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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 01:49 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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A call to your local D.A.'s office could probably clarify the "drunk" question for you, the same way that calling the IRS can clarify a question about a tax deduction.
are you going to try to sell me a bridge next? That is an excellent way to end up on a watch list. Finding out what is a felony violation that will likely follow me for the rest of my life certainly should be easier then figuring out the tax code. The penalty for tax violation is at most a few extra bucks, it is not a prison term and a sex offender registration...Not. The. Same. Thing.


Only those who think they are above the law would need to worry. Go ahead....make that call.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 01:49 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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I have never been against men. I am against rape--rape of people of either gender.
Then where are your posts against men being raped ?


Can you read the title of the thread? Thought not.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:00 am
@Intrepid,
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If your wife was to read all your posts would she consent and agree with you?
We are married, we routinely do not agree. If we did not do anything until we both agreed things would move veeeeeery sloooowly. Sometimes I lead, sometimes she leads...which includes in sex.

As I have said, not doing sex until and unless both parties agree on everything, in advance, is highly unrealistic.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:02 am
@hawkeye10,
You have a very unrealistic and warped view of life. You must have missed out on a lot over the years to have come to the conclusions that you do.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:11 am
@Intrepid,
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You have a very unrealistic and warped view of life. You must have missed out on a lot over the years to have come to the conclusions that you do.
How many pages do your sex scripts run? Do you sign them? We cant be bothered, we make it up as we go.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:15 am
@mysteryman,
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Physical evidence is a form of corroboration.
If you want to read the law literally, there doesnt need to be physical evidence of a rape either.


You don't have to have physical evidence of a mugging either. Muggers don't always injure victims.

But the statement about corroboration probably refers to not needing other witnesses for corroboration. You might not have physical evidence of a sexual assault. Forced oral sex, digital penetration, and genital fondling might not leave physical evidence. That statement regarding corroboration applies to all sexual assaults, not just rape. It also applies to child victims of sexual assault and rape, including incest victims.

Obviously, if a D.A. decides to take a case to trial, they need something to convince a jury of the defendent's guilt. Without evidence, of some sort, or some witness testimony beside the victim, the case is not likely to go trial and no one might even be charged.

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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:38 am
@hawkeye10,
You not only make up the sex scripts, you also make up the sex laws.

The behaviors included under the crime of rape in the state of Washington, where you live, have not changed at all.

Rape is non consensual sexual intercourse. That includes sexual intercourse by forcible compulsion and sexual intercourse without consent.

You and BillRM do nothing but concoct lies about definitions of rape having been changed and expanded. And you come up with hypothetical scare scenarios to suggest that men can be charged with rape for doing all sorts of things that would not be considered rape under your state laws. You are the one with the political agenda, and to further that agenda you lie repeatedly.

The sexual assault laws in the state of Washington are quite clear. Even you should be able to understand them. A child who knows he needs permission before he can take cookies from the cookie jar could understand the meaning of consent in that state law.

Don't hold your breath until they de-criminalize rape. It ain't gonna happen.

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As I have said, not doing sex until and unless both parties agree on everything, in advance, is highly unrealistic.

Not if you're with someone you barely know--which is often the most typical date rape scenario. Either you agree in advance, or you pay careful attention to each other's signals and communications, and you stop when the other person indicates resistance or non consent. That's assuming the other person is reasonably sober, alert, and actively participating and consenting up until that point.



Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:50 am
@Intrepid,
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Only idiots would base everything on sight alone.
So according to you, it is grossly unfair to charge men with rape if the woman has several personalities ? What about bi-polar ? How do you tell the diference between excited to see you and just plain excited ? Just how does someone as stupid as you tell the mental health of a woman before he sleeps with them ? Ask them ?

Dickhead.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:54 am
@Intrepid,
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If your wife was to read all your posts would she consent and agree with you?
What happened to marriage vows ? I promise ...unless I dont want to, in which case you still have to live up to your vows....women are equal after all.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:57 am
@Intrepid,
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Can you read the title of the thread? Thought not.
So you want everyone to answer yes or no to the question whilst more painful horror stories are feasted on by women who just think rape is sooooo terrible they have to read it.

Dickhead.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 02:58 am
@Intrepid,
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You have a very unrealistic and warped view of life. You must have missed out on a lot over the years to have come to the conclusions that you do.
That is your opinion and it is less valuable then toilet paper.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 03:22 am
@Ionus,
What you call "painful horror stories" are simply current news reports dealing with the actual crime of rape--the reality of rape. As opposed to your fantasy that rape is something erotic that women might enjoy or secretly long for.

You certainly do seem fascinated with feasting on your own fantasies of men being raped in prison. You even calculated the number of inmates being raped on a daily basis. And you even demanded to know why this thread isn't spending even more time talking about male rapes. Can't get enough of it, huh?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 03:26 am
@firefly,
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The behaviors included under the crime of rape in the state of Washington, where you live, have not changed at all.

Making lemonaid out of lemons I see......Washington law is very inferior by your view, as even 3rd degree rape still requires the victim to vocally demonstrate lack of consent, first degree still demands force
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.060

There have been changes here however towards the rape feminist agenda, for instance in 2007

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Due to the dedicated efforts of our advocates across the state of Washington, victims of sexual
violence have an even stronger tool to increase their safety through orders of protection and
victims of sexual violence cannot be forced to submit to a polygraph test.
http://www.wcsap.org/policy/PDF/60thLegislativesessioninReview.pdf

though why the hell we should not know if self described victims can pass a polygraph test IDK.....Yes I do, the rape feminists insist that every woman is to be believed when she charges that a man raped her.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 03:42 am
@hawkeye10,
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Washington law is very inferior by your view

No, Washington law sounds just fine. You are the one complaining about the rape laws, not me.
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There have been changes here however towards the rape feminist agenda...

Cut the garbage with your delusional "rape feminist agenda". That's the imaginary scapegoat you hide behind rather than acknowledging that the majority of all women want these things. It just shows how out of touch with women's feelings you really are.

What victims of any other crime have to submit to a polygraph test?

Besides, polygraphs are not admissible in court. Some rape victims have voluntarily taken polygraphs, and wanted the results presented in court, but they weren't allowed into evidence.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 03:47 am
@hawkeye10,
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.Washington law is very inferior by your view, as even 3rd degree rape still requires the victim to vocally demonstrate lack of consent
sorry, in 1989 Washington did join the herd and shifted the consent responsibility, now demanding active consent where before it was demonstrated lack of consent
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By 1989, the Washington State Supreme Court openly shifted the burden of proving consent to the defendant when it argued that the removal of legislative language requiring non-consent for rape “evidences legislative intent to shift the burden of proof on the issue to the defense” and approved this blatantly unconstitutional presumption of guilt. The result, write Weiss and Young, was not “to jail more violent rapists — lack of consent is easy enough for the state to prove in those cases — but to make it easier to send someone to jail for failing to get an explicit nod of consent from an apparently willing partner before engaging in sex.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/family/2705-feminist-gulag-no-prosecution-necessary

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(1) "Sexual intercourse" (a) has its ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight, and

(b) Also means any penetration of the vagina or anus however slight, by an object, when committed on one person by another, whether such persons are of the same or opposite sex, except when such penetration is accomplished for medically recognized treatment or diagnostic purposes, and

(c) Also means any act of sexual contact between persons involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another whether such persons are of the same or opposite sex.

(2) "Sexual contact" means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person done for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either party or a third party.

(3) "Married" means one who is legally married to another, but does not include a person who is living separate and apart from his or her spouse and who has filed in an appropriate court for legal separation or for dissolution of his or her marriage.

(4) "Mental incapacity" is that condition existing at the time of the offense which prevents a person from understanding the nature or consequences of the act of sexual intercourse whether that condition is produced by illness, defect, the influence of a substance or from some other cause.

(5) "Physically helpless" means a person who is unconscious or for any other reason is physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act.

(6) "Forcible compulsion" means physical force which overcomes resistance, or a threat, express or implied, that places a person in fear of death or physical injury to herself or himself or another person, or in fear that she or he or another person will be kidnapped.

(7) "Consent" means that at the time of the act of sexual intercourse or sexual contact there are actual words or conduct indicating freely given agreement to have sexual intercourse or sexual contact.

(8) "Significant relationship" means a situation in which the perpetrator is:

(a) A person who undertakes the responsibility, professionally or voluntarily, to provide education, health, welfare, or organized recreational activities principally for minors;

(b) A person who in the course of his or her employment supervises minors; or

(c) A person who provides welfare, health or residential assistance, personal care, or organized recreational activities to frail elders or vulnerable adults, including a provider, employee, temporary employee, volunteer, or independent contractor who supplies services to long-term care facilities licensed or required to be licensed under chapter 18.20, 18.51, 72.36, or 70.128 RCW, and home health, hospice, or home care agencies licensed or required to be licensed under chapter 70.127 RCW, but not including a consensual sexual partner.

(9) "Abuse of a supervisory position" means:

(a) To use a direct or indirect threat or promise to exercise authority to the detriment or benefit of a minor; or

(b) To exploit a significant relationship in order to obtain the consent of a minor.

(10) "Person with a developmental disability," for purposes of RCW 9A.44.050(1)(c) and 9A.44.100(1)(c), means a person with a developmental disability as defined in RCW 71A.10.020.

(11) "Person with supervisory authority," for purposes of RCW 9A.44.050(1) (c) or (e) and 9A.44.100(1) (c) or (e), means any proprietor or employee of any public or private care or treatment facility who directly supervises developmentally disabled, mentally disordered, or chemically dependent persons at the facility.

(12) "Person with a mental disorder" for the purposes of RCW 9A.44.050(1)(e) and 9A.44.100(1)(e) means a person with a "mental disorder" as defined in RCW 71.05.020.

(13) "Person with a chemical dependency" for purposes of RCW 9A.44.050(1)(e) and 9A.44.100(1)(e) means a person who is "chemically dependent" as defined in RCW 70.96A.020(4).

(14) "Health care provider" for purposes of RCW 9A.44.050 and 9A.44.100 means a person who is, holds himself or herself out to be, or provides services as if he or she were: (a) A member of a health care profession under chapter 18.130 RCW; or (b) registered under chapter 18.19 RCW or licensed under chapter 18.225 RCW, regardless of whether the health care provider is licensed, certified, or registered by the state.

(15) "Treatment" for purposes of RCW 9A.44.050 and 9A.44.100 means the active delivery of professional services by a health care provider which the health care provider holds himself or herself out to be qualified to provide.

(16) "Frail elder or vulnerable adult" means a person sixty years of age or older who has the functional, mental, or physical inability to care for himself or herself. "Frail elder or vulnerable adult" also includes a person found incapacitated under chapter 11.88 RCW, a person over eighteen years of age who has a developmental disability under chapter 71A.10 RCW, a person admitted to a long-term care facility that is licensed or required to be licensed under chapter 18.20, 18.51, 72.36, or 70.128 RCW, and a person receiving services from a home health, hospice, or home care agency licensed or required to be licensed under chapter 70.127 RCW.


[2007 c 20 § 3; 2005 c 262 § 1; 2001 c 251 § 28. Prior: 1997 c 392 § 513; 1997 c 112 § 37; 1994 c 271 § 302; 1993 c 477 § 1; 1988 c 146 § 3; 1988 c 145 § 1; 1981 c 123 § 1; 1975 1st ex.s. c 14 § 1. Formerly RCW 9.79.140.]


Notes:
Effective date -- 2007 c 20: See note following RCW 9A.44.050.

Severability -- 2001 c 251: See RCW 18.225.900.


Short title -- Findings -- Construction -- Conflict with federal requirements -- Part headings and captions not law -- 1997 c 392: See notes following RCW 74.39A.009.


Intent -- 1994 c 271: "The legislature hereby reaffirms its desire to protect the children of Washington from sexual abuse and further reaffirms its condemnation of child sexual abuse that takes the form of causing one child to engage in sexual contact with another child for the sexual gratification of the one causing such activities to take place." [1994 c 271 § 301.]


Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020.


Severability -- Effective dates -- 1988 c 146: See notes following RCW 9A.44.050.


Effective date -- 1988 c 145: "This act shall take effect July 1, 1988." [1988 c 145 § 26.]


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.010
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 03:52 am
@firefly,
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What victims of any other crime have to submit to a polygraph test?
Are there any crimes with a higher alleged victim count who turn out to be either wrong or lying than sexual assault? It seems to be that using a polygraph to separate out the liars on sexual assault charges would be highly helpful to law enforcement, in order to prevent massive wastes of time and taxpayer dollars investigating false charges.

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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 04:00 am
@hawkeye10,
You've posted everything but the actual rape laws. Rolling Eyes And don't bother, I've read them.

The only behavior covered under the Washington rape laws is non consensual sexual intercourse--either sexual intercourse by forcible compulsion or sexual intercourse without consent.

All that other stuff you needlessly posted are other types of sexual assaults, not rape. You are still trying to confuse the issue.

Rape hasn't changed. It has always been non consensual sexual intercourse.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 04:25 am
@firefly,
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Rape hasn't changed. It has always been non consensual sexual intercourse.
Then maybe you need to take another look, and this time look at the marker dates indicating law changes. And then we could talk about all of the policy changes, and sentence guideline changes, and all of the money flooding into victim programs, and the rape feminist lobbyists who run around Olympia during session pushing each years agenda through the legislature. Then tell me nothing has changed.

Better yet, save it for someone who takes you seriously. I spent the last two years working for the state on the capital campus till April, I am well aware of all of the action and changes in sex law, in spite of your ridiculous claims that nothing has changed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 05:00 am
@firefly,
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You and BillRM do nothing but concoct lies about definitions of rape having been changed and expanded. And you come up with hypothetical scare scenarios to suggest that men can be charged with rape for doing all sorts of things that would not be considered rape under your state laws. You are the one with the political agenda, and to further that agenda you lie repeatedly.


How many links do you need to post that prove that such meanings of rape is in effect in many states of the US NOW and that men are NOW sitting in prison because of them?

I happen to travel from time to time around the US with my family owning three homes in three states so all US states laws are of personal concern to myself and as a citizen of the US I am of course concern at keeping such laws sane in all states of the union not just my state of record.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 05:24 am
@firefly,
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"painful horror stories" are simply current news reports
Its not your fault you cut and paste them.
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As opposed to your fantasy that rape is something erotic that women might enjoy or secretly long for.
So you cant defeat my argument without lying.
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You certainly do seem fascinated with feasting on your own fantasies of men being raped in prison.
Very Happy Oh dear ! I have been called chicken ! Well I guess I will have to race now or face a double dare ! Grow up.
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You even calculated the number of inmates being raped on a daily basis.
Your memory is failing. You said more women were raped. You were wrong. No retraction, no apology, just pretend I am homosexual for pointing it out to you.Well how about if I come back with you are one sicko enjoying another persons misery, feasting on detail supplied by "news reports" that have a centrespread of naked women tied up.
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Can't get enough of it, huh?
So says a militant lesbian who thinks if more women are frightened away from men she will get more licks than a stamp without glue. How's that going ?

I pointed out to you more men are raped than women but you dont like that fact because it interferes with your demand for unreasonable protection. I pointed out to you that men raped in prison are far more likely to rape women once they get out. You demanded information. I provided it. You didnt like the information because you cant seperate yourself from your feelings long enough to analyse a light switch. Go back through the posts. How many women and their suck hole "men" have been voting down every topic that doesnt go into gory detail about rape and demand stupid unjust laws ?

I pointed out to you the unjust laws in Australia...do you care ? Of course not. So tell me...why should anyone care if yet another whinging bitch really does get raped as opposed to all the men put in gaol for bitches having a mood swing ?

Isnt the reason you want men locked up because they commit rape ? Then why lock up men if they dont ? And dont tell me the way things are now is just.....why dont we lock up women for promising sex and not following through ?

What we have now is the opposite of the Taliban system. Just as biased and beligerantly stupid and sexist, except we do it to men. What did men do to you to make you so filled with hatred ? You are a small person.
 

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