Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@JustBrooke,

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I seriously doubt anyone could rape me without losing his balls first.

You are not allow to think in that manner as you can only be a defenseless victim of any male who might take it into his head to rape you,

Firefly need fearful women and blown up statistics to promote her anti-male programs.

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It's not bad enough that a girl gets drugged and gang raped at a rave party, but people stand and watch the rape, photograph it, and post the rape pictures on Facebook. This is horrifying stuff.

These stories are both about the same incident..

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Facebook pictures help police in alleged gang rape at B.C. rave
Sep. 16, 2010 6:00

A 16-year-old girl was drugged and raped repeatedly by partygoers at a weekend rave near Vancouver as onlookers snapped photos that have since found their way onto Facebook, the RCMP said Thursday.

The attack happened at a rave last Friday night on a rural property near Pitt Meadows, east of Vancouver. Police believe the girl was given a substance commonly know as the date-rape drug.

“It's essentially one male having intercourse and when he's done, another one participates — that's a gang rape,” Insp. Derren Lench said in an interview.

“It's a sexual assault, it's an unwanted assault taking advantage of someone who is under the influence of this drug.”

Insp. Lench said the girl was drugged and, while she wasn't unconscious at the time, she was incapable of consenting as several people had intercourse with her. He described the assault as “violent” and said the girl was left with undisclosed injuries.

There had been no arrests connected to the rape, but Insp. Lench said attackers are believed to include minors and young adults.

As for the photos, a 16-year-old boy was arrested and later released as prosecutors consider charges of producing and distributing child pornography.

Insp. Lench said the RCMP have been contacting Facebook users who have posted them and demanded they be removed and deleted. Many have complied, he said, but some have so far refused.

“Every time it's shut down on one Facebook [account], it seems to reappear and its been shared in several communities in the Lower Mainland, so the victim has to relive it on a daily basis,” Insp. Lench said in an interview.

“This [the photographs] is just one portion of a larger investigation. Obviously the sex assault aspect is our primary focus.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/facebook-pictures-help-police-in-alleged-gang-rape-at-bc-rave/article1710072/

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Teen who shared photos of alleged gang rape victim could face child porn charges: Police
By Glenda Luymes,
The Province
September 16, 2010

Picturesof an alleged gang rape are “spreading like wildfire” over the cellphones and computers of teens who attended a chaotic party in Pitt Meadows Friday night.

In an emotional press conference Tuesday, Ridge-Meadows RCMP urged youth who attended the party to come forward with information — and to take the alleged rape seriously.

“The youth don’t seem to understand that this is a rape,” Insp. Darren Lench told reporters. “There’s this thought that somehow it was consensual and that some 16-year-old girl wanted her private parts displayed out in a field with people watching and taking advantage of her.”

According to police, the girl and several friends attended the party Friday night on a rural property on Harris Road. During the party, the girl was allegedly drugged, taken outside and then raped by a group of five to seven young men. She suffered “significant injuries” during the attack, while another group of youth simply watched.

A 16-year-old boy who was present for upwards of 20 minutes allegedly took photos of the rape, then shared them with friends by cellphone. They were eventually posted on the social-networking site Facebook.

“Preteens who were shown these graphic photos came home crying to their parents because they’d seen something so appalling,” said Sgt. Jennifer Hyland, adding police consider the photos to be child pornography.

“They have been viewed, shared, saved and re-posted numerous times ... Speaking as a woman, I cannot even imagine what this young girl is going through and has to live with.

“[The situation] is disgusting, morally corrupt and criminal.”

Police learned about the rape Sunday after another teen saw the photos on Facebook, printed them and brought them to police.

The girl was in the process of receiving medical attention.

The 16-year-old boy who allegedly took the photos was arrested Tuesday. He has since been released, but police are hoping Crown counsel will approve charges related to production of child pornography.

In the meantime, police are focused on nabbing the alleged rapists and convincing those at the party to help them.

“These people need to come forward and do the right thing,” said Hyland. “Regardless of what some people believe they were watching, this was a rape.”

On Facebook Thursday afternoon, it was apparent some teens disagreed, with some making jokes about Pitt Meadow’s bad reputation.

“If you knew the true story you would find it funny...” wrote a young man who graduated from Pitt Meadows Secondary last spring. The Province has chosen not to report some of the other comments being made.

Police said they were aware a party would be taking place on the Harris Road property Friday night and made some drive-by patrols. They were not told it would be a rave-type party, which usually means drugs will be involved. Police estimate a few hundred youth attended. According to posts on Facebook, the party was called Another Night in Bangkok. Tickets sold for about $10. A party at the same place two weeks earlier had been called A Night in Bangkok.

It is unclear who organized the party. Police said they haven’t talked to the owners of the property yet, but they were told a group of young adults sold tickets to the event. According to property records, the land is owned by Amrik and Davinder Mahal. A person who answered the phone at a home belonging to Amrik Mahal said he was away until Friday.

At the Harris Road property Thursday, there was little evidence of the weekend’s events.

An rundown house sat in the middle of a field, an old string of Christmas lights sagging in one window. Several mattresses were stacked on the front porch. Blackberry brambles climbed over a fence bordering an overgrown lawn. Behind the house were several vehicles and a metal shed or barn. The barn was surrounded by tall, dead grass, garbage and a few trees.

Two people leaving the property said they were only tenants.

“It all happened in the barn,” said a man who appeared to be in his 40s. It was unclear if he was speaking about the party or the alleged rape. “It’s not our place to say no [to parties on the property]. Talk to the landlords.”

Elsewhere in the community, there was outrage.

Pitt Meadows Mayor Don MacLean called the alleged rape and photo-sharing “deeply disturbing.”

He urged parents to “take another look at where their children are going and what they’re doing.”

Staff a Pitt Meadows Secondary said they are planning to hold an assembly Friday morning to reinforce the RCMP’s message.

“If [students] are uploading these images, they are liable to be charged with uploading child pornography, because that’s what this amounts to,” said school district communications manager Seamus Nesling.

The school will also make counselling available, with future assemblies in the works to continue to address the issue.

Pitt Meadows parent Sonya Bartsch-Csillag said her 14-year-old son was invited to the party on Facebook. She didn’t allow him to go.

“I knew bad things would happen there,” she said, adding the community needs to take the situation as a call to “get our heads out of the sand and take responsibility for our kids.”
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Teen+shared+photos+alleged+gang+rape+victim+could+face+child+porn+charges+Police/3531207/story.html

That community better get it's head out of the sand and take a look at what its kids are doing.

Even if those males somehow thought they were watching consensual sex, how could they photograph it and put it on Facebook? How could they not have realized this was an actual rape, since the victim received significant injuries? And they treat the gang bang and the photos as a joke? They think this girl "asked for it"? She wanted to be gang raped and have the photos spread across the internet? The mentality operating here is frightening.

Apart from hoping that the RCMP apprehend the rapists involved, I do hope they can bring child pornography charges against those who took and posted the photos because a message needs to be sent to the public. This is not harmless fun. This is outrageous. Those photos of the rape are child porn, with a specific victim, and they will remain in cyberspace forever, to haunt and humiliate her.

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@firefly,

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, I do hope they can bring child pornography charges against those who took and posted the photos because a message needs to be sent to the public. This is not harmless fun. This is outrageous. Those photos of the rape are child porn, with a specific victim, and they will remain in cyberspace forever, to haunt and humiliate her.

The interesting thing is that in the US a child porn charge is likely to bring more prison time then a sexual assault charge. Twenty years is normal for such a charge and the attackers are likely be free long before the cell phone pictures takers.

I think that Canada follow the UK model and is a little more sane on the subject but god help any US citizen who posts such pictures or download them or even view them online for that matter.

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@firefly,

I don't know how anyone could stand there and watch and take pictures either. As far as I am concerned, they are just as guilty of the rape as the ones that did it. How can anyone be so cold and hard-hearted!?

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@Arella Mae,

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I don't know how anyone could stand there and watch and take pictures either. As far as I am concerned, they are just as guilty of the rape as the ones that did it. How can anyone be so cold and hard-hearted!?

You do understand that you are talking about mid-teens who are more then likely under the influence of dugs and alcohol themselves at the time?

Bet it was not just boys taking those pictures either or posting them for that matter.

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@Arella Mae,

In my opinion the people who should be hung are the adults who set up this drug/alcohol party and let it get out of hand beside.

When you set up a drug and alcohol party for mid-teens even without the rape or whatever is was happening you should hang such promoters.

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http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/162/13/1843

Raves: a review of the culture, the drugs and the prevention of harm
Erica Weir
Dr. Weir is the Editorial Fellow of CMAJ and is a dual resident in Community Medicine and Family Medicine at McMaster University, Hamilton, Ont.

Abstract

Raves are all-night dance parties attended by large numbers of youth, sometimes in excess of 20 000. The rave scene, which is international in scope, is distinguished by clandestine venues, hypnotic electronic music and the liberal use of drugs such as ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate) and ketamine. Several rave-related deaths in Canada in 1999 alerted health authorities, parents and police to the health risks of rave attendance. Family physicians, emergency physicians and pediatricians should have some understanding of raves, the drugs and the health risks so they can effectively counsel and treat patients. The rave culture in Canada and the drugs commonly used at raves are reviewed, and strategies and initiatives for harm reduction are discussed.

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In January 2000, Ontario's Deputy Chief Coroner, Dr. Bonita Porter, announced an inquest into the death of Allan Ho, a 21-year-old man who collapsed at a rave party and later died at Humber River Regional Hospital Emergency Department on Oct. 10, 1999.1 Several other rave-related deaths in Ontario and Nova Scotia in the fall of 1999,2 raised the possibility of raves as public health hazards; although alarmed parents and politicians called for a crackdown on raves and threatened prohibition, the rave community protested the media exaggeration and requested a balanced perspective and response. Family physicians, pediatricians and emergency physicians should have some and understanding of the rave culture, the drugs often used at raves and the associated health risks so they can communicate knowledgeably with patients, recognize potential drug use and provide advice about harm reduction.
Raves are all night dance parties sometimes attended by as many as 20 000 youths who dance vigorously and continuously to repetitive electronic music played by celebrated disc jockeys (DJs). Raves first appeared in Britain and the United States in the mid-1980s and have since spread to other countries including Australia, India, Belgium, Egypt and Canada. "Ravers" have been described as a shadowy subculture of youth who, in reaction to the materialism of the "me" generation,3 have embraced a party etiquette of peace, love, unity and respect, which is captured in the rave logo "PLUR."4 Embodying a musical blend of psychedelic hippiedom and pneumatic punk, raves centre around mobile sound systems, hypnotic rhythms, clandestine venues and the liberal use of drugs such as 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; "ecstasy") and gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB). Ravers seek sensory amplification and euphoric transcendence through a combination of marathon trance dancing, drug use and music.

There is not much published in the medical literature on the subject of raves. A PubMed search using "rave" or "raves" as keywords produced only 17 English articles on rave dances since 1995; these included 6 descriptive epidemiology studies mostly from the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia,5-10 7 case reports on the medical complications of rave-related drug use,11-17 2 educational articles on the pharmacology of ecstasy18,19 and 1 review of raves with a focus on ecstasy.20 There were no articles on "raves" and "harm reduction." In contrast, a PubMed search combining the keywords "ecstasy" and "drug use" produced 247 articles published in the last 5 years. Whereas there is an abundance of articles on the pharmacology of ecstasy and the complications associated with its use, there is a paucity of literature on the public and preventive health aspects of rave attendance.

Drawing from the fields of sociology4 and pop culture,3 information from drug-prevention workers,21,22 Web sites pertaining to drug use and raves,23-27 as well as on recent medical literature, an overview of the rave culture, the illicit drugs available at raves and harm reduction issues and initiatives is presented. Information on the acute management of specific poisonings is mentioned only briefly; more comprehensive protocols are available in a recent review article28 and from poison control centres. Contact information for Canadian poison control centres is listed in the lilac section of the most recent edition of the Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties.29

The rave culture

The rave scene, which has been active in Canada since the late 1980s, has spawned a flourishing industry of promoters, performing DJs, fashion designers and graphic artists; 4 key components distinguish the rave scene: the music, the venue, the people and the drugs.

The underground or noncommercial music featured at raves is distinct from the music played at conventional nightclubs. Most of the genres of rave music are produced by computers and include little or no vocals. Artists and independent record companies press small quantities of "white labels" (i.e., 12-inch singles with no packaging) and distribute them directly to DJs. Radio and multinational record companies are bypassed. Types of rave music include "house," "acid house," "hardcore," "ambient," "faster moving hardcore" or "happy hardcore," "jungle" or "drum&bass," and "techno" or "trance". As an example, the "techno" sound has been described as "repetitive, remorselessly loud and fast, surging past the listener in mind-numbing waves."3 The DJs, often regarded as performing artists in much the same way as those who create the music, can be the main draw for raver attendance.

Because alcohol is often not available at raves there is usually no age restriction on admission. Raves typically last all night and are held at different venues each time. Originally, raves were held at clandestine locations such as farmers' fields, with news of the location released just hours before the event in an attempt to deter police surveillance. More often now raves are held in legal spaces such as concert halls, underground parking lots and warehouses. Given the high and unpredictable number of attendees, concerns have arisen about sanitary conditions at these events - in some instances, portable toilets have been brought in. The heat and humidity generated at large raves has led to the insistence that running water be available at the parties as well.

It is estimated that most rave attendees are between 15 and 25 years of age4 and are from middle-class backgrounds. Raving is an expensive leisure activity; the cost of admission ranges from $10 to $50, and the cost of the drugs ranges from $10 to $40 per night. The requisite clothing (Fig. 1) could include baseball hats, T-shirts emblazoned with logos, baggy pants, running shoes, knapsacks, barrettes, infant toys, plastic chains and infant soothers. As the clothing suggests ravers pride themselves on their lack of pretension and their open acceptance of themselves and their community. From their viewpoint the androgynous dress diminishes distinctions based on physical attractiveness and sexual orientation. Many ravers perceive the events to be safe havens for outcasts, "nerds" and "computer geeks,"4 who are attracted by the use of computers to produce the music and the Internet to promote the scene.27,30

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@Arella Mae,

Apparently, the comments posted under the Facebook photos are pretty bad too. And some people won't take the photos down and stop sending them to others even though the RCMP have told them do so and threatened child porn charges.

These morally bankrupt idiots think that, if the girl consented, then the posting of such photos, which are sexual and graphic, is just fine. They don't care what the hell they are doing to her because they claim SHE ASKED FOR IT.

They are denying the gang rape because they feel, as long as she was conscious she was consenting. Like BillRM and Hawkeye, they are playing dumb about what constitutes consent. No one consents to be gang raped, and photographed, with a group of people watching. The girl was drugged. This is rape denial and rape mythology to the max.

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Several people watched as the drugged girl was repeatedly raped and at least one of them took photographs, which were posted on sites like Facebook, according to police. Police were shocked by several posted comments that suggested the gang rape was consensual.

"I have never ever seen anything like it," Cpl. Jennifer Hyland told a Thursday morning press conference. "It's disgusting. I'm not saying it's not happened before, but morally, in this community, the comments that are being said about his victim and the insinuations that are being made…when we have the physical and medical evidence about the injuries this girls suffered…it's disgusting to read what these youth are posting and even more disgusting that the photos are being shared and put onto more sites. I've never seen anything like it."

Police say the traumatized victim is "not well," hasn't attended school, and has had to return to the doctor since the attack. Hyland said the type of drug she was given will be known in a few weeks. However, many date rape drugs dissolve in the system rapidly, which can make detection of any drug difficult.

Hyland said the girl had friends at the party, but they had lost sight of her.

"There were both adults and youth present at this party," said Hyland. "Five to seven is the number that we've been given so far, that witnessed, took part, or at least observed all or a portion of this sexual assault."

Police called the press conference in part to try to curtail the dissemination of the photos, which they described as "graphic."

"We'll be really clear," said Hyland. "Child pornography is the depiction of anybody under 18 years old where the primary purpose of the photo is a sex act or to show the genitalia of the person in the photo. In this case our victim is 16 years old. This is child pornography. Period. There is no confusion or discussion about what this is. She is not 18. The pictures are graphic. And they are sexual. And they are disgusting. There is no confusion here," said Hyland.

She said many youths contacted by police were uncooperative when asked to stop distribution of the photos. They continue to be distributed through social networking sites such as Facebook, and on Blackberrys and iPhones.

Hyland explained that anyone in possession of any of the photos who sends them to someone else could be criminally charged.

"One of the reasons we called this press conference is we cannot contact the numbers of people doing it. It is spreading like wildfire. And our attempt to stop this and this victim from reliving this and being victimized… it's just getting worse. The more we tell people to take it off, the more they post it.

"It is a morally disgusting act to post such graphic, private pictures of anybody on the network," Hyland said..."It's disgusting. What does anybody get out of looking at these photos? Anybody who does it is appalling
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100915/bc_rave_gang_rape_100915/20100916?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

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Men are not the only ones who get raped, or commit rape, in prisons.

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Court denies lower sentence for jail rapist
Thursday, September 16, 2010

By BRIAN MOSELY ~ [email protected]
One of the four women who pleaded guilty to raping a fellow inmate in 2008 while locked up in Bedford County Jail has lost her appeal for a lower sentence.
Evetta Mai McGee had appealed her sentence of 11 years to the Court of Criminal Appeals, contending that Circuit Court Judge Robert Crigler had erred when he "enhanced her sentence beyond the statutory minimum without explanation."

McGee was serving a nine-year sentence for manufacturing, possessing or selling drugs when she and three other inmates attacked a cellmate.

Brooke Whitaker, Kelly Dodson and Brandy Holden helped McGee restrain the victim of the sexual assault on the night of Aug. 20, 2008 after lockdown.

The victim checked herself that night, cried herself to sleep and reported the rape the next morning. Capt. Becky Hord conducted an investigation and took statements from everyone in the cell, including one who was not a participant.

Other women in adjoining cells heard the victim screaming "no, stop and things like that while the assault went on." McGee was indicted by the county grand jury for aggravated rape, and she pleaded guilty to rape before Judge Crigler. ..

Whitaker also pled guilty in the case, receiving a 12-year sentence by Crigler, to be served consecutively with an eight-and-a-half-year term for other offenses, making it more than 20 years of incarceration for her.

Holden and Dodson both entered a plea of guilty for kidnapping and agreed to serve six years. Holden will be eligible for parole when her sentence reaches 30 percent while Dotson will be eligible when she reaches 35 percent of her sentence due to prior felonies on her record.
http://www.t-g.com/story/1665044.html

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@firefly,

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. Like BillRM and Hawkeye, they are playing dumb about what constitutes consent. No one consents to be gang raped, and photographed, with a group of people watching. The girl was drugged. This is rape denial and rape mythology to the max.

With a rave party my idiot friend the girl was likely drug with her own eager consent along with a large percent of the whole party that is part of the rave scene.

Firefly remember when you came up with the statement on the Mosque thread that a Muslim man can mistreat or harm his wife and as he was following his religion and culture he had no criminal intend?

In this case the drug girl and her drug sexual partners all may had have zero criminal intend. In that case there was no rape as in under a sexual neutral sexual assault laws she would have been just as guilty or not guilt as her male partners for the actions on that dance floor.

This is not likely a happening where the girl was drug behind her back.

The only ones likely to hang or who should be hang are the pictures takers and the pictures posters and the adults who set up and was running this rave.

By the way it is child porn not only because of the girl but for any of her under age male partners in the pictures.

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@firefly,

Hawkeye does it not amaze you as must as me that when group of mid-teens got together to party and do drugs and at a result there was group sex on the dance floor Firefly and her like see no illogic with demanding that the males be arrested for rape?

To point out even more the illogic of this silliness suppose that there was a group of females having sex on that dance floor all drug up. Not one male being involved in the sex acts going on.

Who would Firefly like to charge with sexual assault in that case?

Do we just pick a woman at random to be the victim and the rest as rapists?

If the young lady could not grant consent for sex because of her own willing drug state to her male sexual partners then neither could her young male partners grant her consent to have sex with them because of their drug states.

It seem a complete wash to me.

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Here is something even more amusing to think about the age of consent for sex in Canada is sixteen so if any of her male sexual partners at that rave happen to be under sixteen it seem clear that she is guilty of statutory rape.

With such a crime at least in the US it does not matter your intend unlike with adult sexual assaults.

So if there was a poor male victim on that dance floor under sixteen having sex with her then she should be charge with the crime of statutory rape.

And do not think that courts do not get that crazy as there was a case under review that I read about of a woman where threaten with harm to her children if she did not have sex with some underage males and the legal question before the appeal court concerning their convictions for raping her was whether she was in turn guilt of statutory rape!

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@firefly,

How can anyone be so COLD HEARTED!? That story about the rape and facebook is so disgusting. It kind of reminds me of the Sylvia Likens story. Others joining in or doing nothing in the case of a most criminal act. The mob mentality is something I will never understand. I am completely unable to comprehend how it is possible for anyone to stand there and watch another human being harmed, much less photographing it. I think anyone involved in any way should face charges. This kind of thing is not going to stop unless drastic measures are taken. The internet can be such a useful tool but on the other hand, it is definitely pretty evil.

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@Arella Mae,

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How can anyone be so COLD HEARTED!? That story about the rape and facebook is so disgusting. It kind of reminds me of the Sylvia Likens story

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First AM if you would read the story you would find that most of the witnesses are not in agreement with police that it was anything but consensual sex.

That is the reasons given in the story that most of them are not being willing to help the police out.

Second do you not think it strange that the police would go out of their way to broadcasts the very exists of these pictures worldwide?

By doing so all they can achieved is having people search them out and further spending them far and wide.

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@Arella Mae,

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How can anyone be so COLD HEARTED!?

Because that's how rape victims get treated, Arella Mae.

They see nothing wrong with a gang bang, even a rather public gang bang, because there is an assumption she asked for it. And, if ahe she asked for it, she deserves what she gets--including the posting of the photos--because she is a slut. This is classic "blame the victim". In this case, it's also coupled with rape denial.

Can you think of any female, in her right mind, who would consent to be gang banged in front of a group of onlookers?

And, if a female was drunk or drugged enough to say she wanted it, would that morally justify a group of males taking advantage of her in a situation like that? These males are acting like animals, with no feelings for the female. They might be drunk or high on drugs, but that does not excuse their behavior either morally or legally--these males have committed rape, and they will be arrested and charged with rape. Those who posted the photos will be arrested and charged with child porn.

In this case, some of these lowlifes are continuing to deny that a rape took place, even though the police have made it clear that the girl was raped, by several men. It does not matter whether she took drugs or alcohol voluntarily, or whether drugs were slipped to her. She was legally unable to give consent--she was raped. She was injured by the acts of rape. She reported her rape to the police. After viewing the photos and videos taken of her assault, and reviewing the medical records, the police have no doubt that she was raped. In this case, even the police are outraged about what was done to this girl, both the gang rape and the posting of the photos.

This incident really brings together so much of what we have been discussing in this thread, particularly negative attitudes toward rape victims, victim blaming, rape denial, rape myths, rape apologies, and basic misogynist attitudes. However, this case goes beyond those things in one regard--the posting and sharing of those photos. These sadists want to punish and humiliate this woman, even beyond the pain of the rape, that's the point of the photos. This is incredible cruelty. No court should show any leniency to the rapists or to those who are responsible for posting and sharing the photos.

I believe that this horrible incident took place in a fairly small community. The photos have already appeared in neighboring communities. How on earth will this victim be able to continue with her life in that community? Given the fact that those photos are out on the internet, and can continue to resurface indefinitely, what can this 16 year old do? This is a nightmare for her.

I'll try to follow this case as it appears in the news, because it is relevant to everything we have been discussing in this thread, particularly the issues of consent, victim blaming, and rape denial.

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@firefly,

I am glad the police are as outraged as everyone else because they should be. That poor child, and yes, at 16 she is still a child. I pray that she can recover from this. I do agree this story encompasses everything we have been discussing in this thread. I wonder if any of the internet laws will be affected by this? I sure hope so!

Anyone that thinks she asked for it is just insane, firefly, and they have no clue to what rape is and what it can do to a person's body and soul.

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@Arella Mae,

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I wonder if any of the internet laws will be affected by this? I sure hope so!

Give that child porn over the internet is already earning people 20 years in prison in the US and the FBI is playing games with honey pots and the P2P networks are being monitor and.......I am not sure what more you would care to have change concerning laws and the internet in relationship to child porn.

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@firefly,

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Can you think of any female, in her right mind, who would consent to be gang banged in front of a group of onlookers?

We just had a woman throw acid into her own face and was very convicting about being attacked so what a woman will or will not do still amaze me.

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This story was in the news in April. It was a gang rape of a 7 year old--a crime that also outraged the police. It took place in a area dominated by gang violence, and the police were concerned for the safety of the victim and her family, and they helped them to leave the neighborhood. The police asked for, and got, the cooperation of the community in identifying and apprehending many of the rapists. The police said they took this case "very personally".

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Five Arrested In Gang Rape Of 7-Year-Old
by Rich Schultz/AP

Last night, NJ law enforcement officials announced that five people had been arrested in connection with the reported gang rape of a 7-year-old girl in a Trenton apartment. Gregory Leary, 20, and Tiemear Lewis, 19, were charged, as were a 13-year-old, a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old. Their names were not released because they are minors, though Mercer County Prosecutor Joe Bocchini hopes to try them as adults. Trenton Mayor Doug Palmer said, "We're not finished. Because everyone who's responsible has not been arrested."

Police say the 7-year-old girl was gang raped after her 15-year-old stepsister brought her to a party in an abandoned apartment and sold her for sex; both girls were reported missing by their parents. The stepsister, who was also selling herself for sex, has already been arrested for promoting prostitution. Leary was arrested on Wednesday for statutory rape, for having sex with her.

Police do not believe the gang rape was a gang initiation and said that they made the arrests thanks to tips from the community, in spite of some hesitation. Palmer said, "Good people came forward to try and get justice for this 7-year-old angel, who was brutally gang-raped by pedophile animals. Everyone that was responsible is still not arrested. Police won’t rest until we get every one."

Palmer also revealed that the 7-year-old's family was moved to "a safe place right now. We're going to continue to embrace this family. This is a nightmare for everyone involved. And it's my intent to have them out of the area because the little girl has been stigmatized." Apparently the family has been threatened—the 7-year-old was allegedly told not to tell anyone about the gang rape because she would be killed—and the child also told Palmer, "Everybody’s staring at me. They know it’s me."

Trenton residents were pleased with the arrests, but are still upset at the horrific crime. "I say, 'kill "em all.' People like that need to be tied up and shot," said one man. Police Chief Joe Juniak said, "If you were in and out of the apartment and have knowledge of what was going on, you need to come forward. If you were in that apartment and have information, come forward before it's too late."
http://gothamist.com/2010/04/04/five_arrested_in_gang_rape_of_7-yea.php

With the situation in Canada, and the gang rape of the 16 year old, the community may also cooperate in helping to find the rapists. Some things are so outrageous that people just cant't remain silent.

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A women's rape counsellor says online mainstream pornography bears some of the responsibility for the recent brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl and the immediate, widespread online distribution of pictures of the attack.

"The proliferation of pornography on the internet makes it much more acceptable for the degradation of women and the rape of women to appear on Facebook," said Daisy Kler, spokeswoman for Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter.

"I think that's a new phenomenon. Much of the pornography available to kids on the internet is depictions of women being violently raped…and I think the acceptability of that kind of depiction of degrading women has influenced the acceptability of rape and sexual assault portrayed on Facebook."
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100916/bc_rape_counsellor_100916?hub=BritishColumbia

Viewing pornographic images of women being violently raped might desensitize young males to the true brutality of the act, and make it seem "more acceptable". That explanation does make sense.

But, while that might help to explain the posting of the photos, I'm not going to blame violent/rape porn for the actual gang rape, unless one makes an assumption that such porn simply contributes to group attitudes which are demeaning of women.

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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