask To Get Raped?" most normal people would rightly assume we were talking about adults.

If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, go right ahead and keep posting. You're not saying anything worthy of my time or attention. You're just a pathetic loser. Maybe someone else will come along and take pity on you and respond to your posts.

To all those lurkers out there you had just seen a fine example of Firefly at her very best or worst depending on your point of view.

Finding that she can not defense a position she had casualty taken instead of just stating that she was in error she first try to find some way to attack her questioner.

When that did not work and she is press to address the issue one way or the other she stated that she is under no obligation to response and defense her very own statement.

Such a position rather defeats the very purpose of having a discussion thread but what the hell.

In any case, everyone who might be reading the thread now or in the future you can surely come to your own conclusions about the character or lack of same of Ms. Firefly.

Further comment concerning Firefly if anyone would wish to view her postings history you will take note that 95 percents or so of all her posts is on this one thread alone.

She seems to have little or no interest in the able2know website other then to try to promote her Feminist perspectives on sex laws.

Given that she had not been allowed to post any false/incorrect information on this thread without being strongly challenge one wonder way she does not just pick up her marbles and find a more congenial area of the net.

Pedophilia when it involves the abuse of an actual child is an abomination, but I dont think that 15 yo's are children who should be deprived of the keys for their sexuality and I dont think that desire or fantasy are ever a criminal act. Guys can lust after little girls all they want, just so long as they dont touch one. They can also look at pics of little girls and fantasize about ******* them all they want, so long as they never touch a little girl. So, in total I am far from a full supporter of how we currently deal with Pedophilia.

Funny how? There are a lot of things that I dont agree with her on but that does not mean that she is wrong about everything. Hell, even you are right about some things. I work with people when I can on the things that we agree on, and I dont discount them as people because I strongly disagree with them on some things....... this is what civilized people do. This thing that you prudes do where people need to agree with you on all the major issues, must pass your morality test, before you will work with them or treat them with respect is reprehensible, and not helpful to successfully working to build a better society.

Hawkeye unless you clarify the pictures statement of your to rule out real children in sexual poses or sexual acts they are going to be yelling about your support of child porn.

ya, I have said nakid should be out but for very young, but this thing we do where we throw porn charges at people for having pictures of girls in bathing suits posed "wrong" or nakid two year olds is nuts. Child porn charges are like rape, as we used to know what they were and agree that they were bad, but now in each case I need more information about what was done ( an in the case of rape if there is any evidence other than some woman saying "I say so") before I can be sure that the state is justified in going after those individuals.

We have a habit of taking a crime that everyone agree should be punish harshly and then go cheerfully over the deep end over the matter without using reason or common sense.

Yes, it is nut people can get more time for having child porn then for sexual assaulting children for example.

In a large areas of the US you can have sex with a 17 years old legally but not have a naked picture of her.

Congress also had pump up the minimum sentencing guidelines to the point that the courts are beginning to rebel over the issue and refusing to go along with them.

Then in the US having a naked picture of a 17 and 11-month-old female or a fully cloth child because of the pose he or she is in call for the same four years minimum punishment as possessing pictures of an infant being rape.

At least the UK grade such pictures into five levels and are more sane on the punishment. Bringing down the hammer only over the worst of the lot.

the feminists are more than fine with ordinary Americans being fearful that the government will come after them for their innocent and normal pics of their kids, because this fear of the government overreaching does cut down on the number of these pics. As we well know the feminists are not at all concerned that some peoples individual rights have been violated through obscene criminalization of the images of children, because the feminists long ago decided that they are willing to run over individuals in pursuit of what they want. The Government makes a critical mistake when it throws in with these lunatics however, as it discredits all of the Government. The State pulls crap like this then they all look around trying to figure out where the TeaParty movement comes from, and who are all these people who have decided that Government needs to be depowered and how could any sane person come to the conclusion that the government is the enemy of the people. HELLO!....the State running over citizens does tend to have this effect, this is not rocket science!

When in Germany a decade ago it was somewhat common to see kids up to about 6 yo running nakid or mostly so in the park or in fountains, I wonder if it is still so, if this lunacy has spread to them.

You know Hawkeye somewhere in my home I am fairly sure I have an old commerce VHS movie by the name of I think of the COCA-COCA Cowboy or Kid or some such with a very brief scene of a well build woman taking a shower with her young daughter.

If I come across it, I will throw it out as who know if it would or would not be consider legal nowadays even if it was released from a studio and have an R or below rating when released in the 80s.

My wife is also amused by my adult porn collection and had ask why I would go to the trouble of having such encrypted in as far as she can tell it is all legal adult porn and not even that wild.

My reply to her is out of the thousands of pictures and the many digits videos collected over the decades how can I be 100 percents sure that none contain one picture or one frame of someone who is 17 or even slightly younger?

It is insane that the child porn issue is now so crazy that such concerns are not unreasonable to hold.

Check out the movie "HoundDog" where the actress Dakota Fanning spends a lot of the movie playing a 12 YO lightly clothed who gets raped. There was a lot of squealing from the feminists that this movie should have been a criminal enterprise. A big part of the problem for the feminist in my opinion is that the character is not written as a "woe is me" victim, though clearly by the rules of the victim culture she was victimized over and over again. She is written as a kid who has a tough life who manages to get through it, who does not let the abusers win without ever playing the victim, which we just cant have when we are trying to sell the victim identity to women so that we can get our rocks off beating up on men.

If memory serve me correctly there was an international award winning film about the holocaust that contain some sex scene that was underage and cause problems.

Ok, I look it up here is the wikiped article on the subject.

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The Tin Drum was one of the most financially successful German films of the 1970s. It won the 1979 Academy Award for Best Foreign Film and was jointly awarded the 1979 Palme d'Or at Cannes, along with Apocalypse Now.

The film features scenes in which Bennent, then 11 years of age and playing a stunted 16-year-old, licks effervescing sherbet powder from the navel of a 16 year old girl, played by Katharina Thalbach. Thalbach was 24 years old at the time. Subsequently Bennent appears to have oral sex and then intercourse with her.

In 1980, the film version of The Tin Drum was first cut, and then banned as child pornography by the Ontario Censor Board in Canada.[2] Similarly, on June 25, 1997, following a ruling made by State District Court Judge Richard Freeman, who had reportedly only viewed a single isolated scene of the film, The Tin Drum was banned from Oklahoma County, Oklahoma, citing the state's obscenity laws for portraying underage sexuality. All copies in Oklahoma City were likewise confiscated and at least one person who had rented the film on video tape was threatened with prosecution. Michael Camfield, leader of a local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, filed a lawsuit against the police department on July 4, 1997, alleging that the tape had been illegally confiscated and his rights infringed.

This led to a high-profile series of hearings on the film's merits as a whole versus the controversial scenes, and the role of the judge as censor. The film emerged vindicated and most copies were returned within a few months.[3][4] By 2001, all the cases had been settled and the film is legally available in Oklahoma County. This incident was covered in the documentary film Banned in Oklahoma, which is included in the 2004 Criterion Collection DVD release of The Tin Drum.[5]

Posting for the sheer joy of seeing your name on a page is both ridiculous and childish. The fact that you indicate you will not stop posting, especially when you lied hundreds of pages ago that you would stop if asked by certain parties (they asked and you are still here) speaks volumes of your ethics, intelligence, maturity and honesty.

continuing to debate until there is agreement as to the winner or that there is a draw is the proper thing to do. Firefly, being the slimy one that she is, takes her opposition not speaking as her proving her case. She needs to concede that there is no winner here...this debate will go on for years.

What you call a debate is simply a lot of trash that you post. Granted, Billy posts much more idiotic stuff that makes no sense and he is the one I was speaking to in the quote you used above. Do you deny that your compatriate is posting for the sheer fun of it and that he has not contributed anything other than to boost your ego?

You cannot even mention the creator of the thread without name calling.

The subject of this thread has already been answered on page 1. You are making a lifetime project of this thread and from the lack of participation, I would say that most of the fine folks in these parts would rather distance themselves.

Have at it.

In my opinion there is no lack of participation in this thread. The reply count, view count, and popularity number all indicate an active and interesting thread, which it of course is. I thought that it would be over a long time ago abut I can go with the flow.

You and Firefly both like to shovel the Bull **** proclamations and seem to expect that everything you say will be accepted without evaluation from any brain function, which I find to be amazing.

Is it not strange when the creator of this thread run away from responding to questions stating when press that she have no obligation to do so and then send in one of her far lesser demons to complain that we are posting to each other as she lie low in some den in hell.

For a debate you need two sides who are fairly honest concerning facts and who are willing to post something beside one cartoon after another.

So far we only have one side willing to do so.

this is not the first time that we have heard the assertion that thread starters have some special gift or powers that render them better than the rest of us....we certainly hear this from Firefly all the time as she is trying to control what she considers to be "her" thread.

An apparent feminist demanding to be in control over other humans..who wouldda thunk it possible!