Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

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AM would just claimed that they are not true Christians just as she claimed the right to judge you and your wife.

Judge and control others sexuality and relationship structure , the drive to control others being the very same behaviour that they claim to object to......shades of a homophobic preacher crusading against homosexuality that turns out to be.....homosexual...

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You bet they should! No one here has said any differently either. But we have been accused of believing nothing or not much should happen to them.

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@Arella Mae,

I am gonna answer this one.
Yes, I do believe that anyone that makes a false claim of rape should go to jail.
I am not talking about a case that goes to trial and the accused person gets acquitted, I am talking about cases like the Duke rape case.
In that case, the charge was obviously bogus, the victim accused someone that wasn't even there, and the entire investigation was politically motivated. She should have done jail time.

I also believe that a rape victims name should not be hidden.
When a rape charge is made, the accused has his name broadcast, his entire life gets investigated, and even if he is proven innocent, his good name and reputation is destroyed.
Again, look at the Duke case. All of those young men had their reputations destroyed, they were expelled from Duke, and they had to spend thousands of dollars to defend themselves.
If an accused rapists name is fair game to publish, then so should the victims name.
Let the victim be subject to the same scrutiny and background check that the accused is subject to.
Or, don't release either parties name till any investigation is concluded.

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Sorry, I don't know what happened to cause my post to do that. The whole post is the second part, not the part that AM responded to.

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@mysteryman,

I have no problem AT ALL with anyone that has been proven to falsely accuse someone going to jail and for a long time at that. Yes, it can ruin lives. I kind of agree about no one's name being given out, perpetrator or victim, until final judication. However, there could be a problem with that. What about serial rapists? What about if the police have a viable suspect that is still on the loose and could possibly strike again? Certainly, in cases of murder, bank robbery, etc., allerting the public is essential.

My whole problem with the false accusation argument has been it wasn't the topic of this thread and the only ones mentioning it were you know who and you know who showed no compassion for real rape victims nor any common courtesy as to sticking to the topic.

One thing is for sure, a man falsely accused of rape but then found innocent at least is still alive and their reputation can be rebuilt. Sure, maybe not to what it was, but it could even be something better. With all the publicity there is in today's times I think it's not as bad as it was say maybe twenty years ago. Back then, yes, a man's life would be ruined forever. A victim who was raped and murdered doesn't get that opportunity.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and no one is perfect. All we can do is try to be the best human beings we can be and not hurt others especially by breaking laws set up to protect us. When we do, then we need to be held accountable.

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@mysteryman,

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Or, don't release either parties name till any investigation is concluded.

an eminently reasonable position, but the reason that suspects are named is that it is hoped that others will come forward to accuse the already accused, it is an attempt by the state to enhance its position in the courtroom, and they are not particularly concerned with fairness towards the accused. The programs funded by the VAWA are another clue that the state does not care about the accused finding justice.

The state is picking winners, and it has chosen those who are willing to take victim status. It has gone so far as to outlaw the use of polygraph technology to test the credibility of those claiming victim status, as well as outlawing the presenting of evidence in court that would reflect negatively on the credibility of the one who has claimed victim status. Equality? Fairness? Justice? .....these are all very difficult to find anywhere in the vicinity of those who have been accused of child abuse or sex crimes.

So long as the rape feminists control sex law you will never see equal strokes for what are supposed to be equal folks, because the feminists don't really believe in the equality premise that they peddle. Why be equal if you can press a clam for superiority successfully? Tis that pesky human nature again.

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@Arella Mae,

I have never made light of real victims, nor have I agreed with the two you wouldn't mention.
However, I do see the inequity in the law about shielding identities.
I do think that law needs to be changed so that everybody gets equal justice.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I have never made light of real victims, nor have I agreed with the two you wouldn't mention.
However, I do see the inequity in the law about shielding identities.
I do think that law needs to be changed so that everybody gets equal justice.

No, you have not ever made light or agree with them. I have found you to be honest and compassionate. I agree. Justice should always be equal!

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@mysteryman,

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I do think that law needs to be changed so that everybody gets equal justice.

HIGHLY unlikely to happen, because to do that we would need to get back to men being innocent until proven guilty. So long as a man is guilty until and unless he can prove that had consent that the state approves of those who are accused of sexual assault will not have an equal shot at justice to the rest of the accused, whom have the advantage of being innocent until proven guilty.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

Intrepid, where is that laughing mouse? I need to borrow it.

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@Intrepid,

heehee!

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@Intrepid,

Thank you, Intrepid! I need that mouse badly.

In response to the statement:
"Rape is now part of the 'mating dance'?"

Birdbrain Bill said:

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AGREE 100 PERCENT.

Well, now we all understand why his wife sleeps with a gun.

And he thinks anyone could take him seriously enough to want his views on the topic of rape? Laughing

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And, from that great theological scholar, Hawkeye, comes this absolute gem.

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what made anyone think that God is not into BDSM? Ever read the story of JOB?

Man, one couldn't even make this stuff up. It's so absurd it's hilarious.

Unfortunately, his understanding of the topic of rape is on a par with his Biblical insights Laughing

And he thinks he's winning some sort of debate on this topic? He's been arguing with the "rape feminists" and not with anyone posting in this thread. Laughing

TOO FUNNY!

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@firefly,

STOP! MY SIDES ARE KILLING ME! Laughing

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@firefly,

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Man, one couldn't even make this stuff up.

You are obviously so busy laughing that logic fails to work for you. The idea has already been made, it has been put into words by me, and it has not been refuted. I doubt that it will be.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae, what kind of excuses do you think the Dynamic Duo will come up with for this rapist--whose actions were caught on camera. False allegation? Unclear consent? Not a "real rape"? She really wanted it? It was her own fault she got drunk, so it's not his duty to protect her? Rolling Eyes

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Tue, Dec. 28, 2010
Police: WPa. rape by bartender caught on camera
The Associated Press

AMBRIDGE, Pa. - Police say the alleged after-hours rape of a female customer by a western Pennsylvania bartender has been captured on the tavern's video surveillance cameras.

Online court records do not list an attorney for 37-year-old James Sumpter, of Ambridge, who has been in the Beaver County Jail since his arrest Sunday.

Police say Sumpter kept serving the victim drinks even after she fell of a bar stool, then locked the business and raped her while they were alone after closing time early Sunday at the Firehouse Lounge in Ambridge.

Sumpter faces a preliminary hearing Jan. 3 on charges of rape of an unconscious person and with furnishing alcohol to an intoxicated person. Online court records do not list an attorney for Sumpter.

Ambridge is about 25 miles northwest of Pittsburgh.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/112549509.html?cmpid=15585797

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@firefly,

Um, let me guess? The tape was tampered with?

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@Arella Mae,

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@Arella Mae,

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Um, let me guess? The tape was tampered with?

Has anyone a problem with criminalizing force over vocalized non-consent or incapacitation?

Of course not, Firefly is acting like a three year old, which she thinks is cute. You demean yourself by throwing in with her.

Rape is serious business, addressing it requires serious people.

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@hawkeye10,

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Rape is serious business, addressing it requires serious people.

That lets you out. You've yet to separate it from erotica, the mating dance, or some paranoid plot on the part of the "rape feminists". And you've also told us how much you enjoy "drunk sex"--which is what got that rapist arrested.

Try considering rape as non consensual sexual activity. And I share your state's definition of "consent" as given in the sexual assault laws of the state of Washington--and I've said that before, so quit complaining I don't define it.

Oh, I forgot. You don't think that simple lack of consent is "real rape".

Yup, you sure regard rape as "serious business"--you've told us all about the "rape industry business" and how much money they haul in. You even call the rape crisis centers the "rape industry store".

Go argue with your phantom "rape feminists" or watch some more porn.

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