Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Sure, a troll can pay lip service to a woman's right to decline unwanted sex--but then they question her honesty when she does assert that the sex was unwanted, even if she has to sober up before she becomes aware of that fact. Notice that the issue of whether the male really had freely willing, fully conscious consent for such sexual contact in the first place is completely missing, as well as understanding of the reality that sex with an extremely intoxicated woman is legally considered rape. They defend the rapists. They deny that anyone, except the rapist, is to blame for the act of rape.

This rapist would likely agree with them. He blames everyone except himself too.

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Convicted Rapist Makes Scene During Rape Sentencing
By Randy Gyllenhaal
October 11, 2010

BURLINGTON, Vt. -- A man convicted a raping a 21-year-old homeless woman in 2004 was sentenced Monday. He'll spend the next 18-20 years in prison.

James Burke, 50, made a scene in the Burlington courtroom, arguing loudly with the prosecutor and judge.

"This is a man who, over the course of decades, has preyed on the weak," said Judge Matthew Katz. "The sentence is 18 to 20 years."

After learning of his sentence, Burke loudly yelled at the judge, using a racial epithet and calling his case a travesty of justice.

State's Attorney T.J. Donovan says he agrees with the sentencing, adding that Burke has a history of shifting blame away from himself.

"He, in his own mind, does nothing wrong," said Donovan. "It's always somebody else's fault."
http://www.wptz.com/news/25359188/detail.html

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@BillRM,

Oh second note if a woman does not care for the sexual partners she tend to pick when drinking then the simple solution that come to mind is for her to not drink or drink less in the future not locking up some poor male who got lucky due to her voluntary drinking that otherwise would not have done so.

Hell a few times in my life I myself had ended up in bed with a lady I might not have if I had not been drinking but it never enter my mind to think I had been sexual assaulted.

This is pure craziness and nothing less.

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@firefly,

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They deny that anyone, except the rapist, is to blame for the act of rape.

Up to your usual dishonesty I see......We don't place blame or dispute claim for rape, we dispute the definition of rape, we dispute whether a rape took place.

In the case were an actual rape takes place the rapist is to blame for the rape, and often the victim is to blame to putting herself in the position where a rape might take place. The both need to go to counselling so that they will in the future be in a position to do better, and if the rapist is known to have been predatory or is a repeat offender criminal charges might be in order.

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@firefly,

Throughout this entire thread those two trolls have done nothing but demean women, call us liars, etc. Their behavior towards BBB was more than reprehensible. They have had testimony from actual rape victims on this thread. Instead of trying to gain knowledge about rape and how it is viewed and what can be done to change things they prefer to deflect any information to their practically non-existent (compared to the rape numbers) cases of false accusations of rape.

No one in this entire thread has denied false rape allegations are wrong, can destroy reputations, etc. No one in this entire thread has said anyone should get away scott free from making false allegations. The trolls choose to overlook these facts also.

I am more inclined to believe we are dealing with two children here, whether they be childish in age or in their mind. Their intent is obvious. They want to do nothing more than cause strife, mock, demean, and humiliate others. However, the only thing they have accomplished as far as I am concerned is humilating themselves by revealing their lack of character, lack of compassion, and downright perverted state of mind.

You have been more than patient, firefly, but perhaps it is time for even you to let it go? They do not want to change. They like being the way they are. It makes them feel important if any of us are conversing with them or about them. They are nothing more than mere children who believe even negative attention is attention.

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@Arella Mae,

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Throughout this entire thread those two trolls have done nothing but demean women, call us liars, etc

Our claim is that it is the rape feminists who demean women, we insist that women are and should be treated as...equals.

Radical concept, I know.

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The trolls continue this crap of defending rape and defending rapists.

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We don't place blame or dispute claim for rape, we dispute the definition of rape, we dispute whether a rape took place.

In the case were an actual rape takes place the rapist is to blame for the rape, and often the victim is to blame to putting herself in the position where a rape might take place.

But you dispute actual rapes. You said it would take "a lot of convincing" before you would see the public, documented, gang rape of that 16 year old in Canada as a "real rape". You don't believe the victim, and you don't believe the police, who viewed photos and videos of the attack, as well as the victim's medical records, and have no question that a rape occurred. What does it take to "convince" you that a rape has occurred? Is pornography your guide to what constitutes legal sex?

The trolls choose to "dispute" the legal definitions of rape--definitions that are clearly spelled out in rape laws that are already on the books. And those definitions have not changed--rape has always been non consensual sexual intercourse. So, can one disregard laws one just doesn't agree with--aren't jails and prisons filled with criminals who have disregarded all sorts of laws? Just because the trolls dispute the legal definition of rape, can they claim that these laws, as they currently stand, aren't actually being violated? Does ignoring the law, or making up your own definitions of rape, make the real problem of rape go away? Do rapists have the choice of deciding on their own definitions of rape? Rolling Eyes

Should burglars decide on what they consider burglary? Tax cheats decide on their own definition of tax evasion?

This contradictory statement really says it all...

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We don't place blame or dispute claim for rape...often the victim is to blame to putting herself in the position where a rape might take place

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They don't understand--only the rapist commits the rape, only the rapist is responsible for the rape, only the rapist is to blame for the rape.

No matter what kind of situation a female puts herself in, or finds herself in, she is not responsible for her rape.

The trolls might want the current rape laws changed, but until that happens, we want those laws enforced.

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@firefly,

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You said it would take "a lot of convincing" before you would see the public, documented, gang rape of that 16 year old in Canada as a "real rape".

No, I made a general statement about the connection between raves/sex/rape...I said nothing about this case you speak of.

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The trolls choose to "dispute" the legal definitions of rape--definitions that are clearly spelled out in rape laws that are already on the books.

they are not appropriate, and should be changed.

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No matter what kind of situation a female puts herself in, or finds herself in, she is not responsible for her rape.

she is responsible for being an idiot. we should do something about that.

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The trolls might want the current rape laws changed, but until that happens, we want those laws enforced

Who is we, because from where I sit it appears that American increasingly question this type of invasive law making. I have every expectation that once the rape scare hoax is exposed that reforms will commence. I think that Americans are sick of both the expense and invasion upon individual rights that is the result of the increasing criminalization of our daily lives, and that we will demand reforms such as drastically cutting back on drug and sex criminalization, as the prison bill is too large for our pocket books and we want our freedom back. It is time for us to prioritize our efforts, for we are not the country that we once were, we no longer have the wherewithal for frivolity.

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@Arella Mae,

I'm not trying to change their minds, Arella Mae. That's rather impossible. They are too consumed by their own self interest to view the topic with any objectivity.
Both of them have their personal own ax to grind--one feels his ex-wife shafted him in his divorce, so all women have to be liars, the other one wants age of consent laws lowered, and child pornography legalized, to satisfy his own sexual appetites. So we know where these creeps are coming from.

They're not children. They're two bored unemployed men, with apparently vacant lives, who have too much free time on their hands. I see their presence in this thread, despite the insult and ridicule that has been heaped on them, as expressions of their desperate need for some sort of attention, even negative attention. Given the way they feel about women, it's no wonder their wives apparently ignore them. The only thing they have to amuse themselves is threads like this one, and pretending that someone acknowledges their "importance".

I merely use them, Arella Mae, when it enables me to make a point about something else. I couldn't care less about what they think.

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@firefly,

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the other one wants age of consent laws lowered, and child pornography legalized, to satisfy his own sexual appetites.

so you are calling me a liar then, because what I have said is that the great amount of sexual abuse and general abuse that has befallen the women in my life has lead me to conclude that we are not approaching this subject in a useful way. It have come to the conclusion that repression of the erotic is the main failure of our ways, which eventually finds its outlet in violence towards women or in the destruction of the soul of men, neither of these outcomes being good for us as a collective. I don't believe that the vengeance towards or criminalization of sexual conduct that we personally dont find appealing is productive, in fact, I find it to be counter productive.

In America today we dont have the problem of too much sexualization as is often claimed, but we have too little, for what passes for erotic is America is mostly adolescent grade titillation. When it comes to the erotic imagination and the conceptualization of erotic encounters we are in the main puritanical, unimaginative, uneducated which certainly does not help us deal when the suppression of the erotic seeps around the roadblocks and morphs into violence against women.

The rape feminist answer is the treat the symptoms by countering them with brutality. I am holding out for something better. I want to create a healthy sexual functioning, where true transgression is not practiced. I view the continued attempt to suppress transgression though law making as an barbaric absurdity, practiced by the uniformed and unimaginative.

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@firefly,

Then by all means, use them, because your posts are very informative, enlightening, and true no matter how hard they try to paint them as something else. So, you tell 'em sistah!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Throughout this entire thread those two trolls have done nothing but demean women, call us liars, etc
Our claim is that it is the rape feminists who demean women, we insist that women are and should be treated as...equals.

Radical concept, I know.

The only problem is you have women on this very thread telling you AS WOMEN what we would consider equal! Who are you to tell us women what we should accept as equal? You and your troll buddy have done nothing but ignore EVERYTHING ANY WOMAN ON THIS THREAD has said! So do me a favor, okay? DO NOT FIGHT FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ME! You haven't a clue!

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@Arella Mae,

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have done nothing but ignore EVERYTHING ANY WOMAN ON THIS THREAD has said

I have in this thread responded to several hundred statements from women. You seem to have a strange definition for the word "ignore".

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@firefly,

Have you ever read much about Ted Bundy? He, himself, claims that pornography had a lot to do with molding him into what he became.

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Bundy said he was largely fuelled by Pornography

Bundy says in his interview with Dr. Dobson, that he wanted to get across a message that as a young boy of twelve or thirteen he came across pornography of a harder, more graphic nature. He had been first introduced to pornography at a very young age by his grandfather and there are some that say he may have been abused as a child.

Bundy said in the interview that he was not blaming pornography but he wanted people to understand how that kind of literature contributed and helped mould and shape his kind of violent behavior.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/222008/serial_killer_ted_bundy_blamed_pornography.html?cat=72

It's pretty clear in case studies conducted that most rapists/serial rapists/killers are heavily involved in pornography. I guess the trolls want more Ted Bundys, Dennis Raders, Gary Ridgeways, Jerry Brudos, etc. running around? That would be likely to happen (IMO) if that troll ever gets his way and child pornography is legalized.

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@Arella Mae,

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It's pretty clear in case studies conducted that most rapists/serial rapists/killers are heavily involved in pornography

so what, you want to go an an anti porn crusade in the age of the internet? at a time when people are already speaking as if they are ready to overthrow the federal government in large part because of what is viewed as excessive interference in the lives of individuals by the state? At a time when porn is more accepted than it has been probably ever before in history?

Ya, good luck with that...

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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It's pretty clear in case studies conducted that most rapists/serial rapists/killers are heavily involved in pornography
so what, you want to go an an anti porn crusade in the age of the internet? at a time when people are already speaking as if they are ready to overthrow the federal government in large part because of what is views as excessive interference in the lives of individuals by the state? At a time when porn is more accepted than it has been probably ever before in history?

Ya, good luck with that...

CHILD PORNOGRAPHY IS ILLEGAL! IT'S IMMORAL! I didn't say a thing about going on any crusade. The only ones around here on a crusade is you and your troll buddy. Strange though, the things you fight the most? They are the things that are closest to your heart. Doesn't say much for you, now does it?

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@Arella Mae,

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It's pretty clear in case studies conducted that most rapists/serial rapists/killers are heavily involved in pornography. I guess the trolls want more Ted Bundys, Dennis Raders, Gary Ridgeways, Jerry Brudos, etc. running around? That would be likely to happen (IMO) if that troll ever gets his way and child pornography is legalized.

So somehow porn somehow created serial killers AM?

My my and the millions and millions of other men who have porn and are not serial killers what about them AM?

Where is the proof of cause and effect here as by your thinking as most serial killers had drank milk as a child then therefore milk turn men into serial killers.

Last note I saw that last interview of Ted and you could tell he was enjoying playing games with the anti-porn nut and little else.

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@firefly,

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But you dispute actual rapes. You said it would take "a lot of convincing" before you would see the public, documented, gang rape of that 16 year old in Canada as a "real rape".

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You know that this event is real rape by what means Firefly as I had posted more then one news story where a young lady had cried gang rape to cover up her own actions from families and friends.

The video came out and then it was a gang rape that smell just a little.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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It's pretty clear in case studies conducted that most rapists/serial rapists/killers are heavily involved in pornography. I guess the trolls want more Ted Bundys, Dennis Raders, Gary Ridgeways, Jerry Brudos, etc. running around? That would be likely to happen (IMO) if that troll ever gets his way and child pornography is legalized.

So somehow porn somehow created serial killers AM?

My my and the millions and millions of other men who have porn and are not serial killers what about them AM?

Where is the proof of cause and effect here as by your thinking as most serial killers had drank milk as a child then therefore milk turn men into serial killers.

Last note I saw that last interview of Ted and you could tell he was enjoying playing games with the anti-porn nut and little else.

Kindly point out where I said porn created serial killers. I said studies show them to be heavily involved in it. Why don't you really try reading other people's posts before you mouth off. If a serial killer admits that porn had some effect on him, don't you think maybe someone should listen? Oh wait, you don't listen to anything anyone but Hawkeye says, nevermind.

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@firefly,

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They're two bored unemployed men, with apparently vacant lives, who have too much free time on their hands

Unemployed that how you refer to someone who had been in the work force for forty years and with one firm for 33 years and is now retired?

True I would had prefer to work for a few more years so unemployed might apply but not in the imply contempt you had used the term in.

With an 89 years old mother to take care of I did not think that taking my firm offer up to move me across the country even those they offer one year of pay to do so was doable,

Would your firm offer you a year salary to move Firefly? LOL.

Second,I am doing my civil duty as a retired citizen in keeping you as honest as anyone can keep you honest.

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@BillRM,

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My my and the millions and millions of other men who have porn and are not serial killers what about them AM?

No matter what give give up because the puritans say we must we can rest in peace knowing that they will always come up with a new list of sins to attack. It was always thus, and always thus it will be.

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