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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 02:54 pm
@BillRM,
The topic of "false allegations" is closed. You have lied about virtually every claim you have made on the issue, which, in any regard, has been fully explored in this thread. There is nothing more to be said on the matter. That you harp on it, incessantly, is indicative of your personal dislike and distrust of women, and not much else.

After you have been held down and raped by one or more men, come back to this thread and tell us that experience was not as bad as a false rape accusation or a few days in a county jail.

Until then, you have served my purpose of exposing your lies, as well as giving me the opportunity to post the truth about those alleged "false accusations" you are always babbling about. You failed to back up a single claim about any widespread injustice being done to men. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of rapists go free, often repeating their crimes.

Right now, having exposed yourself as nothing more than a lying, vulgar little toad, you will go back to being ignored...



firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 03:03 pm
@Arella Mae,
He couldn't post a single case to back up his lies. Can you imagine how perverse someone has to be to use a thread about rape to try to trash and demean women? And he can't claim that isn't his purpose, because look at the things he says to the women posting in this thread.

At least he helps everyone reading this thread to understand the misogynist mentality that contributes to creating a cultural climate conducive to rape. Unfortunately, for him, he's too dumb to even realize he serves that purpose. The more he posts, the more he makes people aware of why this topic is needed, and the sorts of sexist attitudes rape victims must contend with. He's a great example of the problem.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 03:11 pm
@firefly,
He lost any compassion I had for him when he disrespected BBB so badly. That spoke more to me than a million words he could type. She was a brave woman to share that with us. For him to disrespect her like that and to continually try to say rape is no big deal is more than sickening. I find it pretty morally corrupt. We all tried to get him and Hawkeye see the reality of it. Some people are blind and will stay that way. Right now, all I can say is he is a flawed human being like all of us and I pray that God opens his eyes to what is going on.

Maybe you can help me find some more on that Willard Jr. High School rape? I am very curious as to how that turned out but I am not a goldstar searcher.

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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 03:28 pm
@Arella Mae,
One detail that blew my mind was that the victim was raped again less than a month later
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On October 25, a 12-year old girl, student of Willard Middle School was sexually assaulted by 9 boys for over five hours. After the sexual assault the girl was transferred to another school, Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School.

On November 8, the same girl was lured to a secluded area of campus and raped by a 13 year old boy. The next day the boy was arrested on charges of rape and he was then released to his parents. The girl has since been taken out of school.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:13 pm
It's awesome when you put the idiot on ignore. No more unintelligible posts. No more murdered, mangled english. No more stupidity. I refuse to give idiots a stage and he's less worthy than most.

Aside from that, some great posts from glitterbag and firefly.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:39 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

One detail that blew my mind was that the victim was raped again less than a month later
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On October 25, a 12-year old girl, student of Willard Middle School was sexually assaulted by 9 boys for over five hours. After the sexual assault the girl was transferred to another school, Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School.

On November 8, the same girl was lured to a secluded area of campus and raped by a 13 year old boy. The next day the boy was arrested on charges of rape and he was then released to his parents. The girl has since been taken out of school.


As sick as this sounds, it is true. When it is found out that someone has been raped there is a "sick mentality" that well, she's already had sex so what's the big deal? BBB experienced that and I did too. It is sick, sick, sick! That child had no time at all to even begin to understand what had happened to her and for it to happen all over again? That is why I really want to know the outcome. She suffered so!
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:41 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

It's awesome when you put the idiot on ignore. No more unintelligible posts. No more murdered, mangled english. No more stupidity. I refuse to give idiots a stage and he's less worthy than most.

Aside from that, some great posts from glitterbag and firefly.
It is so much better with them ignored. This is a very good thread with some very important facts on it. I am sure there are others out there reading that do not feel comfortable posting but are getting something from it. Glad you joined us.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:46 pm
@Arella Mae,
My point was that there's a real need to make jr high "sex education" less about sex and more about consequences and ramifications that aren't apparent in the media adulation of sex and violence.

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"Nobody was remorseful," Lopes said of the seven boys police arrested and questioned. "Some boys just didn't think that they did anything wrong. There's a lot of sexual behavior at this middle school and other middle schools and most of it's play. These boys don't understand the difference between play and the real thing. They crossed the line, but they don't understand the line."

Lopes said some boys did not even see anything wrong with admitted acts of coercion. Because each of the boys have different understandings of the alleged crimes due to their different ages, charging them will be complicated.

"Research shows that one out of every 12 men on a college campus have admitted to committing a sexual assault, but at the time it happened they really didn't know that it was one," said Iman Nazeeri, a UC Berkeley health educator. "They've bought into the myth that men need to be aggressive because of reasons such as how violence in the media is tied to sexuality. It's a shame, but I'm sure children like those boys in question observe that."

While the criminal case continues, there is an attempt being made to make students more aware of issues relating to sexual violence. On Tuesday, Willard held teach-ins for all students.

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:49 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

My point was that there's a real need to make jr high "sex education" less about sex and more about consequences and ramifications that aren't apparent in the media adulation of sex and violence.

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"Nobody was remorseful," Lopes said of the seven boys police arrested and questioned. "Some boys just didn't think that they did anything wrong. There's a lot of sexual behavior at this middle school and other middle schools and most of it's play. These boys don't understand the difference between play and the real thing. They crossed the line, but they don't understand the line."

Lopes said some boys did not even see anything wrong with admitted acts of coercion. Because each of the boys have different understandings of the alleged crimes due to their different ages, charging them will be complicated.

"Research shows that one out of every 12 men on a college campus have admitted to committing a sexual assault, but at the time it happened they really didn't know that it was one," said Iman Nazeeri, a UC Berkeley health educator. "They've bought into the myth that men need to be aggressive because of reasons such as how violence in the media is tied to sexuality. It's a shame, but I'm sure children like those boys in question observe that."

While the criminal case continues, there is an attempt being made to make students more aware of issues relating to sexual violence. On Tuesday, Willard held teach-ins for all students.


I definitely agree with you there. There has to be better education or things like this will just keep happening.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 06:37 pm
@Arella Mae,
This also happened in a Junior High School--this time the victim was a 13 year old male. He was sexually assaulted in a locker room 4 times on 4 different occasions, by a group of 4 other boys and, on at least one of those occasions, two attackers held him down and he was penetrated with a broomstick and a hockey stick by two other attackers. The boys were all on a flag-football team and the 13 year old didn't want to report the assaults because he didn't want to be taken off the team. After the last attack, with penetration, he snapped and finally reported it.

The attackers were all charged as adults, but none of them was sentenced to jail time. Allegedly, the victim agreed with this outcome. This sort of sexual violence also has to be addressed in sex education classes. According to one of the attackers, "We were just goofing off". This is not normal adolescent horseplay and that must be made clear as part of sex education. When a young male is sodomized in this manner it becomes very clear that the purpose of rape is to debase and humiliate.

I'm not sure I agree with not giving any of them any jail time. But even the victim's father didn't want to see the other boys lives completely ruined because he empathized with their parents.

I wonder if there is a double standard operating because the victim was male. I think that if the victim were female, and subjected to anal rape with objects, the attackers would have done jail time. Is such a double standard fair?
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Posted on Thursday, 09.09.10
Middle-schoolers avoid jail in rape of classmate
The Associated Press

TAMPA, Fla. -- The two alleged ringleaders in the locker room sexual assault of a Tampa-area middle-school student are going to spend the next five years on adult probation.

Prosecutors said they allowed the boys - now ages 15 and 16 - to plead guilty to lesser charges to avoid a trial that no one wanted.

The victim told police that the four defendants participated in holding him down and penetrating him with a broomstick and hockey stick in May 2009 in the locker room of Walker Middle School during weeks of bullying. The boys were flag-football teammates at the school in Odessa, near Tampa.

The two boys pleaded guilty to third-degree felony battery on Wednesday. The others had already settled their cases with plea agreements and probation.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/09/1816197/middle-schoolers-avoid-jail-in.html


I couldn't find any more info on the rapes of that mentally disabled junior high school girl, Arella Mae, other than that she was taken out of school. For her own safety that had to be done. Horrible--to be raped twice.


Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 07:23 pm
@firefly,
Where in the world do children learn such horrid things? This world is so sick sometimes. We have children brutalizing children! Some of these acts are so inhuman. I am afraid the only way I can deal with it is to believe they are just evil. But children being evil? It is almost too much to bear. I cannot imagine what that young boy went through. It makes me cry.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 07:58 pm
This judge gave the rapist a stiffer sentence than the prosecution even asked for, based on the effect the attack had on the victim's life.
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September 21, 2010 3:00 a.m.
Meth-fueled rapist sentenced to 100 years
Rebecca S. Green | The Journal Gazette

FORT WAYNE – Prosecutors asked for a 90-year prison sentence for Theodore “Toby” Schwartz after he admitted to attacking and raping a woman in her south Allen County home a year ago.

But after hearing from the woman Schwartz attacked about her efforts to cobble together her life again, Allen Superior Court Judge John Surbeck sentenced Schwartz to a total of 100 years in prison Monday afternoon.

On a drug-induced, three-county crime spree late last summer, Schwartz, 40, broke into the woman’s home while she was at work.

When she returned home, she found Schwartz hiding on the basement steps. He robbed her, beat her and forced her upstairs, where he raped her. He tried to strangle her and then forced her into a closet.

To avoid capture by police, Schwartz jumped out the second-floor bathroom window and took off in the victim’s car. He ditched the car shortly afterward, and is accused of then stealing a van in Wells County, where police say he robbed a grocery store and rammed a sheriff’s car before fleeing into a cornfield.

The Journal Gazette will not name the woman, who spoke during Monday’s hearing, because she is the victim of a sex crime.

The woman knew Schwartz through his father’s company, which she had hired to do restoration work on an old barn on her property. The job took months to complete and started almost exactly a year before the attack.

“You laid in wait for her,” Surbeck said. “You knew her habits because you were at her home for 12 weeks.”

Before Surbeck handed down the sentence, Schwartz turned and faced the woman, seated amid family and friends in the front row.

“I am truly sorry for all the pain I caused,” Schwartz said, his voice trembling. “What I did was cruel, cowardly.”

Pleading guilty in August was his attempt to make things right, Schwartz said, although he admitted it wasn’t enough.

Methamphetamine turned Schwartz into a different person, he said, causing him to lose concern in his work, his finances and his children.

“It drove me to the brink of insanity,” Schwartz said.

But Stacey Speith, Allen County deputy prosecutor, pointed out that Schwartz’s troubles with addiction went beyond just the past few years. And in his statements to probation officers before his sentencing, Schwartz said he never went anywhere without a one-pot meth lab with him, Speith said.

The woman’s mother described looking out her kitchen window and seeing a strange car at her daughter’s home, about a quarter-mile up the road.

She watched Schwartz knock her daughter to the driveway and she tried to figure out how to help.

“I got my rifle and I was going to go down there,” she said. “But I couldn’t find the shells.”

She went down anyway, taking her car and noting the license plate on the car Schwartz drove.

The woman’s mother went inside, saw the house in disarray and crept upstairs, barely hearing voices over the noise of the air conditioner. As she put her hand on the bedroom door to go inside, something made her stop, turn around and go get more help.

The older woman went to another neighbor’s home, where they called police before going back to the daughter’s home.

The crime is always with her, as well as the victim, she said.

The woman’s cousin Robin Stark described how the victim “lives, sleeps and eats in a crime scene, every day” and is working hard to find normalcy again.

The victim described how that August 2009 day left her life in ruins.

“In a few short minutes, the future went dark,” she said, describing how she wasn’t sure he wouldn’t kill her. “I know I’ll never be the same person again.”

In sentencing Schwartz, originally charged with 15 felonies, Surbeck grouped the nine crimes to which he pleaded guilty into two categories – the property crime and the sexual assault.

He sentenced Schwartz to 50 years in prison on the charges of burglary and robbery and 18 months on the charge of receiving stolen auto parts. He ordered those sentences to be served at the same time, for a total of 50 years.

Surbeck then sentenced Schwartz to 50 years in prison on the charge of rape, with a variety of sentences for the two charges of criminal deviate conduct and an additional charge of strangulation. The battery charge was merged into the other charges, and like the first group, Surbeck ordered those sentences to be served at the same time.

But he ordered the 50 years for the property crime and the 50 years for the sexual assault to be served consecutively, for a total prison sentence of 100 years.

“He made the choice,” Surbeck said. “He was not mentally disabled by drugs, but drugs probably enabled him to get past his prohibitions.”

Surbeck granted the prosecutor’s request to dismiss the six other charges – mostly all drug-related – to which Schwartz had yet to enter a plea.

Additional charges are pending in Wells, Adams and Jay counties.

After the hearing, the woman said she was surprised by the length of the sentence.

She said she feels sorry for Schwartz’s family, who spoke emotionally at the hearing and expressed pain for not only Schwartz but the victim as well.

“I hope this will help me move on,” she said.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100921/LOCAL03/309219994
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 08:05 pm
@firefly,
I think unless you have been raped you cannot fully grasp what it is like. Oh I know you can have sympathy and empathy for someone but it's like with a migraine, unless you have had one, no one can describe it well enough.

I would like to think him pleading guilty and apologizing helped this woman but because of my experience I doubt it helped. It is such a heinous crime. It is a crime that can rip the very soul out of a person. It takes away your trust and your security. I am glad that judge stepped up!
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:20 pm
If you can see their faces while they beat or rape...they can say anything later about how sorry they are, but they are really only sorry that they got caught. When you witness the frenzy and anger while you are violated, and then realize that those negative emotions will never leave them, it's hard to sleep at night and you are so careful about your surrondings it makes you a prisoner too.
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 11:42 pm
@glitterbag,
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When you witness the frenzy and anger while you are violated,
do you have some data on the number of rapes done with anger? I doubt it. Lust is a powerful motivator for a man, we will walk a mile in **** to bang the right broad. The crazy line that rape is not about sex it is all about power and control would be a hoot had not so many people bought that nonsense. Now it is just sad..it shows how far people will go to deny reality that does not fit into their politics, in this case sex and gender politics.
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 12:03 am
Nice to see you hawkeye....now lets compare notes on how your rape was handled!
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