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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 04:37 pm
@firefly,
A mass rape attempt? How sick is that? I wonder how many men were involved in this? I hope they throw the book at him for more than assault or rape. Spiking drinks with drugs can kill someone.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 04:58 pm
@Arella Mae,
One woman was in critical condition when she was admitted to the hospital--she's now listed in serious condition. The rape that was witnessed by the police officer was definitely non consensual--the woman was only partially conscious. That's why the arrest was made. They still have to determine whether other rapes and assaults took place. Apparently, it was only the females that became ill or passed out--all 12 that were taken to the hospital were female. That's why they believe that the females were being targeted for sexual assaults. If they determine the drinks were spiked, and they can figure out who did it, they will throw the book at that person. This was not some harmless prank.

But this sort of thing may go on all the time, except it may target only one female rather than an entire group, so it doesn't really come to anyone's attention. Perhaps this incident will be a wake-up call. It will certainly help to publicize the fact that sex with intoxicated women (whether the intoxication is from drugs or alcohol or a combination of both) is rape. And deliberately giving someone a drug to facilitate a sexual assault/rape is a serious charge in addition to the rape.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:04 pm
@firefly,
I sure pray it wakes people up. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Whether it was a mass rape attempt or maybe someone drugging all the women to just get at one of them. No matter what the intent there, it is clear rape was the target intent. It is getting so dangerous. Women should never leave a drink unattended no matter where they are. In this case, who knows if each drink was tainted or if it was from a punchbowl, etc.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:05 pm
Some people seriously need some education. When a person puts a question mark at the end of something it should not be taken as a claim being made. It is a question! DUH!
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:22 pm
@Arella Mae,
It's a shame that young college women can't go to a party, and have a good time, without worrying about being sexually assaulted.

And I think many of the women at the party were Freshman. And they do say that women are at highest risk of sexual assault during the first 6 weeks after they begin attending college, because they're in an unfamiliar environment.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:24 pm
Here is another article on what you posted, firefly:
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(CNN) -- Young women at a party attended by about 50 Central Washington University students and other young people were the primary target of spiked drinks, authorities said Saturday.

One of them was sexually assaulted, police said. The incident resulted in "multiple" reports of overdoses.

Some of the victims said they had consumed only one or two beverages before becoming ill, Cle Elum-Roslyn Police Chief Scott Ferguson said.

"Their level of intoxication just didn't seem to make sense," he told CNN Radio.

Central Washington University students who attended the party told CNN affiliate KOMO on Saturday that they believe a bottle of vodka at the party had been spiked with a date-rape drug known as "roofies."

They said several people at the party used vodka from the bottle to make mixed drinks. Those who brought their own alcohol, drank beer or didn't drink any alcohol were not affected, the students told KOMO.

Ferguson would not comment on the type of drug placed in the beverages.

Police said they do not know who spiked the drinks.

"Whatever occurred up there wasn't consensual," Ferguson told CNN.

Officers initially responded to an 11:09 p.m. call Friday about a female found unconscious in a vehicle in a grocery store parking lot, Ferguson said.

Friends of the victim told authorities to go to a residence in Roslyn, according to a statement from the Cle Elum Police Department.

An officer entered one room and arrested a man who was having sex with a semi-conscious young woman, said Ferguson, who would not elaborate on whether there have been or will be other arrests.

Police earlier Saturday said that more than one sexual assault occurred, but Ferguson said later that report was incorrect.

Several others at the party appeared to be suffering from overdoses at the residence.

None of the underage people who overdosed meant to get high or unconscious, said Ferguson, and none had more than one or two drinks, KOMO reported. Rather, he said, they appear to have been victims of a scheme to render them unconscious and unable to resist or defend themselves.

One overdose victim remained in the hospital Saturday in serious condition, police said. Twelve people, 11 of them female, initially were taken to hospitals, police said. Most were later released.

The party took place at a rental home about 30 minutes from the university campus in Ellensburg, police said. The owner of the home was not at the party, police said.

Police interviewed about 35 others who attended the party, which they said was organized by a Central Washington student.

The university said it is "shaken and saddened" about the incident.

"CWU strictly enforces state law and university policy on underage drinking and illegal drug use," it said, adding that freshmen are educated on drug and alcohol abuse and sexual assault.

"Despite our best efforts, however, students sometimes make bad choices," the university said.

Students identified as being involved with the party will have a conduct hearing that could result in an intensive education course, referral to counselors or suspension, it said.

The school will hold information sessions Saturday and Sunday at residence halls, the statement said.

Police and schools typically warn young people to be careful about ingesting beverages. "Roofies," a street name for Rohypnol, is a tasteless and odorless drug, Boston University says in a fact sheet on its website, and easily dissolves in beverages.

The fact sheet advises students to watch their drinks, avoid punch bowls and accept no opened beverages.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:25 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

It's a shame that young college women can't go to a party, and have a good time, without worrying about being sexually assaulted.

And I think many of the women at the party were Freshman. And they do say that women are at highest risk of sexual assault during the first 6 weeks after they begin attending college, because they're in an unfamiliar environment.
It is astonishing to me that people can be so cavalier at doing such a thing. Even if this was someone spiking drinks because that's what some kids do, it is still extremely dangerous.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:53 pm
@firefly,
This coming Wednesday on Investigation Discovery, the wife of Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, is going to be on TV in a story about him. One has to wonder how she could have felt she was living in marital bliss for fifteen years and yet her husband was out raping and killing women. It is hard for me to understand how a rapist/killer could be so prolific that his wife had no clue. On the other hand, sociopaths are very good at presenting the "face" they want others to see.

I think this show will be an excellent indication of just how far reaching sexually based crimes are. He is in jail for life. Her? I imagine she will be in her own kind of prison for a long time.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 10 Oct, 2010 08:08 am
Far reaching as to how many people are effected by the crime.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Oct, 2010 10:15 am
There have been a lot of questions raised about how Marshall University handled a recent report of a gang rape in a dorm. One question involves whether MU was keeping accurate public logs regarding crime reports on campus, particularly reports of sexual assaults--something that is required by federal law. Not accurately keeping such logs would underestimate the extent of the problem to students and to the general public. So, there is a question about whether MU tried to cover-up the report of the rape.

Now the police say they have charged a male former student with making a false report of that rape. However, although the case was closed for lack of evidence, they did not say how they knew the man deliberately filed a false report, or what his motive might have been. And some have questioned whether a false allegation charge was even indicated, given the extremely rare incidence of such completely false allegations on college campuses.
S. Daniel Carter, director of public policy for the national nonprofit organization Security on Campus Inc., said it appears that the charges against the former student are questionable. Security on Campus Inc. specializes in making sure universities fully disclose crime statistics, as required by federal law. He said that in the hundreds of cases he's seen, he's never dealt with a case where a person was charged with making up sexual assault allegations.
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"I've been working with the victims of sexual assault for 18 years," he said. "I don't believe we've had a false report charge against any of the clients we've had."

The entire case seems to raise more questions than it answers. The U.S. Department of Education is now going to look into the entire matter.

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October 9, 2010
Ex-MU student charged with lying about gang rape
By Zac Taylor
The Charleston Gazette


HUNTINGTON, W.Va. -- Marshall University police say they have charged a former student with lying to authorities about two sexual assaults he said happened in a freshman dormitory last month.

Late Friday, campus police issued a news release announcing the charges and saying the rape investigation has been closed.

"In the report, the student accused three males of a sexual assault of a female and male in a freshman residence hall on the Huntington campus," Marshall Police Chief James Terry wrote in the release.

"Based upon the extensive interviews and lack of physical evidence, we have concluded there is insufficient evidence to pursue any charges relating to the alleged sexual assault or to substantiate that such an assault even occurred," he said.

Terry did not name the former student, who is charged with filing a false report of an emergency and obstructing police.

The Gazette published a story Thursday about the alleged sexual assault, which was recorded in a Marshall Police crime log.

The log actually states that four males carried out sexual assaults against a male and a female.

On Friday, the Marshall student newspaper, the Parthenon, reported that Marshall police had been supplying the newspaper with a separate crime log referred to as a "police blotter." The blotter did not include the two sexual assaults that the Gazette discovered in the crime log.

For nearly a month, a Marshall spokesman said campus police were investigating the alleged rape incident. The spokesman repeatedly declined to release more information.

Terry did not return repeated calls from the Gazette during that time.

On Saturday evening, Marshall spokesman Dave Wellman released the police report on the alleged rape, with the names of those involved redacted. The report states that police officers took both alleged victims to Cabell Huntington Hospital for treatment.


Two weeks ago, the Gazette filed a Freedom of Information Act request with university officials for the same police report. A Marshall attorney denied the request on Oct. 4, saying that releasing the police report would hinder the investigation.

S. Daniel Carter, director of public policy for the national nonprofit organization Security on Campus Inc., said it appears that the charges against the former student are questionable.

"The [news release] does not explain why the charges are filed," he said. "The only explanation given is that the investigation failed to substantiate that a [rape] occurred."

Security on Campus Inc. specializes in making sure universities fully disclose crime statistics, as required by federal law.

Carter pointed out that the news release also doesn't say whether police have evidence that the former student lied.

He said that in the hundreds of cases he's seen, he's never dealt with a case where a person was charged with making up sexual assault allegations.

"I've been working with the victims of sexual assault for 18 years," he said. "I don't believe we've had a false report charge against any of the clients we've had."

"All of the information we've seen at this point definitely raises more questions than it answers," he added.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Education said Thursday that the department will look into the way Marshall has handled the alleged incident.

"A Department of Education investigation is definitely a good starting point," Carter said. "There are questions that I think the community deserves an explanation to."
http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/201010090441
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