Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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She's not the one who commits the rape.

Right, she (the drunk hole) is not the one who had sex with the person whom the state has removed the right to consent (the drunk hole)....Have you any more startling revelations to regale us with??

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@Ionus,

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Oylok wrote:
I'm not the one in favour of a thread about prison rape.
Of course not. Do you know your reasons ? I suspect they are because you dont want rape looked at as a crime with victims, you want it solely as a political weapon for the libby lobby. You dont want to talk about the majority of rapes because it detracts from poor poor pitiful women and period pains and childbirth and ......it must be a living hell for females of all species.....how they must suffer......or not. Possibly not.

Jeez man...It was a JOKE. You can tell it was mine, because I was the only one laughing. Take back-bearings and find out exactly which of your posts I was responding to, and maybe you'll get why I said it.

Anyway, yes, prison rape is awful. According to Harper's Magazine it spawned the hepatitis epidemic now plaguing the civilian population. It renders the deterrent potential of capital punishment moot, because life in prison is worse than death. And of course there is the small matter of it being unconstitutionally "cruel" punishment in every country whose constitution bans the cruel and unusual.

But this is thread about date rape. Start your own thread...or not. Advisably not. Wink

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@Oylok,

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But this is thread about date rape. Start your own thread

Great....yet another thread cop, just what we need.

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@Ionus,

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Do the rape reports "thrill" you?
No, because I refuse to read them. I know of a gentle woman who was raped. She told me she had to forgive for her own sake. I wanted to kill him when he came out of gaol....

Yikes. Okay, my question was rhetorical. Obviously, "no" was the only acceptable answer. I was pretty sure you weren't going to answer "yes". But, in any case, I'm sorry to hear about that--really. Sad

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@hawkeye10,

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Right, she is not the one who had sex with the person whom the state has removed the right to consent....Have you any more startling revelations to regale us with??

The state has not removed her right to consent. She can consent while drunk, and, if she really knew what she was doing, and agreeing to, she's not likely to claim she was raped or to feel she was violated.

The legal responsibility is on the male to be sure she is knowingly consenting--that she's aware of what's happening, where she is, who she is with, what's going on, what's being done to her--and that she wants to be doing it. The responsibility is on him because he has to be sure he has consent for what he intends to do regarding sexual activity with her. Her consent, or lack of it, is what should govern his behavior toward her. With consent, it's just a sex act, without consent it is a sexual assault--rape. That's why he must consider whether he really has her "consent"--he'll be the one charged with rape if he doesn't have it.

These laws were passed to keep men from taking advantage of extremely drunk women, who would be in no position to offer much resistance of any kind to unwanted sex. So, the idea is to stop men from having sex with women who are not in shape to either knowingly consent or to physically resist. Making the man think about whether he has consent, in that sort of situation, is the point --if he's at all unsure about whether she knows what she's doing, he should stop. That is his legal responsibility.

If that legal responsibility, to be sure he has knowing consent, is too much of a "burden" for the man, he shouldn't be having sex with anyone.

If you look at most of the rape cases which are actually charged or prosecuted, where the victim was drunk, she is generally very drunk--barely conscious, floating in and out of consciousness, or actually passed out--and they either have witnesses to substantiate how drunk she was, or blood alcohol levels, or videotapes of her condition (thanks to rapists who want to "preserve the moment")--and, in those sorts of situations, no one in their right mind would believe she was knowingly consenting given her level of intoxication--and she may even have tried to offer some resistance or said, "No". So, these are definitely real rapes.

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@firefly,

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your basic understanding of laws is so deficient

I am very surprised to find that out. Imagine how much more of a shock it must be for me to find out from you.

Not knowing what you are doing, and not being in control of yourself IS a defence. People have been pulled over for swerving only to be found they have low sugar levels, or have had a fit, and were not aware of their state. So you ARE aware of drink driving and that is why you are charged with the crime.

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the reason we have drunk driving laws is because people who are legally intoxicated are not considered competent to drive safely--their judgment, cognitive abilities, perceptions, reaction times, etc. are all impaired.

They are still aware of their actions. They are legally responsible for their actions whether they murder, assault, drive a car or RAPE someone. So if they consent to sex then they are legally responsible.....unless of course they are only women......women are special.

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The age of consent may differ from place to place, but AOC simply determines the minimum age to be able to give consent.

Isnt that an integral part of the topic ? That if you cross an imaginary boundary the women are more stupid despite being a lot older and can not give consent ? But if you return across that imaginary line, the women are younger and smarter and can give consent ? Perhaps this has more to do with how jealous older women are of younger women rather than whether they care about their sisters or not.

It is not non-consensual sex that concerns me. It is consensual sex that TURNS INTO non-consensual sex afterwards.

William summed it up rather well I thought :

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For males it is a amusing story to share with other men such as lord did you see the dog I ended up going home with last night? I just need to cut down on my drinking.

For a woman lord the guy saw I was drunk and we went home together and as I would never had have sex with him without being under the influence he must had rape me.

Same event but we for some reason are granting women the right not to take responsibility for their own actions and finding excuses that it someone else fault that would never fly for a male.

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@Oylok,

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According to Harper's Magazine it spawned the hepatitis epidemic now plaguing the civilian population.

If I might take a slight detour for one post, prison sex is responsible for HIV/AIDS. In the days when prisoners volunteered for experiments, WHOLE BLOOD transfers were used from monkeys to prisoners in an effort to develop immunity to malaria. Obviously they used a monkey that had shown an immunity to malaria...that same species was where they later found AIDS. The US government has avoided the responsibilty rather well here...can you imagine the cost of the litigation if the claimants won ?

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But this is thread about date rape.

Men raped in prison are far more likely to violently rape once out of prison. How more likely are they to date rape ???

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@Oylok,

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I'm sorry to hear about that

Thank you and I would pass that on but she has since died. However I always remember her strength of human spirit in returning to a mentally healthy engaging person in what must have been very difficult circumstances. I'm sure she wouldnt be on the net posting horror stories and trying to scare the **** out of other women.

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@Ionus,

Yes, the problem is that men commit rapes. Whether they rape other men in prison, or rape women, or other men, outside of prison.

And we would like to see men stop committing rapes.

The responsibility for stopping rape rests with men.

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Findings like this might help to explain the relatively young ages of many males now being charged with and convicted of forcible rapes.

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Sexually Aggressive Kids More Likely to Have Seen Violent Porn, Claims Local Research
By Matt Coker
Nov. 29 2010

Viewing violent x-rated material may contribute to sexually aggressive behavior among 10-17 year olds, according to a Santa Ana-based research firm.

Youth who look at violent porn are six times more likely to force someone else to do something sexual online or in-person versus kids who are not exposed to x-rated material, finds the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention-funded study by Internet Solutions for Kids.

"Because of the obvious ethical problems of purposefully exposing kids to pornography, little was known before about how viewing x-rated material may be related to sexual aggression in children," explains Dr. Michele Ybarra, the primary author of the study for the East Garry Avenue non-profit research organization that promotes "new and innovative methods that improve the health and safety of young people."

"We believe a mutli-pronged approach is necessary, with research alongside active youth education and support," she added.

Published in Aggressive Behavior, the study asked kids whether they had looked at x-rated material before, and then looked to see if the kids who said "yes" were more likely to also say that they were sexually aggressive." Researchers discovered exposure to Internet pornography is relatively common among youth.

However, Ybarra's study concluded the Internet is not the most common source of x-rated material--even violent x-rated material. Fourteen percent looked at x-rated material in movies, 12% in magazines, and 11% online.

"There's an assumption out there that the Internet has somehow increased kids' exposures to deviant content," Ybarra noted. "Our data don't support this. We're learning that just because content that we find disturbing is accessible online, doesn't mean kids will seek it out."

While agreeing blocking and filtering software will likely prevent the exposure of the young to violent x-rated material online, those strategies will not stop kids from seeing such images and depictions in magazines and movies.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2010/11/violent_porn_aggressive_sex_ki.php

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@firefly,

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Youth who look at violent porn are six times more likely to force someone else to do something sexual online?

This makes sense to me in real life, but I don't get how someone can force someone else to do something sexual on-line.

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@firefly,

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Yes, the problem is that men commit rapes.

There is also a smaller amount of rapes committed by women. How could you callously ignore children being molested by women ? That is also rape.

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And we would like to see men stop committing rapes.

I thought we would like to see people stop committing rapes.

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The responsibility for stopping rape rests with men.

The responsibility rests with men and women and law makers.

You really do have libby agenda dont you ?

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@Ionus,

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The responsibility rests with men and women and law makers.

Yes, but you don't like the way women and law makers have addressed the problem of rape--you've been carrying on about the rape laws that have been passed and the "libbies" who helped to get them passed. But those laws, including the date rape laws, are all ways of trying to prevent rapes.

Stop playing games, the overwhelming majority of rapists are male. And most females are not raped by strangers--the rapist was known to them. So sexual assault laws have to cover rapes that occur in those types of situations, which don't always involve extreme physical force or deadly weapons.

The responsibility for stopping rape really rests with men because it is men who do most of the raping. Women and law makers can try to prevent it, juries can punish it, but only men can really stop it.

Men who want to stop rapes don't quibble about the notion of "consent"--"consent" is what differentiates a sex act from a sexual assault.

They don't quibble about why one shouldn't have sex with a woman who is too drunk to knowingly consent, because they know that her lack of consent makes the act rape.

They don't quibble about who is really responsible for a rape--they know only the rapist is responsible, and only the rapist should be held accountable. They don't blame the victim for her own rape.

Men who want to stop rapes demonstrate some basic respect for women, including the way they talk about them.

Men who want to stop rapes want to see rapists held responsible for their actions, and they don't make excuses for them, or illogically blame the "rape laws" for the fact that the rapist ignored the issue of consent.

In other words, men who want to stop rapes don't sound like you. Or Hawkeye. Or BillRM.

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@firefly,

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The state has not removed her right to consent. She can consent while drunk, and, if she really knew what she was doing, and agreeing to, she's not likely to claim she was raped or to feel she was violated.

The legal responsibility is on the male to be sure she is knowingly consenting--that she's aware of what's happening, where she is, who she is with, what's going on, what's being done to her--and that she wants to be doing it. The responsibility is on him because he has to be sure he has consent for what he intends to do regarding sexual activity with her. Her consent, or lack of it, is what should govern his behavior toward her With consent, it's just a sex act, without consent it is a sexual assault--rape. That's why he must consider whether he really has her "consent"--he'll be the one charged with rape if he doesn't have it.

To sum go after drinking the state should grant a woman the power to declare a had rape happen at her whim after the fact.!!!!!!!!!!!

A wonderful way of getting even with a cheating boyfriend or husband for that matter go out drinking and then declare a rape after the fact.

That is in fact what you are driving for Firefly the right of any woman at any time to declare any sexual act as rape if she care to do so at her whim.

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@firefly,

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she's not likely to claim she was raped or to feel she was violated.

The freedom of men should depend hundred percents on the good will of women they had sex with it would seem.

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@firefly,

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Stop playing games, the overwhelming majority of rapists are male. And most females are not raped by strangers--the rapist was known to them. So sexual assault laws have to cover rapes that occur in those types of situations, which don't always involve extreme physical force or deadly weapons.

Sorry in any sane society non-force sex or drug sex of an aware woman is not rape

Men freedom otherwise will rest only on the thread of the good will of their female sexual partners.

As I said you are driving for the right of any woman to declare a rape after the fact due to her regrets or ill-will toward her sexual partner.

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One fun outcome of a Firefly rape law world is that it would result in the shutting down of the liquor industry far more firmly then the 18th Amendment was able to achieve.

After all what male in his right mind would hand the keys to his freedoms to any woman by drinking with her no matter how must he might tend to trust her at the moment.

Only the Mormons and such groups can now feel safe from a future Firefly world of if she declare it rape and she have any alcohol level in her blood at all it is rape.

Another fun outcome would be instead of looking down on homosexuals straight men will envy them and their ability to enjoy sex without a sword hanging over their heads that could drop at any time.

This could be the subject of an interest book writing about the future firefly world.

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@BillRM,

If she is in your house.... You are responsible.

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@firefly,

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Men who want to stop rapes don't quibble about the notion of "consent"--"consent" is what differentiates a sex act from a sexual assault.

So men who want to stop rapes dont care about accuracy ? It is better to lock up 10 innocent men then to let one guilty man walk free ? Really ? Do you really think that ?

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The responsibility for stopping rape really rests with men because it is men who do most of the raping.

This sort of statement makes it seem like if you explain it to the naughty boys they will know it is wrong. People who rape are beyond having it explained to them.

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Men who want to stop rapes demonstrate some basic respect for women, including the way they talk about them.

It is an excess of preferential treatment for women that got us into this mess.

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Men who want to stop rapes want to see rapists held responsible for their actions, and they don't make excuses for them, or illogically blame the "rape laws" for the fact that the rapist ignored the issue of consent.

No one is making excuses for rapists. What troubles you is no-one is making excuses either for psycho-bitches who change their mind and lock up an innocent man.

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In other words, men who want to stop rapes don't sound like you. Or Hawkeye. Or BillRM.

There are worse things that can happen. Like being accused and your wife leaves you before the trial and you are found innocent. Like being locked up for 10 yrs and then acquitted. Did you read my post of the professor who had his life destroyed and he was never found guilty ? All because men want to stop rape and so they believe all the feminist bullshit. These men dont sound like us for a good reason. They are blinded by their instincts to protect women at any cost, even their own lives.

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@Intrepid,

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If she is in your house.... You are responsible.

I am responsible for some drunk who drank all my liquor without my permission who I had then kick out?

Under what theory of law?

Bet most bars or restaurants I am fairly sure are not aware of the fact that if they kick out a drunken customer they also are responsible and they would had far more of a responsible if they had been the one who welling serve the woman the liquor then I would be.

Hate to tell you this but under the laws a woman is an adult not a child that anyone else owe a duty of protection to.

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