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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 06:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
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We are arguing against the justification for the rape scare based upon facts, evidence, and argument. Your continued sliming of the individuals making an argument that you don't want to deal with makes YOU the person taking the gutter route, not us


"Rape scare"? Are you now denying the fact that women are being raped?

Three of the women posting in this thread have reported being raped. That you and BillRM ignore their reports, and persist in posting misogynistic crap, as well as denying and excusing rape, certainly warrants your both being regarded as slime. Two obviously inadequate and insecure males, attacking both the fact of rape, as well as the rape victims posting in this thread, should not expect that their comments will be regarded with anything but the disdain they deserve.

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claims of rape are now used as a club against men


You have it backward--the act of rape is used as a club against women.

We have no sympathy for men like you who, who want rape laws relaxed so you can rape even more women with impunity--the underage in particular, or women who are intoxicated or drugged. You forget, Hawkeye, you have told us that "conquest" is the best part of sex for you. You have told us that women enjoy being "ravished" (i.e. raped). You have no regard for the concept of consent. In fact, the freely and willingly consenting female deprives you of your "conquest"--rape satisfies your needs to dominate. Your "masculinity" is so shaky you need to dominate a woman to prove to yourself you have any balls at all. A self confident, empowered, passionate woman, interested in a complete relationship, and not just being "banged", isn't going to give a creep like you the time of day.

Only a man who is a loser worries about women gaining power--including the power to protect their bodies from unwanted, non consensual sexual assaults. Sorry buddy, those rape laws ain't gonna change to make deviant misfits like you happy.

Go watch your rape porn, and that kiddy porn you defend, before those mean old feminists take even that away from you.



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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:13 pm
@BillRM,
You are too stupid to even understand the material you post.

That was not a case of false allegation.

The chief medical witness testified that the child's hymen had been broken and that there was evidence of penetration. The mother probably lodged the rape report after that doctor examined her child.

The injustice in the case was due to prosecutorial misconduct. That's why the verdict was overturned after 3 years. That's why the man won his lawsuit. No one accused the mother, or the child, of making a false report.

We can all understand why your ex-wife hated your guts. Your present wife probably feels the same way, except she's smart enough to pack a gun.

Men rape their children. One person posting in this thread has told you she was the victim of such a rape. We will not have this issue trivialized.



firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:45 pm
@firefly,
I hope this man gets life in prison. The child's mother was sentenced to 20 years for failing to protect her daughter. This was a horrible crime--a horrible rape.

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Houston man faces 25 years to life in rape of 4-year-old
By BRIAN ROGERS
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Sept. 21, 2010

A Houston man today faces the possibility of spending 25 years to life in prison with no chance at parole after being convicted of raping his girlfriend's 4-year-old daughter shortly before her June 2009 death.

Jurors convicted Lucas Coe, 28, of super aggravated sexual assault of a child in visiting state District Judge Doug Shaver's court Tuesday after deliberating Coe's fate for 3½ hours. Because of the heightened charge, Coe will serve every day of whatever sentence the jury hands down.

The case was thrust into the headlines in the weeks following 4-year-old Emma Thompson's death on June 27, 2009, when the extent of her injuries and the fact that she had genital herpes were revealed by investigators. The child arrived at the hospital with more than 70 bruises, a busted lip and a fractured skull.

After her death, it was discovered that Texas Children's Protective Services had been told the girl had genital herpes two weeks before she died. The agency had investigated the case, but did not remove the child from the home, saying there was no evidence she was in physical danger. It later was revealed that CPS previously had investigated Coe three times in connection with another girlfriend's child.

"We'll always have a hole in our heart for Emma," said Laurie Thompson, the child's grandmother. "But, hopefully, no other children will have to suffer what Emma suffered and no other family will have to go through what we went through."

During the week-long trial, jurors heard testimony from several doctors about the girl's injuries and saw graphic photos of the child's autopsy, including several pictures of the vaginal tear with dried blood.

Coe's lawyers had argued that the girl was injured in a straddle fall, which are usually minor. Common straddle injuries include hitting the crossbar on a bicycle or falling awkwardly on a step, doctors said.

Rick DeToto pointed to testimony that Emma Thompson's vaginal area had abrasions consistent with a fall.

Prosecutors argued that Coe, a former handyman, spent weeks babysitting his girlfriend's children, trying to gain Emma's trust, then raped the pre-schooler as other children swam in a backyard pool.

In a whisper to jurors, Assistant Harris County District Attorney Colleen Barnett said Coe worked to lure the child, then cleaned up the crime scene.

"That little girl probably bled everywhere," Barnett said softly.

Coe stood silently as the verdict was read. After hearing the decision, he sat and shook his head at his family.

In the weeks before the girl's death, Coe was dating her mother, Abigail Young, a former registered nurse.

Prosecutors said Tuesday that Young lied to investigators about Coe living with her and babysitting the girl. Young was sentenced in July to 20 years in prison for failing to protect her child.

In rare cases, doctors told investigators, herpes could have been transmitted by casual contact with Coe or Young, both of whom have the disease.

The girl's 12-year-old sister testified that she saw the girl fall and hit her head.

Prosecutors said Emma died from abdominal trauma, including a severed pancreas, at Memorial Hermann The Woodlands Hospital.

"She was dying a slow, painful death due to blunt force trauma to her abdomen," Barnett said.

Coe was not charged in Emma's death. Barnett told jurors Coe was prosecuted for the super aggravated charge rather than murder because it carries a stricter punishment.

Coe's mother cried as family members hugged her. A spokeswoman for the family said they were devastated by the verdict.

Afterward, Coe's attorney, Rick DeToto, said his client was upset, frustrated and continues to say he is innocent.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7211816.html

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:49 pm
@firefly,
They were devastated by the verdict? They should have been dancing in the hallways. What is wrong with people????????? Can you imagine the terror and the pain that four year old child went through? This is the sickest thing I have heard yet. Lord have mercy!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:56 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Lord have mercy!
I worry about your mental health...are you sure that you should be in this thread??
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:59 pm
@BillRM,
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Come to think of it given how you wish to define rape all men are gong to be guilty of that crime
Yep, and almost all women are victims at the hands of men. Only the lesbians lead proper wholesome lives.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Lord have mercy!
I worry about your mental health...are you sure that you should be in this thread??
I will tell you like I told Bill. You are a flawed human being like the rest of us and because of that I can't hate you. I do pity you though. You have no sympathy for that four year old little girl that died because she was raped. You do need the Lord's mercy. Oh, and I won't be posting to you again. You can join Bill.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:11 pm
@Arella Mae,
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do pity you though. You have no sympathy for that four year old little girl that died because she was raped.


I am going to have to read all of Hawkeye postings more carefully to see where he indicate he had no sympathy for a four year old girl who had died as a result of a rape.

Or is it just because he does not stamp all the nonsense that you and your leader are posting here that you thereby are assuming he does not care about four years old dying?

If so you do need mental help by experts.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:14 pm
@firefly,
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The chief medical witness testified that the child's hymen had been broken and that there was evidence of penetration. The mother probably lodged the rape report after that doctor examined her child.


Or broken it herself to win custody at all cost........at least at any cost to the father.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:14 pm
@firefly,
You know, I kind of understood why my mom didn't believe me at first when I told her my dad had come into my room and molested me. She had never worked in her life and had seven kids so I could kind of understand it. At least she finally did believe me after awhile.

But how, someone tell me how, a mother can deny her four year old being raped like that? She was a nurse!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:15 pm
@firefly,
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The chief medical witness testified that the child's hymen had been broken and that there was evidence of penetration. The mother probably lodged the rape report after that doctor examined her child.


Or the mother broken it herself to win custody at all cost........at least at any cost to the father.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:17 pm
This Rape Task Force really seems to have done an excellent job investigating this rape. The victim--a college student. Another of those cases Hawkeye and BillRM attempt to minimize.

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Officer Describes Task Force Investigation Into UConn Rape
By DAVID OWENS,
September 22, 2010

A University of Connecticut police sergeant described for jurors Tuesday the work of a police task force that investigated the rape of a student on Sept. 6, 2008.

Sgt. Dan Gugliotti said police conducted hundreds of interviews after tracking people through cellphone records, dormitory entry logs and even food purchases made with student I.D. cards at the Student Union.

Robert O. Morgan, 25,a former FedEx driver from Vernon, is on trial in Superior Court in Rockville, charged with the September 2008 rape as well as an attempted rape on June 2, 2009.

The woman raped in September told police she thought she heard her attacker speaking to someone on a cellphone as he ran off after the assault. That prompted police to obtain information about every call made through a cell tower near campus during the time the assault occurred, Gugliotti testified.

After the second attack, in a field off Horsebarn Hill Road in June 2009 during which the victim fought off her attacker, Morgan was one of several people who resembled the description of the attacker and who were stopped by police immediately after the attack. A T-shirt found in the field by a state police dog was found to have Morgan's DNA on it, and authorities believe he used it to conceal his face from the woman.

When confronted with DNA evidence on the shirt, Morgan "refused to acknowledge it was his shirt," Gugliotti testified. "I asked him how it got there. He could provide no explanation."

The investigation also turned up a gap in Morgan's FedEx delivery log during the time of the June attack. He made a delivery at 1:38 p.m. on June 2, but is unaccounted for until a state trooper stopped him at 2:47 p.m. The attack occurred about 2:30 p.m.

Defense attorney Jeffrey Cedarfield of Bristol worked to punch holes in the state's theory of the crime, questioning assumptions that police and prosecutors made about how Morgan could have seen the June victim, then parked his FedEx truck, snuck up on her and escaped after the attack.

During the time he was not making deliveries, Morgan told police he'd parked his FedEx truck on Old Turnpike Road near a bridge over the Fenton River, and spent about 20 minutes sweeping out his truck, Gugliotti testified.
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-uconn-rape-trial-0922-20100922,0,2658160.story
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:17 pm
@Arella Mae,
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But how, someone tell me how, a mother can deny her four year old being raped like that? She was a nurse!
Willpower. My wife's mother walked in ON THE ACT and still always maintained that there was no abuse in her house. She believed this because she needed to believe it, the truth was not acceptable.
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:19 pm
@firefly,
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The victim--a college student. Another of those cases Hawkeye and BillRM attempt to minimize.


What does stranger rape have to do with date rape?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:20 pm
@firefly,
Using his job as part of his MO. Sickening!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:22 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Using his job as part of his MO. Sickening!


Why is that more sicking then any other method of picking out and attacking a victim?
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 08:29 pm
@Arella Mae,
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But how, someone tell me how, a mother can deny her four year old being raped like that? She was a nurse!


I think you are confusing the rapist's mother with the child's mother. The rapist's mother insisted her son was innocent.

The child's mother, the nurse, was sentenced to 20 years in jail for failing to protect her child from her boyfriend (the rapist).

The rapist in this case had also physically assaulted a former girlfriend's 12 year old son, and injured that boy so badly the child was hospitalized for 11 days.

This case was known to CPS, but they missed the boat and did not realize the danger the child was in.

This man does deserve to be put away for life. He faces up to 99 years, with no parole. He will probably be sentenced this week. I really doubt he will get any mercy in his sentence.
 

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