Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Intrepid,

With Bill on ignore it's hard for me to understand the stuff of his I see in quotes. Wait, anything of his I see, I don't understand. Laughing

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@Arella Mae,

What a horror that child went through. What a story of survival.

And idiots, like BillRM and Hawkeye, seem to think that this topic is a joking matter, or whimper incessantly that poor men are victimized by rape laws or false accusations. Neither of them has any capacity for empathy or any respect for women. Two inadequate, angry men who are trying to spew their anti-female venom by posting anonymously on an A2K thread. Two losers who don't even realize what fools they make of themselves and how much derision they elicit from those who read their comments.

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@firefly,

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If she is drunk, she cannot legally give consent, and sex in such situations is rape.

I would assume also by your logic if a non-drinking woman had sex with her male drinking partner that you would have no problem of any kind with turning that around and sending her to prison for 20 to life at his whim after the fact of sexual intercourse?

After all, in this PC day and time we are supposed to be sex neutral in our laws.

In any case, I do not agree that a man have some responsibility to be a guardian to his sexual partner anymore then a woman had that responsibility to her male partner.

In the UK women groups are now crying about the fact that the law does not now allow women to cry rape after the fact and in many US states that is still the case also.

Secondary comment unless you can get all males off rape juries I do not see too many convictions for after the fact rape at the women whim anywhere.

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@firefly,

I am trying to find the story of this one girl. I think I mentioned it somewhere earlier in the thread. Truly she is a miracle after what she went through. I will post it if I can find it. Even if I did post it before, it's well worth a second read.

I take it Hawkeye has never commented on my challenge? I would love to know what he thinks about men being raped in prison and how he will justify the rapists in those cases.

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If this doesn't anger and incense you, nothing will:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=79&art_id=vn20040601032533649C325550&set_id=1

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He says he has forgotten, but the country never will. The man accused of the depraved rape of a child says he cannot recollect it.

But her horrified parents will never forget finding their daughter, named Lerato by the media, with her intestines hanging out from her private parts.

Police ignored her father's report that his little girl - six-years-old at the time of the attack in September 2002 - had been kidnapped. They left it to him and others to find her.

Her rapist had assaulted her so viciously her intestines bulged out of her tiny body, before he abandoned her in Alexandra.

Men that do such things are not men. They are evil monsters.

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@Arella Mae,

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If this doesn't anger and incense you, nothing will:

Men that do such things are not men. They are evil monsters.

Agree with both statements now does this thread had a purpose other then to incense people with stories of evils?

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@BillRM,

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In any case, I do not agree that a man have some responsibility to be a guardian to his sexual partner anymore then a woman had that responsibility to her male partner.

That's why you don't understand the crime of rape. You just don't get it.

The man is responsible for his own behavior--not being a "guardian to his sexual partner". Although, any man who cared about his partner would probably want to be protective of her, just as she would want to protect him. That's what people do when they care about each other--but I wouldn't expect you to know about such things since you do not speak of "caring" when you talk about relationships.

But, because a man, like all people, is legally responsible for his behavior, sexually and otherwise, if he engages in sex without the woman's consent, he is committing rape.

That's very simple, even for someone as dense as you are.

If she is drunk, he doesn't have legal consent. If he has sex with her, that is rape.

If you leave the door to your house wide open when you go out, and someone, without your consent, enters your home and steals your property, would you want him arrested? Suppose he claims you "invited him in" by leaving your door open. Should that mean he isn't considered a thief or burglar? Is he entitled to keep your property? If the police pick him up, would you want him charged with entering your home and taking your property without your consent?

If you haven't given consent to someone to take your property, they are stealing it from you. If a woman hasn't given a man consent to have sex with her, he is raping her.

If a man is unsure whether he has a woman's clear, conscious consent, he should refrain from having sex with her, and this is his responsibility.

Only the rapist is responsible for the rape.

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@firefly,

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If she is drunk, he doesn't have legal consent. If he has sex with her, that is rape.

So this will also work in reverse if a woman had sex with a drunken man, at his whim after the fact we are going to be sending her to prison for rape?

I can not wait to hear your reply to that question LOL.

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@BillRM,

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Agree with both statements now does this thread had a purpose other then to incense people with stories of evils?

Why, do rape horror stories bore you?

If you don't like confronting the violence, and horror, and profound violation involved in the crime of rape, then please leave this thread.

We have been discussing rape, in all of its manifestations, throughout this thread. That's what the thread is about--rape and rape victims. That is the purpose of this thread.

People should be incensed about the crime of rape, and the fact that rapists too often escape punishment.

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@BillRM,

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So this will also work in reverse if a woman had sex with a drunken man, at his whim after the fact we are going to be sending her to prison for rape?

If a woman forces a man to have sex against his will she could certainly be charged with rape. If he was too drunk to legally consent, she would be committing rape.

I understand the rape laws--you don't.

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From today's news, two rape stories...

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Robbery Victim Fights Off Rapist
Published : Tuesday, 07 Sep 2010, 11:35 AM CDT

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Memphis Police arrested the suspect in a home invasion and rape incident after one of the victims fought back.

Officers stated that 18-year old Danail Stokes approached a man as he was walking up to the front door of a home and forced his way inside. Two women were also inside the residence. Stokes held up the victims and demanded money and belongings, then set down his gun as he raped one of the female victims. The man grabbed the gun and fought off Stokes, who then fled the scene.

Police apprehended Stokes a short time later.

Stokes was charged with Aggravated Rape and Aggravated Robbery. He is currently being held at the Shelby County Jail
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/090710-robbery-victim-fights-off-rapist

And, in another part of the world...

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Teenage girl dies trying to escape rapist
Barry Bateman | 4 Hours Ago

A Pretoria woman has described to Eyewitness News how her younger sister died in a frantic bid to escape a rapist who had abducted the teenager and her friend at gunpoint.

Henriette Farmer said 14-year-old Lazanne died on Sunday when she tried to call for help as they were driving through Kwaggasrand. She apparently broke her neck when she jumped out of the suspect’s bakkie.

“She removed her blindfold. She got excited, started screaming for help and banged the windows. The door opened and she jumped out,” Farmer explained.

The man did not stop. He left the teenager on the tar and drove her 16-year-old friend to a remote spot in the west of Pretoria on the R511 where he raped her. She was left there, but walked to a garage and called for help.

Police are searching for a man in his late 20s with blue eyes, who donned a wig and used a gun to force Farmer and her friend into his white bakkie in Elandspoort.

The police’s Dumisani Ndlazi said police will begin investigations into the matter and has appealed to the public to come forward with information.
(Edited by Deshnee Subramany)
http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=47942

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The absolute fear that child must have felt. He knew one girl probably lay dead and yet he continued to rape another. I know there are people in this world that have no conscience but it is not something that I have been able to comprehend. The only way such things can be described is it is pure evil. I have heard burglars say that if they want to rob you, nothing is going to stop them. I would say it is the same concerning rapists. It seems even if we take great efforts to be safe and protect ourselves there are still those out there that can thwart our efforts.

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@firefly,

Lord, I just cannot wait for a woman to be charge with raping her date because he was too drunk to give consent! The laws would be changing one second after some woman face such charges.

Yes, you do indeed understand the rape laws and thank to some women anti-male pressure groups they had become completely insane in some regards at least in some states.

The only reason they had as yet not collapse of their own silliness is that most prosecutors and police officers used good judgment in applying them in the real world.

Still it is not a happy thing that men freedoms depend on not the law as written but on the good faith and common sense of the law enforcement with the backup of jury nullification.

That poor West Point Cadet needed to go though a complete full scale court-martial because of a silly young woman regret at losing her virginity before being clear.

It not even safe to be sound asleep in your own bed if there is a drunken horny woman around.

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Below is a Lawyer comment on the subject of lack of consent due to drinking.

http://www.falserape.net/stevens_commentary.html

RICHARD V. STEVENS, Esquire
LAW OFFICE OF RICHARD V. STEVENS, P.L.L.C.
P.O. Box 31553
Alexandria, VA 22310
Phone: (703) 798-3064
Fax: (703) 997-1367
E-Mail: [email protected]
Web: www.militaryadvocate.com

The law regarding lack of consent due to alcohol consumption is that an intoxicated person is only incapable of consenting if that person is so intoxicated that he/she is unconscious or is incapable of understanding the (sexual) act, its motive, and its possible consequences. (See DA PAM 27-9). Simply drinking alcohol or being in some state of intoxication does not amount to inability to consent.

Stated another way, an intoxicated woman can engage in consensual sex so long as she is able to understand the act, its motive and its consequences. Lack of inhibition or judgment due to alcohol consumption does not equate to lack of ability to consent. A woman who would not have had sex with a particular man if she had been completely sober, and using her sober judgment, has not necessarily been raped if she has sex with that same man when intoxicated. Morning after regrets are not tantamount to rape. A woman who doesn t remember consenting, or who has experienced alcohol-induced memory blackout of portions of a sexual encounter, has not necessarily been raped or assaulted by virtue of her alcohol-induced memory problems. Despite the politically correct messages perpetuated by the press and television talk shows, if a drunk young man and a drunk young woman have sex, the young woman is not automatically a victim and the young man a criminal. The only time that alcohol consumption equates to lack of consent is if the alleged victim is so drunk that he/she meets the definition above which is an extreme state of intoxication rendering the person incompetent.

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@BillRM,

Be sure to call that lawyer if you are charged with rape. However, don't count on his being able to get you off. That is a promotional statement by him to get business--just like his statement about false allegations. If I were you, I'd keep his number handy.

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@firefly,

I would think a man that is too intoxicated to give consent is also going to be too intoxicated to "rise to the occasion" if you get my drift?

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@Arella Mae,

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I would think a man that is too intoxicated to give consent is also going to be too intoxicated to "rise to the occasion" if you get my drift?

Sorry but in my research on the subject and my own performed as a young man that is not true at all.

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It would seem science agrees with me about alcohol and sexual dysfunction.

http://sexualdysfunction.sexualhealthsimplified.com/The_effects_of_alcohol/TextItem/4052_3365_0_341.aspx

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The effects of alcohol
…the sexual response
People often associate alcohol with sexual activity. Many people believe that alcohol is an aphrodisiac, so while intoxicated they feel sexual. While it has been proven that both male and female drinkers feel less inhibited about sex when they drink, it has also been proven that alcohol consumption actually reduces physiological arousal - it also decreases pleasure, increases difficulty in reaching orgasm, and reduces intensity of orgasms. Shakespeare pretty much summed it up when he said in Macbeth, "alcohol provokes the desire but takes away the performance."

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@firefly,

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That is a promotional statement by him to get business--just like his statement about false allegations. If I were you, I'd keep his number handy.

Sorry but my others research I been doing tend to support his statements even if some state courts decisions of late is going the other way.

Second as far as his ability of getting me off such a charge happily my age, marital status and my life style of not going out to do heavy drinking except in Cancun Mexico when we are on an all you can drink and eat plan place me in a very low risk group for such silliness.

The poor young men of college age are the ones with a target on their back for any unstable female to aim at.

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@Arella Mae,

Sorry dear but as a young man the word sexual dysfunction was not in my dictionary or in the dictionary of any 20s years old health male for that matter.

The fact you do not know that is interesting in a way.

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