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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 06:58 pm
@JustBrooke,
You be careful Brooke. You so busted him on his bragging about his computer prowess! Now, he's squiggling like a worm on a hook trying to get out of it.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:30 pm
@Arella Mae,
I agree that control/dominance is the most common factor in all rapes.

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:35 pm
@firefly,
Do you think control is the triggering factor or is it something else? Or are the other factors a byproduct of the control issue? I'm not sure I am making this very clear I know what I'm trying to say just having a hard time saying it.

I almost forgot, that guy that all those women testified against, is his case over?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:40 pm
Quote:
Martinez donates $20K because of Texan's rape joke
© 2010 The Associated Press
Oct. 14, 2010,
SANTA FE, N.M. — Republican gubernatorial candidate Susana Martinez is giving a Las Cruces rape crisis center the campaign contributions received from a company founded by Texas oilman Clayton Williams, who once said victims of rape should "relax and enjoy it."

Martinez, a district attorney in Las Cruces, is running against Democrat Diane Denish.

Clayton Williams Energy of Midland, Texas, had given Martinez $20,000 in the primary and general elections.

The Martinez campaign announced the donation after Denish and the Democratic Party called Wednesday for a return of the money because of Williams' rape comment.

Williams was the Texas GOP gubernatorial nominee in 1990 when he compared the weather to rape: "If it's inevitable," Williams said, "just relax and enjoy it." He later apologized for the remark.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7246908.html

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:47 pm
@firefly,
Relax and enjoy it????????????? What is wrong with people? Some people are so wicked it is sickening. How could anyone make a joke about rape? And seriously, if I was that crisis center, I'd burn the money and send the ashes to the company. You can't buy your way out of such things.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 07:51 pm
@Arella Mae,
There are other factors
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/CrimPsych/CPSG-5.htm

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Violent offenders who rape their victims fall into different categories. These are different types of rapists, who rape for different reasons and do it in different ways. Nonetheless, they are all monsters. Profiles created for each kind of rapist can be used to track down and punish the different types of rapists accordingly.

The Power Reassurance Rapist is the most common type of rapist. He usually will carry a weapon or claim to be, but will not use it or use any more force than necessary to fulfill his fantasy. He wants to express his power through sex, not physical injury. This offender spends an extended period of time with the victim, may compliment her appearance, and may even apologize for what he has just done to her.

The Power Assertive Rapist is primarily concerned with showing how "manly" he is through extreme violence. Unlike the Power Reassurance Rapist, this one is not concerned with the extent of suffering of the victim and usually uses more force than necessary to subdue her.

The Anger Retaliatory Rapist is even more violent. He has a deep hatred towards women and so lashes out against them. Many of his victims require hospitalization.

The Anger Excitation Rapist or sexual sadist is sexually stimulated by the amount of suffering his victim endures. He is the most dangerous type of rapist.

The Opportunistic Rapist will rape someone during another crime taking place, for instance, a robbery or kidnapping. He does not spend very much time with the victim and is usually either high or drunk during the ordeal.

http://www.bxscience.edu/publications/forensics/articles/psychologicalprofiles/f-psyc01.htm


With non stranger rapes the primary motives are control, power, and dominance.

That man's trial in California is over--he was sentenced to 59 years. Now he's going to trial in NYC for similar charges. Then I think he may face similar charges in Texas. He sexually abused a very high number of women.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:01 pm
@firefly,
Oh thank you for posting that! I knew there was a sadist type rapist but didn't know the others had been classified.

59 years and he's going to trial again? Good! Maybe he will get an even longer sentence than Andrew Luster did. I know these rapists going to jail doesn't change a lot for the women that were raped but at least those women can know they helped to keep it from happening to anyone else.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:12 pm
This time a nun in India alleges she was raped--more than once--by an acquaintance, the head of a college.

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College Principal removed from post
PTI | 07:10 PM,Oct 13,2010
Tiruchirappalli,Oct13(PTI) The Principal of the St Joseph College here, accused of raping a nun, has been relieved from the post,officials said today. "The College Management has relieved Father R.Rajarathinam from the Post with immediate effect," officials said. A new person would take over as Principal-in-charge from today,they said. Police said Rajarathinam was absconding.They had registered cases against him underIPC sections for raping and criminal intimidation. Meanwhile the rape victim was subjected to medical examination and the report would be submitted either today or tomorrow,police said. The woman, in her complaint, said the man, who used to visit the college where she was doing her graduation in music, once invited her to his college.The man had then drugged and raped her. She was raped several times over a period of two years since 2006, she said in her complaint. She had also alleged that he also recorded the incident on his cell phone and threatened to make it public if she disclosed the matter to anyone. The complainant said she became pregnant in 2008, but was forced to undergo an abortion at a private hospital. The Principal had threatened her with dire consequences several times and sexually harassed her, she alleged. Members of the 'Makkal Kalai Ilayakkiya Kazhagam,' (People's Cultural and Literary Front), organised a demonstration today demanding action against the former Principal.
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/college-principal-removed-from-post/409300.html
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:16 pm
@firefly,
A nun? By a priest? The bible is so true when it says the love of many will wax cold and men will become lovers of themselves given over to vile affections. We see it more and more everyday. It can be so very disheartening, can't it?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:23 pm
This college student was lucky her ex-boyfriend didn't kill her. This is the kind of situation where women get killed by ex-lovers.
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Mankato dormitory rape suspect caught after car crashes
A 100-mph chase ended with an arrest in Wisconsin.
By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune
October 14, 2010 - 8:26 PM

A Minnesota college student accused of raping his ex-girlfriend in her dormitory room set off a high-speed chase that ended in a western Wisconsin woods after his car crashed, authorities said.

Quyumba Wilson, 20, who attends Minnesota State University, Mankato, was apprehended Wednesday near Eau Claire. He was thwarted in his flight to Chicago when his car, going about 100 miles per hour, drove over "stop sticks" placed on Interstate 94 by a state trooper, according to the Wisconsin State Patrol.

Wilson fled on foot into the woods, the patrol said, and with the help of a patrol helicopter, he was found 30 minutes later and surrendered.

In charges filed Tuesday in Blue Earth County, Wilson's ex-girlfriend told police that Wilson started contacting her Sunday through Facebook, insisting that they meet. She resisted before agreeing to talk with him by phone, a conversation that lasted more than two hours.

As she started to leave her McElroy Hall dorm room, Wilson was at the door. He punched her in the stomach, attempted to strangle her, raped her and held her in her room for more than an hour, according to the charges.

During that time, the charges said, Wilson told the woman that he would fight any attempt to arrest him, had "nothing to live for" and intended to kill himself.

Wilson was charged with stalking, kidnapping, domestic assault by strangulation and first-degree criminal sexual conduct.

The woman told police that Wilson assaulted her previously and that she had a no-contact court order issued against him.

In November, Wilson was arrested after a knifing in downtown Mankato. He pleaded guilty in August to third-degree assault.
http://www.startribune.com/local/104970634.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:26 pm
@firefly,
The good thing is there was that protective order! The bad thing is that piece of paper will be more valuable at the trial then it was in protecting her. He is 20 years old. A whole life ahead of him and he threw it away for what? Rape is such a senseless crime!
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:34 pm
This is an interesting study...

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Shockingly, Men's Memory Is Affected By Attractive Women
By Belinda Luscombe Thursday,
October 14, 2010

You know that situation where a guy in a bar just keeps hitting on a woman who everyone else can tell is just not interested? Awkward. Turns out it may be that he just doesn't remember what her body language has already said. Also, he probably hasn't had many girlfriends before. (Like we needed science to figure that out.) And he may not be a good guy to date (see last parenthetical comment). This problem may actually be worse for women who aren't as good-looking.

A new study from the University of Iowa asked young men to look at photos of young women. The women were posing in either a come-hither way, expressing sexual interest, or a go-thither way, expressing a lack of desire and vague repulsion.

About 20 minutes later the researchers showed the guys the same photos, mingled in with pictures of some of the same women expressing the opposite emotion of the one they'd expressed before. The men were asked if they had ever seen the photo before.

The idea was to figure out whether the men were able to remember the women's initial level of sexual interest. The guys with the most accurate memories were also the guys who'd had the most serious romantic relationships. No surprises there: guys who'd had girlfriends understood the body language and emotional cues better.

Correspondingly, the young men who scored the worst also scored lowest on tests that measure attitudes towards rape. Generally, men who score badly on these tests are considered most at risk for behaving in a sexually coercive or aggressive way.

"We were trying to understand the role men's perception of women's cues play in the complex phenomenon of sexual aggression," says lead author, associate psychology professor Teresa Treat. "The study is one of a series that's trying to address the disappointing lack of effectiveness of rape prevention programs on college campuses."

Treat hopes to figure out a way to enhance men's perception and memories of emotional cues.

Other factors affected the men's memories as well. They more accurately recalled the emotional cues of women thought to be better-looking, those who were dressed provocatively and those who were giving them the come-on. So that suggests that less confident and less attractive women may be more in danger of having her intentions misunderstood than the classic bombshells.

While this is just one study, and the sample size was not large, it might offer some insight into what constitutes positive and negative sexual experiences in young people and how non-verbal communication brings those about.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/14/shockingly-mens-memory-is-affected-by-attractive-women/print/#ixzz12OIJVHMd
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 08:48 pm
@firefly,
I'm not sure I'm understanding the study just right. But, it seems perception of the woman's body language is sort of a trigger for men in that they believe the woman is receptive? Does that make sense? Am I on the right track here?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 09:44 pm
@Arella Mae,
Men who had the poorest memory of the women's body language and emotional cues also scored highest on tests indicating sexually coercive and sexually aggressive attitudes. That suggests that some men who date rape, or who are sexually coercive/aggressive in those situations, might be very bad at reading a woman's body language and cues--and, for instance, they might misinterpret her resistance, or disinterest, as being a come on. They might think they had consent when they really didn't because they weren't even remembering her signals.

I personally think men with sexually coercive or sexually aggressive attitudes might not consider the non verbal communications of women important--if they view women as "conquests", her feelings about it just wouldn't matter, so they don't even attend to such things very well. And, the study suggests, that seems to be particularly true when the women are unattractive--their non verbal signals are the least well remembered.

The author of the study seems to feel that if you can improve how such men perceive the woman's signals, so they more accurately remember them, you might help to decrease sexually coercive and aggressive attitudes/behaviors. So high school and college rape prevention education should focus more on teaching/helping men to pay more attention to women's non verbal cues and helping them to perceive and remember them more accurately, so they would know what indicated consent, or interest, and what didn't. And the most socially awkward men, or those who hadn't had girlfriends or been involved in romantic relationships, might need this help the most

I gather this was a very small study, but more research about the relationship between men's sexual attitudes and their perception of women's communications, might prove to be both interesting and useful.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2010 10:07 pm
This is an excellent, very lengthy 2008 summary of research on rape and violence.

http://www.calcasa.org/stat/CALCASA_Stat_2008.pdf
 

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