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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 07:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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What a pathetic loser
I strongly believe that you either dont wait for an enthusiastic "YES!" from your wife, or else you make due with a lessor level of consent, at least some times. Do you really want to swear allegiance to these puritans?? I think it is you whom diminish your reputation, not those who refuse to do so.


It has a lot to do with respect. Something that you wouldn't know anything about.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 07:48 pm
@Intrepid,
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It has a lot to do with respect. Something that you wouldn't know anything about
Ya, respect the other person enough to give them what they want, help make then happy, without demanding absurd levels of consent and chit chat for each and everything that I do.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 07:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Consent to sex isn’t an “Ugh, okay,” or an “Ummm… I guess.” It’s only an enthusiastic yes.


Hawkeye they are as crazy as crazy as can be if they do not consider the about consent.

Consent now have to be given in the manner of a cheerleader or it is rape it would seems.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 07:53 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye they are as crazy as crazy as can be if they do nor consider the about consent.

Consent now have to be given in the manner of a cheerleader or it is rape it would seems.
Do you believe me yet when I claim that what we are dealing with are throwbacks to the old puritans who demand that we engage in as little sex as possible??
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 07:58 pm
@Intrepid,
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You blame the woman, in every case for being raped.


Sorry I not blaming the victim as in the cases I am talking there in no victims and no rapes.

A woman who had been drinking have as must right to consent to sex as a
man who had been drinking.

If a woman have regrets the next day because she had grant consent under the influence that she would not had done so not under the influence does not turn the sex into rape or her into a victim.

Her solution is not to get so high the next night not to get some poor guy lock up who she had been out drinking with,
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 08:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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It has a lot to do with respect. Something that you wouldn't know anything about
Ya, respect the other person enough to give them what they want, help make then happy, without demanding absurd levels of consent and chit chat for each and everything that I do.


Respect the person enough to not be an asshole rapist. Respect the other person enough to not use them for your own selfish purpose. Respect the other person enough to treat them as a human being rather than a plaything. Respect the other person enough to put them before yourself. Respect the other person enough to treat them as any sane person would treat them.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 08:16 pm
@Intrepid,
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Respect the person enough to not be an asshole rapist. Respect the other person enough to not use them for your own selfish purpose. Respect the other person enough to treat them as a human being rather than a plaything. Respect the other person enough to put them before yourself. Respect the other person enough to treat them as any sane person would treat them.


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 08:26 pm
@BillRM,
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A woman who had been drinking have as must right to consent to sex as a
man who had been drinking
not according to current law. this right has been removed.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 09:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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BillRM (Post 4396979)
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A woman who had been drinking have as must right to consent to sex as a
man who had been drinking

Hawkeye
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not according to current law. this right has been removed.


You two birdbrains overlook the fact that rape and sexual assault laws do not define the victim's rights to engage in an act. The laws define what constitutes violations, assaults, crimes--done by someone else to the victim.

The law doesn't put obligation on the victim to give consent, the obligation is on the person performing the sex act to be sure he has consent. In certain situations--i.e. an underage person, a very intoxicated woman--the law defines it as a non consensual situation in order to deter sexual contact with those individuals under such conditions. If a 12 year agrees to have sex with a 26 year old, there is no punishment to the 12 year old. The person breaking the law is the 26 year old. Similarly, the law does not stop the very intoxicated woman from being able to have sexual contact, but, the person who chooses to have sexual contact with her, can face rape charges. The law is not restricting her behavior, it is written to restrict the behavior of others toward her. That is a very important distinction.

The law is meant to deter rapes.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 07:10 am
@firefly,
Sorry dear one, you are far from a lawyer and you can claim the law is want ever you care for it to be that however does not made it so.

By your logic I had been rape more the once because but for the influence of alcohol I would never had ended up in bed with some woman or consider her as a sexual partner.

So as a victim of rape I should not had just said to myself I need to cut down on the drinking but instead run to the police and report my partner of the night before as a rapist.

You do desire to take away the rights and freedoms of adult women to have sex with any amount of alcohol blood in their blood stream.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 07:18 am
@hawkeye10,
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not according to current law. this right has been removed.


That in fact not current law in most areas of the world encluding in most states in the US.

The woman need to be only semi-aware to turn sex into rape not just under the influence.

See my UK posting also on the same subject.

What the law is and what the Fireflies of the world what it to be do not as yet have a one to one connection thank god.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 07:25 am
@firefly,
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obligation is on the person performing the sex act to be sure he has consent


Firefly you must had an odd sex life because I never have an sexual encounter where both I and my female partner had not performed sex acts on each other.

In your strange world it look like the only sex acts are perform by the male with the woman just lying there.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 08:21 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:

BillRM (Post 4396979)
Quote:
A woman who had been drinking have as must right to consent to sex as a
man who had been drinking

Hawkeye
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not according to current law. this right has been removed.


You two birdbrains overlook the fact that rape and sexual assault laws do not define the victim's rights to engage in an act. The laws define what constitutes violations, assaults, crimes--done by someone else to the victim.

The law doesn't put obligation on the victim to give consent, the obligation is on the person performing the sex act to be sure he has consent. In certain situations--i.e. an underage person, a very intoxicated woman--the law defines it as a non consensual situation in order to deter sexual contact with those individuals under such conditions. If a 12 year agrees to have sex with a 26 year old, there is no punishment to the 12 year old. The person breaking the law is the 26 year old. Similarly, the law does not stop the very intoxicated woman from being able to have sexual contact, but, the person who chooses to have sexual contact with her, can face rape charges. The law is not restricting her behavior, it is written to restrict the behavior of others toward her. That is a very important distinction.

The law is meant to deter rapes.
In the scenario that u have delineated,
the law has (by intimidation) put everyone beyond the reach of the drunk,
such that the "punishment" is enforced celebacy, until sobriety. Right ?





David
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 10:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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In the scenario that u have delineated,
the law has (by intimidation) put everyone beyond the reach of the drunk,
such that the "punishment" is enforced celebacy, until sobriety. Right ?


Not really. The law refers only to the behaviors of those who have contact with the extremely drunken woman. The underlying assumption is that the drunk is too cognitively impaired to even make a meaningful, fully conscious and aware decision, about whether "celibacy" is desired or not. Therefore, there is no "punishment", even in an indirect sense, if the drunk is not legally seen as able to make rational decisions in an intoxicated state about what they want or do not want.

The law seems not to be problematic for those women who do get drunk. There are no protests from large groups of women demanding that the law be abolished. There are no outcries that the law is "punishing" them. The people the law is intended to protect are not complaining about it. Nor is any woman compelled to report a rape that occurs under such conditions of intoxication, it is simply an option that is available to her.

The complaints we are hearing, certainly in this thread, are from men who resent the fact that extremely intoxicated females are legally off limits to them. They don't care how impaired the female is, they don't like the restrictions placed on their behavior under such circumstances. And then they complain that, once the woman sobers up, she may consider what they did to her a rape and report it to the police. If it was their choice to violate the law, they really cannot cry "foul" when they are subjected to the consequences of their own actions. If they don't want to violate law, they should control their own behaviors.

What is difficult to understand, in terms of this discussion, is why it is such a hardship to forgo sexual contact with an extemely drunken woman until she sobers up so she fully knows what she's doing.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 10:50 am
@firefly,
And I would assume a woman would need to keep her hands off a drunken man also under the risk of being lock up for twenty years.

Can not wait until the first woman is lock up under Firefly ideal rape laws.LOL
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 10:57 am
@BillRM,
Men are free to report a sexual assault if they feel they have been sexually assaulted, by either a male or female, under any conditions.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 11:04 am
@firefly,
Sure they are and a cross complain for rape might just become common under your ideal rapes laws and that would be amusing.

I would love to be on a jury for such a case.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 11:05 am
When you knowingly violate a law, you are subject to the consequences of the law. This man should certainly have known he was violating the law. There have been complaints about sex trafficking going on on Craig's List. That might have been one reason for this sting operation.
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Retired police officer charged with attempted rape of 12-year-old girl
October 30, 2010
by JAMILA T. WILLIAMS

CLEVELAND — A retired Cleveland police officer was arrested Thursday after being accused of traveling to have sex with a 12-year-old girl.

According to police, 53-year-old Robert Bonness, responded to an ad posted on Craigslist in July that advertised a father and daughter interested in a “special person.”

A 23-year veteran, Bonness retired as a Cleveland patrol officer in 2009, and faces charges of attempted rape and possession of criminal tools, Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas records show.

Following his initial communications in July, Bonness continued communicating with whom he believed to be the father of the 12-year-old girl, but was really an undercover detective for the Ohio Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.

Bonness told the agent he wanted to have sex with the fictitious 12-year-old girl and have her dress innocently in a cheerleading uniform. When Bonness arranged to meet the father and his daughter Thursday in North Olmsted he was arrested by North Olmsted police officers.

A search warrant was executed at Bonness’ Parma home and his computer was confiscated to be analyzed by investigators. He is being held on a $250,000 bond.
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/10/30/news/mj3571919.txt

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 11:15 am
@firefly,
No way he could ever say he didn't know since he was once a cop. That is just disgusting. I will never understand men or women that want to have sex with a child. I don't want to understand them. It is just plain evil.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2010 11:18 am
@firefly,
Thank u, counsellor; u put that cogently n succinctly.





David
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