Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

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Second the only placed rape in common is in the mind of Feminists and is in fact is at a thirty years low.

So rape is an uncommon crime? Rarely, if ever, does it occur? Rolling Eyes

Only a complete idiot would make such a comment. But, your credentials as an idiot have been well established throughout this thread.

And, why do you think that the reported crime rate for rape might be at a 30 year low?

It is because of the modifications in the rape laws which were made in the past 30 years. Changes that the women's movement was helpful in bringing about. These laws have had some deterrent value in helping to prevent the crime of rape.

You have just defeated your own argument against the current rape laws. But you are too stupid to realize that. Laughing

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This idea that consent to having sexual intercourse have to be pressure free in all regards to be valid is one hundred percent crazy.

You've likely arrived at that conclusion because no one in their right mind would want to have sexual intercourse with a creep like you without some kind of pressure to do so.

And your wife likely sleeps with her gun, as you've told us she does, to keep you from pressuring her in bed.

Most men, apparently unlike you, are able to find freely willing sex partners.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae, Hawkeye apparently feels quite justified in attacking your Christian religious values and ethics. He tells us he doesn't share your values because he "is Zen".

Perhaps Hawkeye could enlighten us as to compatibility of his Zen beliefs with his BDSM practices. Are Bondage, Dominance, Sadism, and Masochism, compatible with Zen?

And, since Hawkeye worries about the government curbing his BDSM activities, I'd really like to know whether consent enters into his BDSM world, and how he defines consent when he engages in such activities. That's an important factor in considering the legality of such behaviors--whether consent is present. Consent, as defined in the sexual assault laws of the state of Washington, where he lives. Does it figure into his BDSM activities?

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@firefly,

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Zen certainly does have precepts of right and wrong.

Zen does not attempt to tell the individual what is right and what is wrong, as this is for the individual to decide using the precepts as a guide.

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Now, from a Buddhist point of view, when we speak about ethics and ethical self-discipline it’s not a matter of having a set of laws and obeying them; that’s our western concepteither coming from the biblical religions or from civil law. The whole basis of ethics in Buddhism is structured according to discriminating awareness. In other words, the foundation for our ethical behavior is not obedience to laws but rather it’s discriminating between what is helpful and what’s harmful. So, no one is saying that we have to avoid certain type of behavior that will cause suffering and problems; it’s our choice. If you want to avoid suffering, get rid of it, then Buddha indicated these are the type of behaviors that we need to get rid of. Then it’s your choice. So, it’s not a matter of being a good or bad person or obeying rules and there’s no concept of guilt; guilt is if you break a law.

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/audio/fundamentals_tibetan_buddhism/level_graded_path_material/initial_scope/buddhist_view_sexual_ethics/transcript.html

My primary ethical obligation in sex is to keep my wifes needs in mind as well as my own, but keep in mind that if my wife needs to be beaten then according to Zen it is my responsibility to do it. I also need to strive towards honesty, good health and alignment with the universe. Sexual misconduct towards my wife would be to do something that was bad for her, but the sex is all about her and me, there are no rules, and other peoples oppinions about right and wrong do not count for anything.

Those who have no understanding of Buddhism should not attempt to teach it...

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@hawkeye10,

Oh, I happen to know a great deal about Zen.

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but keep in mind that if my wife needs to be beaten then according to Zen it is my responsibility to do

Which of the 5 Zen precepts dictates that you do that?

And how is BDSM compatible with Zen principles?

You do not practice Zen. You do not understand Zen.

You are like someone who would claim to be a Christian except they don't believe in Jesus. Laughing

You are an out and out phony. Self deluded, perhaps, but still a phony.

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@firefly,

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whether consent is present

Consent is present always unless one person holds another prisoner....now, whether this consent is good enough for you or the law is another matter.

In case you have not figured it out we operate our relationship on a consensual basis decided by us. I really dont give a **** what you think it should be or what the law says it should be, my marriage consent arrangement is not your business nor is it the business of the state. We operate on a higher consensual basis when dealing with others because we are not stupid, however we pay more attention to picking the right people than we do in selecting the consent level that those who wish to direct my life tell me we should select.

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@firefly,

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Which of the 5 Zen precepts dictates that you do that?

I know that you have no undersanding of Zen but normally you are not this slow......There are NO dictates in Zen.

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@hawkeye10,

I'm not interested in your marriage. You're the one who keeps talking about your marriage--in a thread about rape.

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Consent is present always unless one person holds another prisoner

What the hell does that mean?

So, if he's on top of her, and she can't push him off, is consent present, or is she being held prisoner?

If you want to define consent only by the amount of resistance offered, then it's clear why the rape laws have moved toward an active affirmation as a definition of consent. Not everyone can resist--fear, advanced age, and various physical states can interfere with the ability to resist.

Doesn't BDSM require consent in advance of the activities to be engaged in? How do you know when you don't have consent?

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@hawkeye10,

Zen has definite principles to follow in order to achieve the goals inherent in Zen. Zen has definite beliefs and values--as do all religions.

You are not a practioner of Zen. You are trying to cloak your self serving needs and desires with some measure of respectability by claiming they are compatible with alleged Zen beliefs. That is about as deluded as you can get. You obviously believe your own self deluded garbage, but don't expect anyone else to buy into it.

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@firefly,

Bullshit that you and the whole damn feminist movement is helping in any way or or any manner!!!!!!!

All repeat all violence crimes had been tracking down not just rape.

And out of a population of 150 millions or so females 70,000 to 80,000 reported rapes a year is a rare event.

Or as in .05 percent of the total population reported being rape every year.

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@firefly,

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And your wife likely sleeps with her gun, as you've told us she does, to keep you from pressuring her in bed.

Yes that is true ever sent I purchased that damn gun as a birthday gift for her there had not been any sex at all. Drunk

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@firefly,

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Doesn't BDSM require consent in advance of the activities to be engaged in

BDSM NGO's teach this, but it was never fully agreed to and I am seeing this rule increasingly ignored. If you go to a place where there is an organized scene you will see it strictly conformed to, as BDSM has more than its share of puritans who will make sure that it is.

In normal BDSM the current consent arrangement tends to be "there is the door, use it if you dont want to be here doing what we are doing" and those who try to use the door are not stopped or even questioned. However, staying does not necessary mean that you have a say in what happens.

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@firefly,

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Zen has definite beliefs and values--as do all religions

Zen is a religion? That is a very controversial statement, again showing that you don't know what the **** you are talking about.....

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@BillRM,

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And out of a population of 150 millions or so females 70,000 to 80,000 reported rapes a year is a rare event.

Are you reduced to making up your own numbers now, because you can't deal with the actual statistics?

You are such a jerk. Laughing

So, you want 70,000 to 80,000 reported rapes (and that's a gross underestimation by any reputable statistics, and the FBI estimates that only 37% of rapes are reported to the police) ignored?

One in 6 U.S. women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

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About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer during his lifetime.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostatecancer/detailedguide/prostate-cancer-key-statistics

So, do you want prostate cancer ignored too?

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@firefly,

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So, do you want prostate cancer ignored too?

are you now equating prostate cancer with an unwanted tit grope?

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@firefly,

The FBI reported rapes is the only hard numbers we have my silly friend and as such are very useful indeed in tracking trends, as in that crime number is at a thirty-years low for rape.

Now if your Feminist’s programs are working as you claim they are you would expect that women would be reporting being rapes far more often then in the past when they are assaulted.

So Firefly reported rapes are going down because of the changes in the laws your group had engineer however the percents of woman reporting is not going up is that your claim?

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One in 6 U.S. women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

And one in four women will be rape in a four year period during their college years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Women do not go to college.

Back to the real world now.

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@firefly,

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Are you reduced to making up your own numbers now, because you can't deal with the actual statistics?

Lord you have big balls.

This coming from a woman who support bullshit claims that many hundreds of thousands of women are being rape in college every year to the tune that one in four women are rape during their four years in college.

Surveys that are so crazy that 80 percents plus of the women the surveys ID as rape victims do not agree that they are rape victims and on the last silliness 43 percents of the poor victims are in ongoing sexual and romance relationships with their label rapists.

Your group love to made up numbers.......

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@BillRM,

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Now, I ask you, how sad is it that rape is such a prevalent thing in society there is a necessity to invent something like this?

Sorry as an engineer I can tell you that such a device is a joke and will never see the light of the real world for many reasons.

Second the only placed rape in common is in the mind of Feminists and is in fact is at a thirty years low.

Engineer? How do you communicate with such bad grammar and command of the English language?

Your second sentence shows just how ridiculously stupid you really are.

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@BillRM,

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Re why the feminsits do not support self defense courses or rape avoidance education anymore

My wife who travel with a 38 and or a riot shotgun is far from being current in the correct feminists PC thinkings I would assume.

In fact she drive me crazy at times when traveling alone my wonderful and very bright wife will every so often will decided to save on a hotel room by sleeping in the car at a rest stop.

When I complain she will inform me that she is safe as she sleep in a lock car with her 38 at hands.

Talk about adding more gay hairs to my few remaining hairs.

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@hawkeye10,

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In normal BDSM the current consent arrangement tends to be "there is the door, use it if you dont want to be here doing what we are doing" and those who try to use the door are not stopped or even questioned. However, staying does not necessary mean that you have a say in what happens.

Well, if you, or your partner, doesn't have a say in what happens, then consent is being ignored.

And, if consent is being ignored, you should worry that the government might go after your BDSM activities--with good reason. You would be knowingly ignoring the sexual assault laws of your state. The government has a right to enforce laws, including the sexual assault laws.

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BDSM has more than its share of puritans...

So, in your view, only "Puritans", even those into BDSM, subscribe to notions of "consent"? Rolling Eyes

My goodness, is even the BDSM scene getting too tame for your jaded tastes and aberrant sexual needs?

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@Intrepid,

Don't you also love his reference to the "feminsits"? Laughing

And, if rape is such a rare occurrence, why does his wife carry a 38 or a riot shotgun with her? Laughing

Guess he's already having a little hair of the dog Drunk

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