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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:18 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae, I think you are right about alcohol and male sexual dysfunction. My experience has been similar to yours--alcohol generally decreases male sexual performance. But, Brooke is also right, this may be somewhat of an individual matter.

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The Effects of Alcohol
It is common knowledge that the consumption of alcohol acts as a depressant on a person’s nervous system. While a glass or two of your favorite beverage may help to enhance “romantic” feelings between you and your partner, continual drinking can cause erection issues, and limit sexual performance.

Once in a person’s system, alcohol dilates (or expands) the blood vessels in the penis. If you are able to achieve an erection during this state, the alcohol in your system actually keeps the blood vessels open, allowing the blood to drain out quickly. Once this happens, the penis will quickly return to its relaxed state, and intercourse becomes increasingly difficult, if not entirely ineffective.
http://www.hellolife.net/explore/erectile-dysfunction/the-effects-of-alcohol-and-erectile-dysfunction/


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J Stud Alcohol. 2004 May;65(3):320-9.

The role of victim and perpetrator intoxication on sexual assault outcomes.
Testa M, Vanzile-Tamsen C, Livingston JA.

Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, 1021 Main Street, Buffalo, New York 14203, USA. [email protected]

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: The current study was designed to examine the impact of perpetrator and victim substance use on the sexual assault outcomes of penetration and victim injury.

METHOD: Women, ages 18-30 (n = 1,014), were recruited from households using random digit dialing. They completed computer-assisted measures, including the Sexual Experiences Survey (Koss et al., 1987). Women who reported sexual assault since age 14 (n = 359) were interviewed face-to-face regarding their most recent sexual assault incident.

RESULTS: As hypothesized, high levels of perpetrator intoxication decreased the likelihood of penetration occurring. When the victim was highly intoxicated however, penetration was more likely. Victim injury was more likely in assaults involving penetration. Higher levels of perpetrator intoxication in assaults involving a sober victim were also associated with greater odds of victim injury.

CONCLUSIONS: Perpetrator intoxication effects are consistent with the presumption that intoxication at high levels impairs male sexual function but increases male physical aggression. Victim intoxication increases vulnerability to penetration but does not reduce odds of injury.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15222588


And college age males can suffer from problems with sexual performance, regardless of what BillRM thinks, and part of the problem can be due to alcohol use/abuse

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Erectile Dysfunction: The New Young Male Sex Epidemic
By Brenda Skidmore

For most men age has typically been the focus of, or the reason for erectile dysfunction, or ED. The rationale supporting this view is, age is considered by conventional medicine as the largest risk factor for ED sufferers.

As men age into their 40s, 50s, and 60s and beyond, they were more than three times likely to have obtained a host of other physical health problems contributing to their sexual performance problems.

Health conditions such as being overweight or obese, heart disease, high blood pressure, and depression are seen as inhibitors to being able to get and maintain a firm erection. Medications that are used to treat these health conditions are also believed to thwart sexual functioning.

Recently, however, The Washington Post reported earlier this year that college men as young as 20 are being diagnosed with ED. Former chairman of the psychiatric department at Duke University, Keith Brodie, who has counseled male college students for 25 years, commented that fifteen years ago almost no male students consulted with him on sexual performance issues, today he says they account for nearly 25 percent of his patients.

Clearly, ED has nothing to do with pre-existing health conditions in this age group of men. Quite possibly this problem has been around for a while but, with the advancement in modern drugs options, more young men are putting their embarrassment behind them like their older male counterparts in seeking answers...

...Drinking excessively or using other drugs several nights a week, staying up late and short changing themselves on sleep, stressed about school performance are also powerful sexual performance stealer's.

Another thought to consider is more young people than ever before are using antidepressants to cope with their physical and emotional anxieties. Antidepressants have a notable reputation for affecting sexual performance in males and females alike.

Now while the newer male enhancement drugs like 'Viagra' may seem like a simple and easy solution to erection problems, they do nothing for bringing on desire, the drugs merely help sustain an erection. They are not the cheapest options either, at nearly ten dollars a pill.

Side effects of drugs like 'Viagra' range from mild to severe and include symptoms such as affecting color vision and mild to severe headaches. In older men increased risks of a heat attack and in younger men, who really don't need it for physical reasons and take it for recreational purposes, may end up with a dependency for the drug. Imagine not being to maintain a erection without a drug!...

Younger men think they can drink heavily night after night and still perform like a stud. Alcohol is likely the main culprit of limp-dick syndrome, and alcohol dehydrates the body in a massive way...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Erectile-Dysfunction:-The-New-Young-Male-Sex-Epidemic&id=395659


And poor old BillRM should worry about his own alcohol use--or he might find he's not the man he once was. Laughing

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Heavy Drinking Will Lower Your Testosterone Levels. Beware Male Breast Enlargement, Testicular Atrophy

There is something supposedly masculine about heavy drinking. Drinking being something that guys do. That sharing a case of beers while watching a few ball games is a manly endeavor, and that fishing trips must be male bonding and liquor soaked affairs.

The somewhat ironic aspect of this masculinization of alcohol consumption is that alcohol consumption on a chronic basis actually contributes to a lessening in testosterone levels and sexual reproductive capability.

The Impact of Alcohol on Testosterone

Although acute drinking seems to cause a quick spike in testosterone plasma levels (which might account for drunken aggression and sexual desire) a single binge drinking session will result in a decrease in basal testosterone levels in the body for up to 24 ours after the fact (While also boosting levels of the hormone cortisol…muscle builders beware!)

Chronic drinking can result in a serious degradation of testosterone in the body, and can induce some serious hormonally linked changes.

Low testosterone levels in men are associated with:

•Male breast enlargement
•Lower percentages of lean muscle and more body fat
•Smaller testes
•Decreased sexual ability and desire
•Impotence
•Decreased fertility (a reduction in sperm count and sperm structure and functioning)
Lab tests examining the impact of chronic drinking on testosterone levels have found that as little as 5 days of consecutive binge drinking will cause a lingering fall in testosterone in the body.

So while social norms may seem to demand heavy drinking in certain male focused environments, heavy drinking actually reduces the maleness of those selfsame participants!
http://hubpages.com/hub/Heavy-Drinking-Will-Lower-Your-Testosterone-Levels-Beware-Male-Breast-Enlargement--Testicular-Atrophy

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:23 pm
@firefly,
I would imagine there are exceptions to every rule. I only know what my experience has been. It is possible the level of intoxication I was speaking of was different than the studies but I really don't think so.

Alcohol is a depressant. That, in itself, should be pretty telling.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:46 pm
@JustBrooke,
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was reading an article the other day about a guy that screamed rape against his female partner. He told the police that she used a date rape drug and molested him. After they had sex, the man made sure that the female understood that he "loved" his wife and would never leave her. The female got pissed because he was treating her like a prostitute after he got in her pants. He even threw money on the table and told her to buy something for her kids.

Well, that did it! She then told him that she was going to tell his wife about the affair. That's when the guy ran to the police and said she raped him. Of course she got treated badly by the police and was put through some pretty intense questioning and testing, as any rapist should be. Luckily for her, the police got the truth out of him and he admitted it was consensual.


LOL as must as I would love a turn around like that to be true as women been pulling that **** by the tens of thousands a year but I also taken note of no link so I think you might just be making that wonderful story up.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:50 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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was reading an article the other day about a guy that screamed rape against his female partner. He told the police that she used a date rape drug and molested him. After they had sex, the man made sure that the female understood that he "loved" his wife and would never leave her. The female got pissed because he was treating her like a prostitute after he got in her pants. He even threw money on the table and told her to buy something for her kids.

Well, that did it! She then told him that she was going to tell his wife about the affair. That's when the guy ran to the police and said she raped him. Of course she got treated badly by the police and was put through some pretty intense questioning and testing, as any rapist should be. Luckily for her, the police got the truth out of him and he admitted it was consensual.


LOL as must as I would love a turn around like that to be true as women been pulling that **** by the tens of thousands a year but I also taken note of no link so I think you might just be making that wonderful story up.
I'd say you are making the tens of thousands a year up because I know you can't provide any proof of it. You would be hard pressed to just find falsely accusing of rape on any crime statistical report.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:50 pm
@Arella Mae,
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using verbal force


By Verbal force that do you mean a verbal threat to used physical force or some new age nonsense?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:51 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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using verbal force


By Verbal force that do you mean a verbal threat to used physical force or some new age nonsense?
What the heck is new age nonsense? I'm talking about him saying he's gonna kill her or beat her up, etc.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:52 pm
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Rapists in the ranks
Sexual assaults are frequent, and frequently ignored, in the armed services.
March 31, 2008
Jane Harman--Jane Harman (D-Venice) chairs the House Homeland Security subcommittee on intelligence.

The stories are shocking in their simplicity and brutality: A female military recruit is pinned down at knifepoint and raped repeatedly in her own barracks. Her attackers hid their faces but she identified them by their uniforms; they were her fellow soldiers. During a routine gynecological exam, a female soldier is attacked and raped by her military physician. Yet another young soldier, still adapting to life in a war zone, is raped by her commanding officer. Afraid for her standing in her unit, she feels she has nowhere to turn.


These are true stories, and, sadly, not isolated incidents. Women serving in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.

The scope of the problem was brought into acute focus for me during a visit to the West Los Angeles VA Healthcare Center, where I met with female veterans and their doctors. My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41% of female veterans seen at the clinic say they were victims of sexual assault while in the military, and 29% report being raped during their military service. They spoke of their continued terror, feelings of helplessness and the downward spirals many of their lives have since taken.

Numbers reported by the Department of Defense show a sickening pattern. In 2006, 2,947 sexual assaults were reported -- 73% more than in 2004. The DOD's newest report, released this month, indicates that 2,688 reports were made in 2007, but a recent shift from calendar-year reporting to fiscal-year reporting makes comparisons with data from previous years much more difficult.

The Defense Department has made some efforts to manage this epidemic -- most notably in 2005, after the media received anonymous e-mail messages about sexual assaults at the Air Force Academy. The media scrutiny and congressional attention that followed led the DOD to create the Sexual Assault and Response Office. Since its inception, the office has initiated education and training programs, which have improved the reporting of cases of rapes and other sexual assaults. But more must be done to prevent attacks and to increase accountability.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/31/opinion/oe-harman31
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:53 pm
@firefly,
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You can always ask her whether she wants you to stop. If you have any doubt about whether she is willing, you should stop.


But according to you if she have some undefined level of blood alcohol it does not matter if you ask her a thousands times and she tell you to keep going big boy.

You still raping her.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:55 pm
@firefly,
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Do you think it is less degrading for a woman to have to admit to being raped, and to have to report it.


Given the large numbers who report rapes when none had occur it seem not to be a large problem for a large numbers of women to do.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:56 pm
@firefly,
I would imagine the ego is playing a big part in that firefly. Women in the military is a very touchy subject for a lot of men. I imagine some are going to feel rather emasculated and try to get that macho image back by rape. Sick!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:59 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I'd say you are making the tens of thousands a year up because I know you can't provide any proof of it. You would be hard pressed to just find falsely accusing of rape on any crime statistical report.


Sorry dear heart I had already posted the studies that anywhere from 25 percents to 50 percents of all non-strangers rapes are non-events and that would total up to many many thousands a year every damn year.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:02 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I imagine some are going to feel rather emasculated and try to get that macho image back by rape. Sick!


Not to mention it a wonderful way to get back at your commanding officers you do not like that male soldiers do not have available.

The one airforce study of 500 plus rape reports state that 25 percents turn out to be false without question.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:06 pm
@Arella Mae,
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What the heck is new age nonsense? I'm talking about him saying he's gonna kill her or beat her up, etc.


Fine we agree assuming in a given case the woman is not lying that is indeed real rape.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:06 pm
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June 01, 2010
Why Don’t More Women Sue Their Rapists?

In a recent article on Slate.com, Claire Bushey examines the practice, or lack thereof, of women who sue their rapists. She explains that ten years ago, the Supreme Court struck down a vital component of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) that allowed individuals to sue their rapists in federal court based on violation of civil rights claims. In 1994, Christy Brzonkala, a student at Virginia Tech, sued two football players for raping her. She sued both the players and the school under the VAWA’s civil rights policy. Yet, in United States v. Morrison, the Supreme Court ruled that “Congress had overstepped its constitutional authority by creating a federal remedy in the criminal-justice realm that usually falls to the states” and that Brzonkala’s case could only be heard by state, not federal courts.

This ruling has drastically affected the number of women suing their rapists, Bushey explains. While there has been a sharp rise in women filing lawsuits following a rape, the ruling makes it extremely difficult to obtain representation or compensation when suing a rapist. Even when the plaintiff wins (which is common), the rapists are often incapable of paying even the lawyer’s fees. In turn, few lawyers will take these types of cases. Instead, rape lawsuits generally go after third-party defendants, those who have money. These defendants are often employers, such as rent-a-cops or nursing homes, that don’t effectively screen their employees.

In contrast, the VAWA’s civil rights clause encouraged courts to award attorney’s fees to successful plantiffs, making it easier for women to obtain representation and thus sue their individual rapists. The clause also extended the statute of limitations to four years, enabling victims more time to deal with the devastating impacts of a rape and mount a case. But when the Supreme Court struck down these clauses, they did away with these measures and in turn made it increasingly difficult for women to sue their attackers.

Bushey argues that the ability to sue one’s rapist is particularly critical because of the failure of criminal courts to effectively prosecute rapists. She writes:

“Victims need the weapon of a lawsuit because the criminal courts don't always serve their interests. A 2004 study of sex crimes in Philadelphia and Kansas City, Mo., found that only half of the cases that resulted in an arrest were prosecuted. When prosecutors who doubt a victim's story are unwilling to press criminal charges, a civil suit allows the victim a different measure of justice. Juries determine guilt using a lower burden of proof; instead of deciding whether a defendant is guilty ‘beyond a reasonable doubt,’ a plaintiff need only demonstrate that ‘a preponderance of the evidence’ points to guilt, making it easier for victims to prevail. Victims don't send their rapists to prison by suing them, but the damages they can win are another form of punishment. Damages can also help replace a rape victim's lost income and pay for counseling. ‘The criminal case is about paying your debt to society,’ Dion says. ‘The civil case is about [perpetrators] paying their debt to the victim.’

Along with its practical importance for victims, VAWA promised a more abstract kind of benefit that was lost when the Supreme Court struck down the relevant portion of the law. Introducing the legislation in 1990, then-Sen. Joe Biden pointed out that more than 90 percent of sex crimes are committed against women. And yet, he argued, ‘we ignore the implication: a rape or sex assault should be deemed a civil rights crimes, just as 'hate beatings' aimed at blacks or Asians are widely recognized as violations of their civil rights.’ Even when states address rape victims' practical concerns by extending the time they have to sue or encouraging courts to award attorney's fees, they don't challenge the public to rethink rape as an attack on women because they are women—in other words, as a form of discrimination.”

Indeed, in order to successfully sue rapists, the essential components of the VAWA struck down by the Supreme Court must be reinstated. Rape is a civil rights crime and a discriminatory attack against women and must be understood as such. All legislation should accurately reflect this understanding if we are to successfully work to prevent violence against women.

http://legalmomentum.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/why-dont-more-women-sue-their-rapists-.html


This is the link to Bushey's article on Slate.com
http://www.slate.com/id/2254980/
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:08 pm
@BillRM,
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:16 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry dear heart I had already posted the studies that anywhere from 25 percents to 50 percents of all non-strangers rapes are non-events and that would total up to many many thousands a year every damn year


No, what you posted concluded that at least 75% of all rape reports are accurate--and suggested that all rape reports must be thoroughly investigated.

A rape is never a "non-event".

Why aren't you concerned that those 75% of accurate rape reports are not being thoroughly investigated?

BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:25 pm
@firefly,
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In a recent article on Slate.com, Claire Bushey examines the practice, or lack thereof, of women who sue their rapists. She explains that ten years ago, the Supreme Court struck down a vital component of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) that allowed individuals to sue their rapists in federal court based on violation of civil rights claims.



It a damn shame that the lady who had a civil suit again David Copperfield for raping her on his private island, got catch pulling an extortion attempted on another man before the Copperfield trial could begin.

She ended up losing millions over that little error more then likely. Hell perhaps with a nice Federal law in place she could had gotten funds out of Copperfield sooner and would not had need to try to extort funds out of some businessman in a hotel to keep her going.

And then we have the lady who was not at all eager to pursue a criminal case again Gore but was trying to reach a civil settlement or a civil lawsuit instead. Too bad she does not had the benefit of a Federal law also.

Let not forget the Knobe case that lady did just fine without a Federal law,

There solid gold in those civil cases if you do not get found out and hopefully the famous man is willing to roll over for a few millions get loss payments.




firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:28 pm
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Guest Essay: Stop the criminal, stop the crime
By: Olivia Burton
Posted: 9/8/10

I have a nifty idea when it comes to preventing rape. Are you ready?

Rethink what you know about sexual assault: It is not the victim's job to prevent rape or sexual assault. Simple, huh?

Most traditional assault-prevention programs tell (potential) victims to change the way they act: Don't wear revealing clothing, as it may send out the wrong idea. Don't accept a drink when you don't know where it came from. Don't set your drink down. Don't walk home alone. Don't park your car in the dark.

Why are we putting the responsibility on the victim? Instead of telling the victim to watch how much they drink, let us tell the rapist not to take advantage of someone who cannot make informed decisions or is unable to say no. Instead of telling the victim to watch their drink, tell the rapist not to put Rohypnol or other date rape drugs into anyone's drink. Instead of telling the victim not to dress "provocatively," tell the rapist not to molest, assault, leer or make inappropriate comments.

In a college town, date rape is more common than being attacked by an unknown assailant. It is during these social scenes that the "prevention techniques" are to be put into practice.

In addition to these preservation techniques, new products are being sold to aid women's defense against assault. Two of these products include the anti-rape female condom and FemDefence. Both of these products are to be used internally, which means in order for them to work, penetration must occur. This enforces the idea that victims are the only ones responsible for stopping attacks, when the blame is solely on the attacker.

Want to know how you can stop this? Rape prevention does not just involve the rapist and the victim. It also involves the bystander. If you hear your friend making inappropriate comments, tell him or her to stop. If you see your roommate taking advantage of an inebriated individual, step in and help. If you see a stranger invade someone's personal space, ask if there's a problem.

Maybe rapists think assault isn't a big deal. Maybe rapists would rather take control of the situation than leave the victim alone. Maybe the rapist feels the victim owes him or her. None of these are valid excuses, ever. One seemingly-inconsequential decision can be devastating.

Are these numbers and facts not enough to sway you? Perhaps you still think nonconsensual sex is OK because the victim deserves it in some way. But what if it happened to your sibling, your significant other or your best friend? What if it happened to you? Would you change your mind? Why is this hypothetical scenario needed in the first place?

Rethink what you know about sexual assault. Do not assume prevention relies on the victim. Yes, being prepared is a strong defense, but it is the rapist who we must stop.
http://media.www.thestylus.net/media/storage/paper1380/news/2010/09/08/Opinion/Guest.Essay.Stop.The.Criminal.Stop.The.Crime-3928239.shtml
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:30 pm
@firefly,
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No, what you posted concluded that at least 75% of all rape reports are accurate--and suggested that all rape reports must be thoroughly investigated


One study placed the figure at 75 percent for true rapes reports and that would still be thousands a year the others two studies placed the figure for true rapes at 59 percents and the third at 50 percents of reported rapes.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:30 pm
@BillRM,
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