Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Love it that the freedom of men depend on how women see or not see a freely enter into sexual relationshis if alcohol is involved .

We have been over this ground Bill, it is sexual assault if the woman IMMAGINES that she will face negative consequences if she says no. There is no longer any need for a threat to be offered. What the man thinks or does no longer matters, all that counts is what is going on in the mind of a woman.

As Firefly indicates, if a woman thinks that she was raped who are we to dispute it...String up the man and be done with it.

Long live Feminism!

Hawkeye the courts are already going away from a reasonable person standard in sexual matters to a so call reasonable woman standard in sexual cases.

God help us if the model of a reasonable woman is anywhere near Firefly.

In fact is does look like the reasonable woman standard is how the fringe of feminists would wish men to act!

The more I research this trend the worst it is looking not only for men but the loving and peaceful relationships between men and women.

See below.


http://law.jrank.org/pages/9668/Reasonable-Woman.html

In the area of rape, Forell and Matthews review the long-standing stereotypes that female rape victims must combat: "women want to be seduced and to have their verbal and physical resistance overcome; women's behavior and clothing indicate willingness to engage in sexual intercourse; and women don't tell the truth about sex" (pp. 222-23). In this male-defined world in which "no" does not mean "no," a woman's consent to sexual intercourse serves as a defense to a charge of rape. The authors acknowledge a debt to Susan Estrich's landmark work on rape law's validation of the male perspective, particularly in the field of acquaintance rape.(16) Catharine MacKinnon, discussing the prevalence of unprosecuted rapes and acquittals in cases in which rape is charged, has taken this criticism a step further, explaining that under this legal regime rape is effectively allowed.(17) Forell and Matthews urge the reasonable woman standard as the remedy, holding men "to the standard of how women would like men to behave."(18)

Just out of curiosity, what do you disagree on in the “most” of what we are saying?

You are perhaps disagreeing that the rape statistic for college campuses of one in four women being rape during their college careers is a completely blown up beyond all reason number perhaps?

You disagree that of reported rapes on and off campuses involving non-strangers rape that a large fraction is knowingly false? The ratio is in the range of 25 percents to a high of fifty percents being false.

Let hear what the “most” you are disagreeing with consist of.

Having drunk sex is a crime for only one gender, and you dont think that is double standard? We make the law, we can make the law fair, claiming that this is not a double standard because the law says it is the law is yet more of your intellectual dishonesty. We make the law, we can certainly make a law that contains a double standard, and we clearly have done so. You are using such absurd logic that I for one can believe that you actually believe the argument you give holds water. I think you are trying to slip one by, making the assumption that MM is too dumb to notice.

In most state a finger or a foreign object that penetrated the anus or vagina is the same as a penis penetrating and is consider rape.

The last I look also most women have fingers and can take hold of foreign objects and most men have anus so by any legal meaning a woman can rape a man or another woman.

Second sexual assaults/rape laws do not limit themselves to penetration by a penis or any other object for that matter.

Having or forcing yourself on a man or a woman with such behaviors as oral sex is cover nicely under the sexual assault laws of all states and is punish at the same level and under the same laws as penetration by a penis or object.

You are playing words games and being dishonest once more for all the above reasons.

If also happen to had save more then one man from a false rape charge. In the case below it happen to have save five men.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5319636-504083.html

MINEOLA, N.Y. (CBS/AP) She was a Hofstra University freshman who had claimed she was raped by five men in a dormitory bathroom, but she has now changed her story after prosecutors confronted her with the revelation that a video of the encounter may have been recorded, a prosecutor said Thursday.

The recantation on Wednesday night led to the immediate release of four men, including one student at the Long Island college, who had been arrested on rape and other charges. Police had been seeking to arrest a fifth man when the charges were dropped.

The sex did occur in a bathroom but was consensual, a prosecutor said. Authorities could decide within weeks whether to charge the 18-year-old woman for making up the story.

Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said Thursday that the woman, whom she would not identify, was interviewed Wednesday night by two senior prosecutors as a routine part of a follow-up investigation.

The woman first told police she was lured to the dormitory and raped early Sunday after her cell phone was stolen by a man she had met at a dance party, Rice said. She said she was bound with rope while the five men took turns sexually assaulting her in a men's bathroom stall.


(Hofstra Chronicle, Sean Gates)Photo: Nassau County Police officers question Hofstra University student Rondell Bedward, seated, in a dormitory hallway, at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

Almost immediately, Rice said, the woman's story began to unravel with "significant inconsistencies," but she declined to elaborate. "The turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may exist a video of some or all of the incident," Rice said.

"Her actions and demeanor depict a very troubled young woman in need of much help," the prosecutor said.

An attorney for one of the accused men, 20-year-old Kevin Taveras, said he was shown a copy of the cell phone video and said it confirmed reports that the woman was not attacked.

"It looks more like a porn movie," Victor Daly-Rivera said. "It showed just the opposite of what the allegations were. There was no tying up, there was no bruising, there was no screaming."

The four young men who were falsly accused say the experience was traumatizing.

"I was really scared. I couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. It was like a big nightmare, and I thought I was going to do time for something I didn't do," 20-year-old Kevin Taveras said on Headline News network's "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell" on Friday, Sept. 18.

The woman who filed the accusation has been suspended from school until a disciplinary hearing is held, a Hofstra spokeswoman said. Melissa Connolly also said a suspension against Rondell Bedward, the only Hofstra student among the five men implicated, had been lifted.

Two of the men who were released said outside the Nassau County jail on Wednesday night that said they had feared the possibility of serving 25 years to life for a felony rape conviction.

"It's crazy; the system is supposed to prevent these things from happening," Taveras said outside the jail late Wednesday.

"It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent," he said. "Inside I thought I was going to do a bit for something I didn't do."

Bedward, 21, declined to comment after he was released.

On campus, students shook their heads at the latest twist in the case.

"It's definitely a shock," said Megan Michler, a junior from Penargyl, Pa. "I guess she completely lied about it and it's not fair to the guys that were involved. Everyone was shaken up by the whole thing, and now we were shaken up for nothing."

Hofstra, a private university of 12,600 students, played host to the final presidential debate of the 2008 election.

The rape report "just really gave the university a bad name," said Dani Frank, a print journalism major from Easton, Conn. "I really wish there hadn't been conclusions jumped to because it put the boys in a negative light, it put Hofstra in a negative light, and people will give her a lot less credibility in the future."

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Playing games once more Firefly you have no shame at all.

In the case in your posting the woman was unconscious and under all versions of rape laws that had ever exist that would be rape for that reason alone.

The old test is that a woman need to be aware of her surrounding and no one had held on this thread that an unconscious woman can be attack.

From my own younger and dumber days you can be very drunk and still be very aware of your surrounding and knew the meaning of having sex.

I could justify some standard like staggering, slurring words, confused drunken women should not have sex, and men should not try to have sex with them. Though the penalty certainly should not be criminal unless it can be shown that the men actively tried to get her into that condition.

I would be hard pressed to count the number of times however that I have had sex with staggering, slurring words, confused drunk women though.....my wife like to have a good time when we are out. This is not a standard that I would ever be willing to follow in marriage.

I guess I rape my wife on our wedding night as we both was drinking a great deal and as happy as could be.

Las Vegas is a fun place to have a wedding and if you have both families spread out all over the country it is a great meeting place for a wedding that everyone look forward to going to.

OMG, I don't even want to count all the things I did in Vegas in June that Firefly would want to make criminal. Some of them already are....