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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:07 pm
I just thought of something Brooke. These young guys that take these pills-how do you think a judge would view them claiming they were raped by the woman because they were too intoxicated to consent? I'm thinking a judge is going to look mighty hard (no pun intended) at the fact he took those pills and what those pills were for-which they were obviously taken to have sex! I'd say that would pretty much negate their claim of rape. I don't know about in a court of law but it'd be an interesting fact to find out.

What do you think?
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:14 pm
@Arella Mae,
How do you prove they took pills at all even if they have them?

I question if anyone is set up to do a Viagra blood test.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:18 pm
@Arella Mae,
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These young guys that take these pills-how do you think a judge would view them claiming they were raped by the woman because they were too intoxicated to consent?
No self respecting man is going to admitt to being raped by a woman much less report it, and the level of intoxication is all the matters as proven by the fact that women get themselves drunk and then claim rape by intoxication. .....AND GET AWAY WITH IT
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:28 pm
I was speaking directly to Brooke. But I would like to include Firefly in that question.

I don't care what either of you two pathetic excuses for men think about anything.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
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No self respecting man is going to admitt to being raped by a woman much less report it


True but it fun to think of this silliness coming back and biting them in the rear end is it not?

The hate crime laws was sold to the people as a mean of protecting blacks from white KKK members ECT and yet it turn out that far more blacks being charge then whites under the law.

Hell even it would bit females in the rear end like the hate laws ended up biting blacks it still in not good because it will be our young women not the fools who support this nonsense such as Firefly.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:31 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I don't care what either of you two pathetic excuses for men think about anything.


You still think you have any control over the postings on this thread or for that matter should have such control.
JustBrooke
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:44 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

I just thought of something Brooke. These young guys that take these pills-how do you think a judge would view them claiming they were raped by the woman because they were too intoxicated to consent? I'm thinking a judge is going to look mighty hard (no pun intended) at the fact he took those pills and what those pills were for-which they were obviously taken to have sex! I'd say that would pretty much negate their claim of rape. I don't know about in a court of law but it'd be an interesting fact to find out.

What do you think?



They would think that it was just another guy lying about rape, like most rapists do!! Lie - lie - lie - lie - LIE!

I was reading an article the other day about a guy that screamed rape against his female partner. He told the police that she used a date rape drug and molested him. After they had sex, the man made sure that the female understood that he "loved" his wife and would never leave her. The female got pissed because he was treating her like a prostitute after he got in her pants. He even threw money on the table and told her to buy something for her kids.

Well, that did it! She then told him that she was going to tell his wife about the affair. That's when the guy ran to the police and said she raped him. Of course she got treated badly by the police and was put through some pretty intense questioning and testing, as any rapist should be. Luckily for her, the police got the truth out of him and he admitted it was consensual.

I guess rapists don't always lie about the fact that they indeed DID rape someone. Men can also lie and say they were raped when no rape occurred. No matter what gender brings false charges - it is still wrong. It is equally, if not more so, wrong for rapists to lie about their crime and walk free, as many do and go on to rape again and again and again.





Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:50 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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If she is drunk, he doesn't have legal consent. If he has sex with her, that is rape.


So this will also work in reverse if a woman had sex with a drunken man, at his whim after the fact we are going to be sending her to prison for rape?

I can not wait to hear your reply to that question LOL.




He is a man. He will not be violated like a woman would. In any case, if he is like you he would probably be so happy to get some that he wouldn't say a word.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:56 pm
@BillRM,
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My wife go almost nowhere without her 38 revolter.


Would the revolter of which you speak be you?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:00 pm
I decided to do a bit of research about drugs and rape. I found some interesting articles:

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http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/drugrape.htm

Drug facilitated rape most often occurs when a drug is slipped into someone’s drink, without that person’s knowledge. Most all of the drugs are odorless, tasteless, and colorless. They come in powder or liquid form. It only takes a rapist one second to slip something into a person’s drink without them knowing about it. Many times the rapists act like the "good guy." He says that he will take the victim home and take care of them since they do not feel well. The Drug-Induced Rape Prevention and Punishment Act of 1996 made it a crime to give any nonconsenting individual a controlled substance with the intent of committing a violent act, including rape, against the individual.
There is a lot of information on drugs and rape on that link like how long the drugs stay in your system, symptoms, etc.

This link is very informative. It's Called Through a Rapist's Eyes and can give good insight to some safety measures women can take:


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http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/through_rapists_eyes.htm

Of every 20 rapes committed in the U.S., only one will currently result in the rapist spending even one day in jail, let alone prison.

70-80% of rapists are well known to their victim so have no need to carry a weapon, and sadly very little concern with repercussions.

The law does not acknowledge fists and feet as deadly weapons when used during the commission of a rape, but very few victims can withstand repeated punches, stompings, head-buttings, etc. The majority of victims report having moments of fearing for their life (often times as a result of the horrible things rapists say) and desperately trying to stop his penetration of her. Rapists don’t tell their victim that they won’t hurt/kill her if she cooperates and even if they did…so what? Rape is one of the BIG FOUR (the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice report annual violent crime rates based on murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault rates only) and if he is willfully committing rape , there’s little reason to trust anything about him, especially her own life. Who needs a weapon? Those rapists who carry lethal weapons are likely to have crimes in addition to rape on their minds.


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http://www.911rape.org/drug-facilitated-sexual-assault-dfsa/overview

Below is a typical example of a "drug-facilitated sexual assault."

You are at a party, a club, or a social event. You are with people you know, people you believe you have no reason to fear. Someone secretly drops a drug in your drink. When the drug dissolves, it is colorless and odorless. It may also be tasteless. You cannot tell that you are being drugged. As you consume the drink, the drug takes effect. You are now in a weakened, helpless, or unconscious state. You cannot escape, resist, or even call out for help. You are sexually assaulted. When the drug wears off, you may not remember what was done to you, who did it, or whether anyone watched.

Can you imagine the horror the women that Andrew Luster drugged when they saw themselves being brutally raped and had no control whatsoever? Remember he said "they were laying there just waiting for him to do his will."

I only know what rape is when I knew what was going on. I am not sure I would have had the wherewithall to survive what Andrew Luster's victims did.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:33 pm
@JustBrooke,
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They would think that it was just another guy lying about rape, like most rapists do!! Lie - lie - lie - lie - LIE!
Do you think men are stupid? Only a moron would confess to a crime. Then we can also talk about how people routinely lie about sex, and how an lot of the time what is called rape is actually a dispute about consent where the guy says he did not rape the girl and honestly believes that he did not.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't think all men are stupid but I do think you have no morals whatsoever. Only a moron would confess to a crime? That is so laughable it's pathetic. Some people actually feel remorse for their crimes and will own up to them and take the consequences and then go on to be productive members of society.

Hawkeye, you said no man would admit to being raped. Just how do you suppose the Department of Justice, etc., get those statistics on men being raped by other men in prison? By the way, you still keep avoiding discussing that.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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They would think that it was just another guy lying about rape, like most rapists do!! Lie - lie - lie - lie - LIE!
Do you think men are stupid? Only a moron would confess to a crime. Then we can also talk about how people routinely lie about sex, and how an lot of the time what is called rape is actually a dispute about consent where the guy says he did not rape the girl and honestly believes that he did not.



Only a moron would commit the crime.

Only a moron would not understand and know whether he commited a rape.

Only a moron would defend such things.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:45 pm
@Intrepid,
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Only a moron would not understand and know whether he commited a rape.
Because not all consent is good enough, and because not everyone has the right to consent, what is rape and what is not gets to be very fuzzy. It often takes a lot of investigation from experts, and sometimes a trial, to figure it out. But the guy is expected to figure it all out on the fly, and punished with a felony charge if he gets it wrong.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Only a moron would not understand and know whether he commited a rape.
Because not all consent is good enough, and because not everyone has the right to consent, what is rape and what is not gets to be very fuzzy. It often takes a lot of investigation from experts, and sometimes a trial, to figure it out. But the guy is expected to figure it all out on the fly, and punished with a felony charge if he gets it wrong.
Any MAN WITH A CONSCIENCE knows when he has raped a woman either using verbal force or physical force. Is that clear enough?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
If one thinks it MAY be considered rape. DON'T DO IT!

Even a moron could figure that out.

Again, you are so predictable and shallow.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:08 pm
@BillRM,
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Come to think of it the fairly heavy drinking I am prone to do...


And all that heavy drinking is certainly doing a great job shrinking your brain and destroying your cognitive and intellectual functions. You are barely intelligible at this point. Language functions are often the first to begin to go with the onset of dementia.

Not that you were ever well endowed in the first place...Laughing
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Because not all consent is good enough, and because not everyone has the right to consent, what is rape and what is not gets to be very fuzzy.


Those who cannot legally consent have not given consent.

A woman who says, "No" is not consenting.

Rape is unwanted sexual contact.

You can always ask her whether she wants you to stop. If you have any doubt about whether she is willing, you should stop.

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what is rape and what is not gets to be very fuzzy


Only for a man who is more caught up in how to take advantage of the woman than how to communicate with her and find out what she does and does not want.

You can't tell the difference between a willing, active, participating partner and someone who is resisting, or protesting, or being coerced?

And you claim to know something about women? Laughing

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
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No self respecting man is going to admitt to being raped by a woman much less report it...


Do you think it is less degrading for a woman to have to admit to being raped, and to have to report it. Or, is rape something that women should just take in stride, while for men it would be a real humiliation?

Nothing like a good old sexist double standard.

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women get themselves drunk and then claim rape by intoxication


Rape by intoxication? The woman was raped simply by the act of being intoxicated?

Women are raped by rapists. No matter how drunk the woman is, that does not excuse the act of rape or absolve the rapist of responsibility for his behavior. No matter how drunk the man is, that does not excuse his behavior when he rapes a woman.

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:41 pm
@Arella Mae,
Great info about drugs and rape, Arella Mae. I am reading through all of it.
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