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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 08:37 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Notice the troll's bluster about his "rights" to view child pornography being infringed on--he's willing to overthrow the government to protect those rights. The hell with the rights of the children in those images, and photos, and videos. And he doesn't give a damn about the rights of females not to have their bodies violated. According to him, vulnerable females should be up for grabs--12 year olds should be fair prey for adult males rather than be considered "jail bait", drunk women should be fair prey for their dates (or any man who happens to see them in that condition), because a man's entitled to sex whenever and wherever he can get it or just take it.

He's teaching everyone a lot about the exploitive attitudes of rapists.

No wonder he rants about the rape laws. They cramp his style.

That's the purpose of those rape laws--to deter rape.
I am all for people having rights but the kinds of rights he wants? That's sick, abusive, and worse than perverted. I cannot help but wonder how he would feel about someone staring at his naked young child for sexual pleasure? My guess is, he would want to join in with them.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 08:43 am
@firefly,
And our resident troll wants to make it okay to view child pornography even after reading about the Misty Series? I do have to wonder how someone can have no shame at all as our thread trolls. Personally, I wouldn't be running around spouting things like I should be able to have sex with an underrage girl if I want! Says soooooooooo much about their character. I do feel sorry for anyone that thinks in such a debase manner though.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 10:45 am
@hawkeye10,
I have never been robbed, but there is a law in place to deal with somebody if they choose to do so.

Your pathetic attempts at rationalizing your sick fantasies are so juvenile.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 10:53 am
@Arella Mae,
Neither of the trolls seems to have any "character" in the positive sense of the term. These are the men who tarnish the image of their gender, who cause men to be regarded with suspicion as potential predators, because of their attitudes about the acceptability of sexually exploiting females--including female children. Sexual exploitation of females is what rape is all about. People like that do have reason to fear the rape laws if they entertain the idea of violating them. And, the way they scoff at those laws, in this thread, is an attempt to encourage other men to do the same. Disregard of those laws leads to more rapes.

Thank goodness men like the trolls are an extreme minority. And they are as offensive to other men as they are to women. They are the vile male equivalent of those terrible women who deliberately and maliciously lie and say that they were raped when no rape happened. Neither are people of character. These are people whose own self interest trumps any sense of morality. In this thread, they can only abuse others verbally, and we've seen plenty of that, one can only imagine what else they might be doing in the real world to discharge their hostility toward women.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 12:04 pm
@Intrepid,
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I have never been robbed, but there is a law in place to deal with somebody if they choose to do so.


And I have never been raped, but I want laws in place to try to deter that from happening--to me or to anyone else--and laws that will punish rape if it occurs.

I have been robbed, more than once, and I was very glad that the person was apprehended and punished in one of those instances.

And, you know, when investigating those robberies/burglaries, the police asked if I had given consent for my property to be taken. And they did not question whether or not I was telling the truth about it. Plenty of people have been known to lie--they claim things were stolen so they can defraud their insurance company. But the police simply believed me--as they should have--that my property was taken without my consent, and investigated the crime committed against me. And they apprehended someone and the D.A. obtained a conviction. Whether or not I had been drinking when my property was taken didn't matter--it didn't make the person who took my property any less a thief.
Did the thief who took my property like the laws that led to his conviction? I doubt it. Is that a reason to get rid of such laws? No. If he claimed I left my doors unlocked, did that mean I was inviting him in and asking him to take my things--that I gave consent? No. Did anything I did excuse his behavior--was I to blame for my own robbery/burglary? Did anything I did make him rob me--was I "asking" to be robbed? No.

And that is how rape reports should be handled. The person making the report should be believed and the crime should be properly investigated. And it should be understood that the victim of a rape is never to be blamed for her own rape, and nothing excuses the behavior of the rapist. There is no reason that rape should not be handled in the way every other type of crime is handled.

We know those things, Intrepid.

People, like the trolls are bottom feeders, looking for ways to exploit others for their own benefit. They don't trust others because they know how untrustworthy they are, and they think everyone else is just like them.

Thank goodness we're not like them. Thank goodness most people are not like them.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 12:43 pm
This horrific crime is currently in the news. I don't believe in the death penalty, but, if ever a case fit the bill for it, it is this one. This may have started out as a burglary, but the brutality that ensued is unbelievable. That rapes occurred in this context was the last act of violence these men could commit against these female victims before killing them--it was the final degrading insult, and one of the rape victims was only 11 years old. The wife was strangled after her rape. The daughters were still alive, and tied to their beds, when they were doused with gasoline and the house was set on fire. Rape is not about sex--it is about dominating, about overwhelming, about conquering--and this couldn't be a clearer example of that, and it was carried to the extreme of annihilating these females.

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Connecticut killer and rapist Hayes found guilty on nearly all charges, faces death penalty
5 October 2010

NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT (BNO NEWS) – Steven Hayes, the rapist and killer who participated in the brutal murder of a woman and her two daughters, was found guilty on 16 out of 17 charges on Tuesday, prosecutors said. He may now face the death penalty.

Hayes, 47, was involved in the brutal murder of a woman and her two daughters. Hayes along with suspect Joshua Komisarjevsky broke in 2007 into a home in Cheshire where the pair beat the husband almost to death and tied him up.

Hayes then forced the wife, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, to withdraw $15,000 in cash from her bank. After returning home, he raped her before killing her. Meanwhile, Komisarjevsky sexually assaulted eleven-year-old Michaela.

After the assaults, the criminals poured gasoline on Michaela and her 17-year-old sister Hayley. The children were tied to the bed while the two co-conspirators set them on fire. The father, Petit, was the lone survivor after recovering from his head wounds.

On October 18, the jurors will determine if Hayes will be sentenced to the death penalty. Hayes accused Komisarjevsky of escalating the violence and provoking the sexual assaults. However, prosecutors rejected the argument and said the two men were equally responsible for the crimes.

Hayes was convicted of 16 counts, including six capital felony charges, three murder counts and two charges of sexually assaulting Hawke-Petit. Prosecutors said that they want nothing less than the death penalty as the crime was cruel and depraved.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 01:34 pm
This case illustrates several important things that D.A.'s in Manhattan do in order to obtain rape convictions. At the time of the attempted rape, in 2004, there was no routine collection of DNA from those with misdemeanor or felony convictions. So, although DNA was collected from the attempted rape in 2004, it matched no DNA in the database, even though the man had a prior criminal record for non sexual crimes. In order to prevent the statute of limitations from running out on the attempted rape charge, the D.A. got a "John Doe" indictment against that DNA in 2007. By the time this man was rearrested in 2009, for a robbery and assault, DNA samples were being taken from those convicted of such crimes. With that DNA sample, the police were able to get an immediate match to the DNA from the 2004 sexual assault.

DNA samples should be taken from all those convicted of any crime--including misdemeanors. Law enforcement needs to have as large a DNA base as possible. That will help to solve many rapes--even date rapes, where the victim might not know the real name, or identity of the rapist, if it is somebody she just met at a party or bar--and it is very possible that person has been convicted of some other crime in the past--or has raped other women, without being apprehended.

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DNA fingers 'sex fiend'
By JAMIE SCHRAM and DAVID K. L I

Last Updated: 10:52 AM, October 6, 2010

Posted: 3:49 AM, October 6, 2010

A career criminal -- already doing time for beating an elderly Parkinson's victim in Harlem -- has been linked by DNA to a brutal attempted rape of a child at the same address five years earlier, officials said.

Curtis Tucker, 46, pleaded not guilty yesterday to the fiendish 2004 assault, which left a 14-year-old girl with permanent facial scars.

Tucker lost his eyeglasses during the attack on March 1, 2004, and officials lifted DNA samples from the specs and from a drop of blood on a student MetroCard the assailant stole from the girl and dropped as he fled.

In 2007, the Manhattan DA won an indictment against the then-unknown man who left the DNA -- a technique prosecutors use to avoid exceeding the statute of limitations on a crime.

Tucker grabbed the youngster in an elevator, choked her, took all the money she had on her -- a single $1 bill -- and the MetroCard, authorities said.

He tried to rape her, but she fiercely fought back, according to prosecutors.

The beating he inflicted left her with extreme swelling to her face, black eyes, a broken nose and a permanently disfigured lip, authorities said.

The defendant slipped up last year and beat a 74-year-old sickly man during a push-in robbery at the same Broadway building where the youngster was attacked.

After Tucker's felony conviction in that case, his DNA was collected and it matched the 2004 sample.

"The DNA database solved this case in three days," said Assistant DA Melissa Mourges.
http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/local/manhattan/dna_fingers_sex_fiend_5Ad3vyeHVF6n6RV6ujQ6UJ
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 01:46 pm
@firefly,
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DNA samples should be taken from all those convicted of any crime--including misdemeanors. Law enforcement needs to have as large a DNA base as possible. That will help to solve many rapes--even date rapes, where the victim might not know the real name, or identity of the rapist, if it is somebody she just met at a party or bar--and it is very possible that person has been convicted of some other crime in the past--or has raped other women, without being apprehended.
Why stop there? Why should we think that you want to stop there? Why not collect DNA from everyone who wants a drivers license? We could pass a fed law that mandates for every every state that if they want federal highway money they must take DNA from everyone. You have already said that the bigger that database the better, you have never shown any concern for privacy or due process when it gets in the way of empowering female victimhood, so you are not going to wimp out now are you?

Edit: Micro chips have gotten pretty cheap, is it time to implant one in every citizen, so that we can computer monitor everyone's movements? Crime would be much easier to solve, so that means that the government has the right to do it.....right?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2010 02:14 pm
@BillRM,
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Hate to tell you this Hawkeye but if you carry a cell phone around with you that is link to your name you are now carrying a beacon that law enforcement can and have track citizens around with in real time without needing a court order. Oh side note no phone GPS chip needed even if such a chip will give finer details then one without one
debit card and toll easy pass cards are used the same way, but the way I understand it a judge needs to sign the order looking into a particular person, which is some bit of protection for the rights of individuals. What Firefly is wanting is to sift through a data base of all men to find who had sex with a woman, who was at any scene of any crime, which is completely different.

They are working on facial recognition software which will be able to sink with the increasing number of video feeds to track people as well. We see about that, the Brits have cameras everywhere, and the word I hear is that the citizens have changed their minds, they originally thought that they would keep them more safe and had nothing to fear unless they are a bad guy, but experience with them has changed their minds. Once the information is created one never knows who will get access to it, and how they will use it. In the beginning the Brits were too optimistic and trusting, time tends to cure that.
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