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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:28 am
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Suit charges Upper St. Clair officials made rape victim 'bait'
Friday, July 30, 2010
By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A former Upper St. Clair High School student who already claimed she had been raped once was raped again on school property after school officials used her as bait in a failed attempt to catch students they believed were having sex in the building, her attorneys claim.

The allegation was made in a lengthy response filed by attorneys for the unidentified former student against the district's motion to throw out the lawsuit brought by the former student. Upper St. Clair school district is asking U.S. District Chief Judge Gary L. Lancaster to find in its favor, arguing that the plaintiffs cannot prove the district was deliberately indifferent to the possibility that the student would be assaulted.

According to the brief by the student's attorney, on Feb. 4, 2008, the girl went to one of her teachers, Esther von Waldow, and told her that a boy, with whom she'd had previous problems, had forced her to have sex with him after school. The Post-Gazette does not identify victims of sexual assault and has not identified the accused rapist, who pleaded guilty in juvenile court to sexual assault.

The girl told Ms. von Waldow that he forced another student to have sex, as well.

Ms. von Waldow, according to the brief, immediately went to school administrators with concerns and offered several options to make sure the girls in question got home safely. They included offering herself to walk the girls to their school bus.

But, the filing said, school Principal Michael Ghilani had a different idea.

"Instead, Ghilani wanted to keep Jane Doe on school property and not let her leave. Ghilani's plan, known as the 'sting operation,' was to use Jane Doe as 'bait' to lead the school administrators to [the boy] and perhaps other girls."

According to a court filing submitted by the school district, Dr. Ghilani didn't believe that the students were in danger or that any safety concerns were present. Instead, he thought students were having consensual sex in school after hours.

He devised a plan to have school police officers follow the students in question to determine who they were and where they were going.

"Security personnel followed the students. Whether the sexual activity was alleged to be consensual or nonconsensual would not have altered the plan," Upper St. Clair said in its brief. "The plan to was to monitor the students and stop the students before any sexual activity occurred."

The officers followed the students and believed that they had gone home for the day.

However, an officer working night duty later saw on a school surveillance camera that the boy and another girl were back on the premises.

Though the officer then did rounds to find them, he never did.

The girl's attorneys contend that two girls were raped in the stairwell that afternoon, including their client.

"Ghilani's 'sting operation,' which prevented von Waldow from placing Jane Doe on her bus and out of harm's way so that she could be used as bait, resulted in her being violently raped. Ghilani and the school district acted in utter disregard of her welfare."

David J. Barton, the attorney representing the student, called Mr. Ghilani's attempt at a sting "ill-conceived."

"As a parent, I'm offended that a high school principal would use anybody's daughter as bait."

Among the claims by the girl and her parents are that school officials failed to act when they knew the boy was a threat.

They claim that several school administrators knew by mid-January that the boy was sexually harassing several girls and had sexually assaulted more than one.

Even so, the brief said, no one contacted the police.

But in court documents filed by the school district, there are allegations that relationships between the boy in question and several of the girls who claim to be victims were consensual. The district argues that the girls liked him, and were jealous of the others.

In one court filing, the district said that it could dispute whether the student who filed the lawsuit has been raped.

But following the incident, the girl's attorneys contend in documents, the suspect sent the girl this text message:

"im soo sry i didn't mean 2 make u cry. i'm cant believe i just raped u well bout time u read dis i mite b dead."

School officials also claim that they knew nothing of any sexual assaults by the boy until the morning of Feb. 5, 2008 -- the day after the alleged "sting."

In October 2008, the boy admitted in juvenile court to sexual assault, but not rape. He was said to be facing up to four years incarceration. The judge on the case, John T. McVay Jr., issued a gag order.

The plaintiffs on Thursday also accused the school district of lying on its annual Safe Schools Report, submitted in June 2008 to the state Department of Education. In that report, the district reported that no rapes had occurred at the high school during the school year.

Leah Harris, a spokeswoman at the Department of Education, said no discipline is provided for districts that do not report information accurately.

Because the law does not define the various offenses, she said, school districts use their own definitions.

For the 2007-08 school year, Upper St. Clair High School reported one instance of "obscene and other sexual materials and performance," one occurrence of recklessly endangering, and two instances of "threatening school officials and students."

In a written statement, the school district said it believed that the lawsuit should be dismissed because the plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden of proof. Officials would not comment further.
http://current.com/1e6m84c
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:01 am
@Arella Mae,
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Good Lord, there are three of them! Oh well, three that I will vote down and ignore.


Misogynists enjoy each other's company--they can bond while bashing women.

These three aren't satisfied that rape is a serious crime that deserves serious discussions--they want rape statistics to be even higher--in other words, they want to see even more women raped. The latest addition to this twisted trio carries rape denial to an even more absurd level--he insists that more males than females are victims are rape (of course, citing no statistics, research studies or other data to bolster his unsupportable, idiotic assertion). Perhaps the dumb dumb is trying to say that in male prisons more males than females are raped Laughing, since he seems to be grasping at straws to make his point. The other two are simply continuing their knee jerk attacks on anything we post, simply because they enjoy bashing the topic of rape and have nothing meaningful to add to the discussion, so they just re-hash their same old crap.

Ignoring them is very easy. Let them repeat their garbage to each other--their needs for attention are pathetic.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:21 am
From today's news--A youth pastor faces statutory rape charges--he's 38, she's 15. A great guy to have around young people. Rolling Eyes Well, he can't claim he didn't know she was jail bait--and apparently he didn't care.
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Roy youth pastor arrested, charged with raping teen from his flock
By bob mims
The Salt Lake Tribune
Published Nov 10, 2010

A Weber County youth pastor has been arrested and booked on nine counts of rape following a three-month investigation into his relationship with a teenage girl from his flock.

Roy Police Chief Greg Whinham said Wednesday that Aaron Witcher, also known locally as “Pastor Soulja,” allegedly began having sex with the then-15-year-old girl sometime this past summer. The investigation began in early August, after a Roy police officer found the two in a parked car and became suspicious.

“He was found with the victim sitting in a car in an [LDS Church] parking lot. The officer made contact, established who they said they were — that this was supposed to be an association of a pastor with a ‘troubled teen’ issue,” Whinman said. “Still, the situation gave the officer enough concern that it was passed on to our investigation division to do a follow-up.”

Whinham did not reveal specifics for the officer’s suspicions, but said a subsequent investigation produced admissions by the pair that their relationship was sexual.

“[Other] disclosures led to a search warrant being served on [Witcher’s] home last Thursday for computers and computer files,” Whinham said.

He would not say specifically that investigators were looking for child pornography, but the chief did confirm that, “Everything we seized went to the FBI’s Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force lab.”

Whinham balked at describing the relationship between Witcher and the girl as consensual. “When you are dealing with a predator — a pastor, a teacher or a policeman for that matter —and you are 15, you are going to be a victim,” he said. “Was [the sex] forced? No. Was it [allegedly] manipulative? Yes.”

Witcher, 38, remained in Weber County Jail Wednesday in lieu of $180,000 bond.

Detectives also are looking into Witcher’s past pastoral assignments, noting that he purportedly was asked to leave New Pilgrim Baptist Church in Salt Lake City, and more recently the Genesis Project church in Ogden.

In September, Witcher moved to Roy to begin his Crosswalk Christian Training Center. “The victim in this case was associated with him prior, while he was at Genesis,” Whinham said.

The investigation is moving beyond Witcher’s activities in Roy, however. “We’re still trying to fill in the blanks, but what we are seeing is a pattern of him putting himself in a position of trust around young people wherever he’s been,” the chief said.

Genesis Pastor Matt Roberts confirmed that “we severed our relationship with Aaron about five months ago ... for behavior that was not becoming of a minister.” Roberts declined to specify what led to the termination, but emphasized “the behavior was not of a sexual nature.”

He said he first learned of the sexual aspect of allegations against Witcher on Tuesday, and that they involved the girl, who was among about a dozen people who had left the congregation of 1,000 with Witcher when he was let go.

“We are fully cooperating with police,” Roberts said.

Telephone and e-mail messages left with New Pilgrim Baptist Church were not immediately returned Wednesday.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50647161-76/witcher-pastor-roy-investigation.html.csp

Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:26 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

I shouldnt have taken her at her word. Your position I find reasonable and very similar to mine.


Two peas in a pod.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:42 am
This is another interview with ESPN's Keri Potts about her near date rape experience while on vacation in Italy. It is the sort of thing that might happen to any woman on vacation, or anywhere else for that matter, even a woman like Keri Potts, who is smart, savvy, and physically strong.

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ESPN's Keri Potts: How I escaped my rapist
November 10, 2010

Keri Potts of ESPN recently recounted her escape from sexual violence during a holiday in Italy. On the last night of her Italian vacation in November, 2008, ESPN public relations executive Keri Potts let her guard down in Rome and agreed to join an Italian artist named Marco for a tour of his studio, then drinks at a local bar. When she rebuffed his sexual advances, he locked her inside his apartment and tried to rape her.

What followed was a bloody, hand-to-hand fight for survival, that surged from the cramped interior of the 6th floor walk up to the balcony outside.

In the December issue of women's magazine Marie Claire, Potts describes how she escaped her assailant by punching him repeatedly, leaping over the balcony railing to a small ledge below, then clambering to freedom over rooftops, ledges and balconies in the pitch dark.

Ultimately, her attacker plea-bargained and was sentenced to 11 months, ten days probation.

Game On!'s Michael McCarthy interviewed the 33-year old former women's volleyball co-captain and Academic All-American at Syracuse University. Her voice breaking at times, Potts related how her experience as an athlete helped get her in, then out, of the life and death confrontation. The harrowing ordeal strengthened her religious faith . She now attends church every weekend.

What reaction are you getting to your story?

People have been so supportive. I'm hearing from people all over the country, in and out of the industry. I'm hearing what I always hoped to hear. That's 'I'm sharing this with my daughters, my sister, my wife, my girlfriend.' Which is what you hope for. The person who commits sexual assault, it's almost too easy for them. They're banking on the fact you're not going to talk about it. You're not going to prosecute. You're not going to put yourself through that. That's why I did it. I had qualms but you have to talk about it.

Are you angry he escaped with no jail time?

The minute it came through, I was in the middle of a work event. It just took the wind right out of me. It was like a blow to my stomach. In time, my anger lessened. Due to two two things. It was that he had to pay my (legal) fees. At that time, I thought it was so unjust. He plea-bargains and I'm going to be on the hook for $10,000 (in legal fees)? That's what I was thinking. But when I got the verdict, and I actually read the statement that said there's no way (he'd) be absolved of the crimes, therefore it's encouraged that (he) plea-bargain, that said to me: the courts believe me. Then when he was responsible for paying, it made me feel even better...It took me a while to get there though.

Did he have a criminal record?

This is a first offense…as far as I know. My feeling was it was so calculating. The door was locked. He offered me rum. He tried offered me marijuana. He wrestled me for my purse after I pushed him off and told him to stop touching me. He said, 'Give me your purse,' and he was wrestling me for it. I'm going, 'Why the hell does this guy want my purse? Why does he want my ID?' Then when I went to the door and realized it was locked, I thought, 'Oh my God, this is actually happening.'

Do you think he wanted to kill you?

I thought, 'He's taking my ID so they won't know who the body is.' That was my thought. And there's not one thing he did that makes me think different. He was stalking me around the table. He stood in front of the patio door. His back was to the patio and he was facing me. He had such a triumphant look on his face. He reached behind and starts pulling the shutter over the glass as if to say, 'I'm not going to want people to see what's going to happen here.' That's when I threw myself through that door. In self-defense (classes), they say if there's an exit available, you have to take it. That changed everything. The minute I was out in the open, it changed the entire dynamic. But it was hand-to-hand combat. It was really hard.

He punched you in the face?

Yes...I posted my hospital report on my blog today. It was all deep contusions. But I got my nose X-rayed, my ribs and my left hand. I thought it was broken from the battle.

Are you left-handed?

No, I'm not. I was hitting him with both my left and right hand but my left hand was one that got injured...He was drunk. Very drunk. And I was stone-cold sober. That was the best thing because he was so much bigger than me…I shoved him enough that he would go backwards and he would fall. But I was getting very tired. It was exhausting.

Describe the attack?

We had six go-rounds of him coming at me -- and me deflecting and shoving him back. Then him coming and me shoving him back. Then him hitting me in the face. I turned around finally decided, 'I've had enough.' I remember the look of surprise when it went from me trying to get him off, to me attacking him. That was the difference in everything. I will never forget the look of surprise on his face. That's the moment I don't take credit for. That's either in you or not. Until you're in mortal danger you do not know that. I can sit here and think I'm the toughest person. And I get in that situation and what did my body do? I almost wet myself. I remember saying, 'Oh my God, what is happening right now?' My brain was saying, 'Attack.' But my body was saying, 'No.'

Did you say anything to him, or did he say anything to you, during the assault?

One of the last things I said to him was, 'You will not get away with this.'…The worst part was he was speaking almost complete Italian the last 20 minutes I was up there. I said to myself, 'I'm going to go because the nice part about us talking and exchanging stories is over. He's in his own world now.'…When I got to that door he said, 'You're not going anywhere.' His English was suddenly perfect. That sent a chill through me. That's when I knew this was really bad . I thought, 'Where the hell did that come from?' He says: 'No, you're not going anywhere. I'm very angry with you.' Then I said, 'Open the f------door. This is ridiculous.' I was trying to be forceful. Then when he threw the keys away and he started coming around the table I got very nervous. My body started to have a weird response. I was shaking. He could see that -- and it made him so confident. I was very mad at myself. I'm thinking, 'What is going on right now Keri, let's get your act together.' I thought I was going to wet myself and fall in a heap. Then the adrenalin shot through me. My back went ramrod straight. I was just in the zone. In the zone. It was on. I felt: Let's do this.

What happened when you jumped over the patio railing?

I put my hands on the concrete pillars, balanced myself, and I remembered hearing my shoulder pop. I went over it kind of sideways. Wasn't very graceful. My sweater (got caught) on one of the crossbars. It almost impaled me through my chin. It went right past my face. I was just hanging in my sweater. Not quite down. I was well over the wall. But I wasn't six feet down to the ledge. He grabbed me by the neck. He cut me all over my face with his nails. At that point, I felt like he should have let go of me. Just let me go. He's trying to pull me back up by my head and my neck…He kept saying, 'Shush, shush, shush, shush, shush.' I know I'm so close. I'm thinking, 'This damned sweater.' I just kept pulling and pulling my body weight down. And it snapped. I went flying down into some potted plants. But that ledge was only three feet wide.

Advice for other women?

I'm lucky the way God made me. That was my response...Women who actually go through this ordeal , who are raped, and manage to survive and rebuild their lives, they are my heroes. I know I was not raped. But I know what the experience was like to realize you're about to be. I'm lucky. I look to women who were raped and I think, 'You are so amazing.' Honestly, if he had raped me, there never would have been an investigation. All he would have had to say is it was consensual.

Do you think he's sexually assaulted other women?

I feel he has because of the ease with which he did it. It was not haphazard to me. He seemed very comfortable in that role. He was stalking me around the table, making fun of me. He pretended to call the police. He kept making fun of me. He took my scarf off of me. He was very, very proud of himself. There was a look in his eye I'll never forget. I told the prosecutor that. I said, 'I know this is not the first time.' I can't prove it. It's just my word. But what man does that to someone?

As a former Division I athlete did you ever think something like this would happen to you?

I think anyone looking at me would say, 'No, not her.' My carriage, the way I carry myself ...I'm not a tiny girl (the 5'10" Potts weighed about 155 pounds at the time of the attack). But I can tell you it's what saved my life: Sports. Sports saved my life. I said I can do this. Just get me over that railing, I've got this. Just get me there. I never questioned my ability to do it. But the part that was hardest was when I was standing on the rooftops. I almost flipped right off the fourth rooftop. I have a photo of it on my blog (To see an in-depth explanation and photos of her escape route, click here). It was Spanish tiling and it was mossy. It was 2 in the morning so it was really wet. I started going backwards. I was getting frantic. I yelled at myself like I do when I play sports: 'C'mon, you have got this Keri.' The whole time I'm making these jumps and sliding and falling, I'm going, 'You got it, you got it Keri, keep going, keep going, keep going.' That little mental refrain that I think every athlete has when they're struggling with something…That's what I used to tell myself when I was on the court at Syracuse.

Do you feel like you went against your better instincts by going up to Marco's apartment?

Absolutely. And that was the hardest part: forgiving myself for that. There's a reason God made me the way he did. There's a reason my comfort zone is X to Y. That's where I do well. The minute I went outside of that, I got slammed…I'm a pretty cautious person. I have traveled overseas by myself a lot. But I've always done really well because I have my parameters. I'm savvy enough. I work in New York. I'm never down for scams. I do pretty well. And yet I just kind of let myself down. Someone said to me when you travel a lot in Europe you tend to get a little overconfident. Like you're not just some tourist. Like you're in the know somehow. It gives you this false sense of security. I have a post coming (on her blog) in which I talk about hubris. I never thought I'd be in this situation. It just shows you it happens to anyone, anytime, no matter what you think of yourself.

Does being an athlete give you a sense of security while traveling?

Yes, it gave me a false sense of security. Look how well that worked out for me, right? I almost got raped. But at the same time, it's what got me through it. I would tell anyone, 'Take care of your body if you can.' There's things you learn from it. The ability to keep pushing through when you're hurt, when you're in pain. The things that I did were ingrained.

What injuries did you suffer?

The next day I felt even my fingertips were broken. I had such deep bone bruises...I had to have my shoulder surgery moved up. When they opened it up, it was completely dislocated and ripped out. My doctor said, 'What the hell happened to you?' I said, 'I hurt myself in this assault.'…I think I tore something in my ribs. I couldn't breathe until almost April, (4 1/2 months after the attack)…He picked me up by my belt. I remember feeling this pop.

Who do you want to read your story?

My target is women. That's why I went to Marie Claire. But I always wanted to reach men too. I think because of what I do, and the world I'm in, you have to get it to men. Men need to read this.They have daughters and girlfriends and wives…It takes everybody to make sure sexual assault is brought out into the open and exposed.

What would you say to women who find themselves in the same situation?

There's no blanket phrase or saying for them. You do what you feel you have to, is what I'd say. If your instinct is you can't battle him, and you're better to just not fight it, and that's what's going to help you survive, do it. I can tell you this: you will know in that moment what you need to do to get through it.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/11/keri-potts/1


This was the earlier post about Keri Pott's ordeal with the man who tried to rape her, it is the full interview she gave to Marie Caire and it contains more details about what happened.
http://able2know.org/topic/158723-240#post-4408641
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:10 pm
@firefly,
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It is the sort of thing that might happen to any woman on vacation, or anywhere else for that matter, even a woman like Keri Potts, who is smart, savvy, and physically strong.


It surely can happen to any woman dumb enough to end up in some guy apartment she just met alone in a foreign country.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:17 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Good Lord, there are three of them! Oh well, three that I will vote down and ignore.


LOL...................
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:24 pm
@firefly,
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they want rape statistics to be even higher


You are the female charmer who are pumping up the numbers and hate the idea that reported rapes are now at a 30 years low in the US.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:26 pm
@Intrepid,
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Two peas in a pod.


Three peas in this pod.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:50 pm
@firefly,
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These three aren't satisfied that rape is a serious crime that deserves serious discussions--they want rape statistics to be even higher--in other words, they want to see even more women raped.
).


So Firefly you going with the big lie technique once more that many a fine men and women had develop over the centuries. Too bad you was not born in Germany in the 1920s as you would had been a big asset to the German government of the late 30s to mid 40s in my opinion.

The claim alone that 1/4 of women are rape when attending college that you support is a fine example of this big lie method.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

[All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.[/size] For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 01:10 pm
@BillRM,
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Three peas in this pod.
I am sure that there are more who are too filled with fear to allow themselves to be heard, and there are more joining us all the time as the fantasy driven agenda turned into law increasingly chews up individuals lives and wrecks its havoc upon relationships and erotic functioning.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 01:41 pm
@Intrepid,
It's amusing to watch them make such assholes of themselves.

For instance, Billy Buffoon blamed Keri Potts in the near date rape experience she described by saying:
"It surely can happen to any woman dumb enough to end up in some guy apartment she just met alone in a foreign country".

So, after he first blames the victim, he's saying women shouldn't trust men. What difference does it make whether it's a foreign country or not? Do men in the U.S. wear signs that say "I'm a Rapist" and "I'm Not a Rapist"? He's actually admitting a woman can't trust a man she recently met and might want to get to know better. Why? Because some men rape and there is no way the woman can tell beforehand. So, as Billy Buffoon points out, men can't be trusted.

After admitting that men can't be trusted, which is why women shouldn't go to their apartments, Billy Buffoon then complains about women who see "evil predators" everywhere and are concerned about the possibility of being raped. Well, aren't these women sharing his own awareness that there are rapists out there--and you can't tell who they are until they attempt the rape? So, the women aren't being foolish in their concerns, are they, Billy Buffoon?

Does the dolt see the contradictions in his own thinking? The lack of logic? Don't be silly--when it comes to insight, Billy Buffoon is blind as a bat.Laughing

And his buddy, Blindeye, thinks that laws interfere with "erotic functioning". Doesn't he think that the possibility of getting raped might interfere with a woman's "erotic functioning"--and limit her choices and sense of trust with men?

That's why it's so funny watching all three of these jerks make such fools of themselves.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 01:52 pm
@firefly,
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That's why it's so funny watching all three of these jerks make such fools of themselves.
I know of no correlation between being a jerk and being wrong. You are as always running an emotional approach in your attempt to win the day. Could this be because the facts and evidence do not support your argument? I think so.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 02:03 pm
Caroline has complained, in this thread, about the situation in the U.K..
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Rapes reported by victims soar by 48 per cent in just one year
Wednesday, 10 November 2010

THE number of reported rapes in Enfield has rocketed by almost 50 per cent.

According to the latest figures released by the Metropolitan Police, between September 2008 to September 2009 there were 82 reported rapes in Enfield. In the following 12 months there were 122 rapes – a rise of 48 per cent.

The pattern was repeated across London where there was also a rise, although at 32 per cent it was not as steep as in Enfield.

In neighbouring borough Haringey the number of rapes reported more than doubled, going from 61 in the 12 months to September 2009 to 142 in the following year.

But despite the huge increase in the number of reported rapes, including women and men, the conviction rate in the UK stands at just six per cent.

According to a police spokeswoman, the huge rise in the number of rapes is down to the way the crimes are recorded and a rise in the number of victims brave enough to come forward and report the crime.

Following the 2009 conviction of black cab driver John Worboys, from Enfield, who carried out a string of sexual assaults on women in the back of his taxi, more women may have decided to report an attack to the police.

It was after Worboys’ conviction that the Met centralised Sapphire, a unit set up to tackle sex attacks, so that rapes would no longer be dealt with by individual borough forces.

Among the cases dealt with in Enfield was the rape of a young man in December last year.

The 21-year-old was raped by two men after he accepted a lift home from a stranger following a night out in Enfield. No one has been charged with the crime.

After reporting a rape to the police, victims are offered counselling and medical care at one of three Haven centres in London, where staff are all trained to help victims.

According to a police spokeswoman, Sapphire officers are now concentrating on rapes carried out by strangers and bringing a higher number of rape cases to court.

A police spokeswoman said: “The new single command structure of Sapphire has created increased accountability, with better trained and more experienced staff and centralised intelligence.

“We continue to work to increase the number of cases which progress to trial and the Crown Prosecution Service has now established a specialist rape-charging centre for London, geared towards bringing robust cases to court as quickly as possible.

“We recognise not all victims of sexual offences desire a criminal justice outcome, nor is it possible to secure the level of evidence required for many cases to proceed to court.

“From 2010/11, victims’ satisfaction with how they were treated by officers will form a key performance target for the unit.”

http://www.northlondon-today.co.uk/News.cfm?id=39567&headline=Rapes%20reported%20by%20victims%20soar%20by%2048%20per%20cent%20in%20just%20one%20year





BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 02:52 pm
@firefly,
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For instance, Billy Buffoon blamed Keri Potts in the near date rape experience she described by saying:
"It surely can happen to any woman dumb enough to end up in some guy apartment she just met alone in a foreign country".


In theory a women should be able to go into a crack house get high, get naked and then passed out on the floor and wake up without having been rape.

Still I would not call such a woman bright or what ever Firefly call the lady in her story.

Now as far as trust between a man and a woman we are not talking about a random bar pickup and any woman who had done so is living at high risk by her own choice in the matter!!!!!!!

True in my younger days I did gain from time to time because some woman did placed such trust in me but it is a high risk thing to do for any woman.

To sum up not all women who travel is at similar risk of attack unless they decide to run that risk.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:01 pm
@firefly,
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According to the latest figures released by the Metropolitan Police, between September 2008 to September 2009 there were 82 reported rapes in Enfield. In the following 12 months there were 122 rapes – a rise of 48 per cent.

The pattern was repeated across London where there was also a rise, although at 32 per cent it was not as steep as in Enfield.


A firefly smell test alert.

You can picked areas out because of random fluke that have rapes go up and you can also picked areas that by random fluke have rapes go down that is kind of meaningless.

The US is at a 30 years of reported rape low nationwide that does not mean that
if you care to you can not find areas where rapes are at an all time high if you look hard enough for them.

I will see it there is a figure for the UK as a whole not some areas of the UK.
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:18 pm
Interesting the FBI is doing the collecting of data the same way and reported raped are at a 30 years low but the UK is changing it methods and admitted that this is effecting the numbers being reported.

But then Firefly is only happy when numbers of rapes are going up not down.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3074845.stm


Is rape really rocketing?


Are there more attacks, or more women coming forward?
Startling figures suggest female rapes have soared in the UK in recent years, going up 27% in the last year alone.
Are so many more women really being attacked? Or is there another story behind the statistics?

There were 11,441 recorded rapes last year, according to latest police figures.

This compares to 8,990 the year before - and 6,281 when Labour came to power in 1997, a rise of 82%.

Police and the Home Office said the figures had shot up partly because of new ways of collecting statistics.
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:28 pm
Feminists are playing the same kinds of games in the UK as in the US.

The only solid facts in the US is the FBI report and I am looking for a similar reporting in the UK.



http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000178.html

Distorted U.K. Rape Statistics?
Crime and Punishment | May 22, 2003 | Tim
On the flip side of my last article, Melanie Philllips of England's Daily Mail comments:

According to [recent UK reports], no fewer than one in every 20 women aged between 16 and 59 in England and Wales has been raped, and one in ten has experienced some form of 'sexual victimisation'...

The devil here is in the definition. To most people, rape means sexual penetration against the victim's consent, which implies of necessity an act of violence or the threat of violence... the definition of "forced against your will" is highly subjective. It can so easily translate into "if you didn't want to", which can become meaningless. Although the study claims the word 'forced' implies an assault, it does nothing of the kind... A woman might feel forced to have sex against her will, for example, if her lover tells her that otherwise he will leave here for another woman. Or she might be an unwilling participant because he is drunk, or hasn't had a bath for a week, or she doesn't love him.

The crucial point is that in such circumstances she is participating in sex even though she could choose not to do so. She is therefore not the victim of violence. By any fair-minded or common-sense definition, this is not rape...

elieve it or not, the 'raped' women in the survey themselves don't think what has happened to them is rape. The study actually admits that, of the women who the researchers said had been raped, fewer than two thirds themselves described what had happened to them as rape. And fewer than three quarters of those who the researchers said had experienced sexual victimisation thought of this as a crime...

The ideological bias that is clearly driving this research is underlined by a crucial omission. The study says that most sexual violence is committed by partners. But -- highly significantly -- it omits to make a distinction between partners and spouses. It therefore does not tell us whether women suffer as much sexual assault from husbands as from boyfriends or cohabitants.

Yet all the available research suggests that the risk of sexual violence is negligible within marriage, and is hugely increased among cohabitants or more casual sexual partners. Marriage is actually the best physical protection against sexual violence.

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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:37 pm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7013303.ece

Tories accused of fiddling violent crime statisticsSam Coates
The Conservatives have been accused by police of misusing official statistics after sending out figures suggesting violent crime had soared under Labour.

Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary, was criticised after Conservative headquarters sent activists figures comparing levels of violent crime in their constituency between 1999 and 2008. Official statisticians say this is misleading because the method of collecting data was changed in 2002.

The figures were sent to Tory MPs and candidates in constituencies throughout England and Wales to drive home David Cameron’s claim that Labour has presided over the creation of a “broken Britain”.

They omitted Home Office warnings that the figures for the periods before and after 2002 were not comparable because of a change in the way violent crime was recorded.

Before 2002 the decision as to whether an incident was a violent crime had been taken by police. After 2002, officers were obliged to record all incidents as violent crimes if the alleged victim said that is what it was.

The effect was to force up recorded violence by an estimated 35 per cent in the first year.

This came to light after the Milton Keynes MP Mark Lancaster put out a statement saying there were 6,015 "violent attacks" in the town last year, reflecting a 236 per cent increase over the past decade. The figures were given to Mr Lancaster by Conservative Central Office.

This infuriated the local police chief, who told the Milton Keynes Citizen newspaper that the statistics are “extremely misleading”.

Nikki Ross, the local commander, said that the figure includes “everything from public order offences, to harassment, to allowing a dog to be out of control in a public place”.

“The actual number of people who were victims of serious violence was 81,” she said.

Jacqui Smith, the former home secertary, raised the issue at Prime Minister’s Question Time in the Commons saying that the Tories had been “caught bang to rights issuing dodgy crime figures”.

Gordon Brown responded: “I think we all have a duty in the debate about law and order to give out all the facts that are relevant.

“To misrepresent facts that have come from the police and the British Crime Survey is not to allow us to have a fair debate in this country.”

Mr Grayling denied any wrongdoing, insisting that the Home Office itself had used the same data set to draw comparisons on other issues.

Mr Grayling told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “There are certainly changes in the recording methods, but the point is that they are the only comparators available. They are published by the Home Office.

“We don’t create crime figures. We use the official crime figures published by the Home Office. The Home Office has continued to use the same comparators.”

However, the Tories’ own former leader Iain Duncan Smith appeared to accept that the practice was wrong, telling the BBC that his Centre for Social Justice thinktank “has long understood the inaccuracy of directly comparing present crime levels with those published before the National Crime Recording Standard was introduced”.

Alan Johnson, Home Secretary, pointed to evidence from the British Crime Survey that violent crime has fallen by 41 per cent since 1997.

“Crime is down by 36 per cent since 1997 and violent crime down by 41 per cent. These statistics are recognised by everyone - except David Cameron and Chris Grayling - as accurate.

“It’s one thing to make a slip-up on your figures - it’s quite another to deliberately mislead.”

But Mr Grayling said that the British Crime Survey was not a reliable guide to violent crime because it omits offences like murder and manslaughter.

“If you talk to anybody in the streets, and particularly in the poorest areas which are most affected by violent crime, you will find people will absolutely say that violent crime has risen sharply over the last 10 years,” he said.

“The problem we have got to deal with is not debates over statistics. It is actually sorting out these problems, it is delivering better policing in these areas and getting to grips with the problems in these communities.”


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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:56 pm
The UK is in more of a mess with their crime statistic then the US and comparing one year to another with constantly changing standards is meaningless.

After last year, they just added crimes committed by 16 years olds and younger for example.

Thank god for the non-changing FBI statistics!!!!!!!
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