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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 11:25 am
I have mixed feelings about denying convicted sex offenders employment simply based on background checks. I'm not sure we should want all of these people to wind up destitute or homeless.

It depends on the nature of the crimes they have committed, and the type of employment situation they would be in and who they would be exposed to.

For the Gulf oil spill beach cleanup they needed to hire a lot of temporary workers fast to do an unskilled outdoor job in rather hot weather conditions. They were probably looking for anyone who was breathing and willing to work. Likely, they didn't think background checks were necessary because these people weren't coming into much contact with the public while doing their job, and the job did not require any particular skills. Local law enforcement really felt the checks should be done, because all these people were flooding into the area and would have contact with others when they weren't working. They could be hiring drug dealers, etc. So, it was sloppy, and foolish, that these background checks were not done.

But, had they checked the criminal background of this man, they would not have found any sexual assaults against adult women.

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Robertson has a criminal history dating back to 1991, according to police records. He was put on the national sex offender registry for a 1996 conviction for contributing to the delinquency of a minor in Louisiana. He is also on probation after being convicted in 2003 in Georgia for cruelty to children.


I'm not sure that his criminal record, including that charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, would have, or should have, stopped them from hiring him to supervise picking up pieces of oil an a beach. I wouldn't hire him as a janitor in a school, but I'm not sure that BP, or its sub-contractors, would have been wrong to hire him, even if they did a background check and knew about his sex offender status.

But BP's failure was only part of the problem, The man hadn't registered as a sex offender with local law enforcement when he came into the area. So, local police didn't know he was around either.

Suppose BP had done a background check, knew about his sex offender status, but decided to hire him anyway, considering him not to be a threat in that employment situation. Let's suppose he also registered with the local police as a sex offender, so they knew he was in the area. Would any of this have realistically prevented that rape?

You can't assume that someone isn't a rapist, or a potential rapist, just because they are a co-worker. Most women do not keep checking the registry of sex offenders as Brooke does (although it's a great idea to do that). Women are probably more concerned about checking these lists to protect their children from predators than to protect themselves. So, the woman in this situation, was a normally trusting person. She worked with the man, he drove her home when she wasn't feeling well, and he asked to use her bathroom. There was probably no way under the sun that she could have predicted that when he came out of the bathroom that he would rape her. This seems to have been a typical acquaintance rape. This man may have done this sort of thing before, but it might not have been reported, since many rapes like that do go unreported.

So, short of not hiring this man, so the woman would never have met him, I'm not sure that BP, or even the police, could have protected this woman from being raped by this man. I don't see where anyone bears any real responsibility for the rape, except the rapist.

I think background checks should be done. I'm not against that. I think convicted sex offenders should have to register with the police when they are staying in an area. But those measures really don't protect women very much. I'm not sure they protect children that much either. They may be all that we can do, but they don't really offer potential victims much protection. And there are many sex offenders and rapists who have never been caught, or had their crimes reported, so they are all out there too. And a woman is liable to be raped, in almost any situation, no matter how careful she is. All she has to do is appear vulnerable or be alone with the guy long enough to be raped.

I guess what bothered me about this case, apart from the fact that the poor woman was raped, was all the finger pointing and the obvious run-up to a lawsuit from this woman. With all the talk in that news article, about who was responsible, or negligent, the alleged rapist, who actually committed the act, seems to get lost in the shuffle.

I don't care if the woman wants to sue BP, or the sub contractors, that's up to her. But I'd rather the news stories focused a little more on how any woman can easily wind up getting raped by someone she knows, in this instance through work. This wasn't a stranger rape, it wasn't a date rape, but it was an acquaintance rape scenario which might happen to a lot of women, and perhaps they should be better alerted to its possibility. Most women aren't as diligent as Brooke in checking men out. And the woman in this case really had little or no reason to check the man out. She was only working with him, and that was in a public place. She may never have expected to ever find herself alone with him.

I guess this thread has really made me so aware of the widespread problem of rape I just want to see all women warned that it could happen just about anywhere with anyone. Rapists don't wear signs announcing their intent. And I'd like potential jurors to hear that too. Women, even careful women, can be the victims of rape.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 11:31 am
Thank god in the 50s when I was playing show and tell or doctor with Peggy a little neighbor girl we did not live in such an insane society that would turn such an innocence part of childhood into a sex crime.
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Supervision order for 11-year-old boys convicted of attempting to rape girl, 8Pair spared custody but put on offender register amid criticism over decision to hear trial in adult court
(19)Tweet this (39)Helen Pidd and Sam Jones guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 18 August 2010 20.58 BST Article historyTwo 11-year-old boys found guilty of attempting to rape an eight-year-old girl were spared custody today after a judge ruled they did not realise the severity of their crime. The pair were instead given a three-year supervision order that will see them rehabilitated in their communities under the watch of probation, police and social services.

The boys are among the youngest people on the sex offenders register after their conviction at the Old Bailey in May.

They were 10 last October when they tried to assault the girl on their housing estate in west London in an incident described by one of their barristers as "a game called show me yours and I will show you mine".

A jury acquitted them of two charges of rape but found them guilty of attempted sexual assault.

Today, Mr Justice Saunders ruled the boys should stay on the register for two and a half years, but said their mothers could sign it and notify the authorities of their children's whereabouts.

Both women were also given a one-year parenting order, which usually requires parents to attend counselling and guidance sessions.

Wearing a suit instead of a wig and gown, the judge told the boys: "I do not accept that what happened was a game but I do accept that you did not realise how serious what you were doing was."

But he said a custodial sentence would be "counterproductive" and not in the best interests of the boys.

The decision to try the children in an adult court was heavily criticised by children's campaigners.

The older boy's barrister described today how he had been affected by his experience in the criminal justice system. "He has probably suffered more than any adult that has gone through this process, simply because of his age," said Chetna Patel.

"For a 10-year-old to be taken to a police station for 24 hours is a terrifying experience. And no matter how much your lordship tried to make this an undaunting experience, it is still the central criminal court and it still daunted [him].

The boys, who had been told in advance that they would not be jailed, smiled shyly as they entered the courtroom at the start of today's brief hearing.

Unlike in a normal crown court case, they did not have to sit behind the glass of the dock. Instead they sat behind their barristers.

After sentencing, the older boy was led out of court holding his mother's hand, while the other was left to walk out on his own as his mother trailed behind.

During the trial, the jury was shown a recorded interview in which the girl played with a teddy bear while telling police officers how the boys had exposed themselves, pulled down her pants and raped her.

The girl's story changed when she was cross-examined via videolink. She said she had lied to her mother because she had been "naughty" and was worried she would not get any sweets.

But the judge refused to throw out the case, saying it was up to the jury to decide whether as a witness she could be trusted.

After the sentencing, Saunders said lessons needed to learned about "how best to receive the evidence of very young children" to ensure both a fair trial and also the welfare of the witness.

The judge is compiling a report about the case to submit to the lord chief justice, the most senior judge in England and Wales, who has the ear of cabinet ministers. "That is not to indicate that there is anything wrong, but we should do everything we can to improve how we deal with these things by looking at the lessons that we can learn," said Saunders.

His view was echoed at the court of appeal last month, where the boys lost their bid to overturn their convictions.

Lord Justice Hughes spoke of the "dismay" that three such young children should take part in a crown court trial, adding that there was concern about the effect of a "publicly staged trial in this arena on the ability of a little girl to move on with her life".

But yesterday the Ministry of Justice said: "The government has no plan to raise the age of criminal responsibility as we believe children aged 10 are able to weigh up right and wrong in the same way that older children or adults can."


Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 04:17 pm
@firefly,
Check out this link. Look at the increase in forcible rape:

1960 - 17,190 Forcible Rapes in the US
2008 - 89,000 Forcible Rapes in the US

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 09:50 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Wearing a suit instead of a wig and gown, the judge told the boys: "I do not accept that what happened was a game but I do accept that you did not realise how serious what you were doing was."

His view was echoed at the court of appeal last month, where the boys lost their bid to overturn their convictions.

But yesterday the Ministry of Justice said: "The government has no plan to raise the age of criminal responsibility as we believe children aged 10 are able to weigh up right and wrong in the same way that older children or adults can."



Other than one defense attorney, who tried unsuccessfully to convince jurors that these boys were playing a game of "you show me yours and I'll show you mine", in an attempt to get the boy acquitted, everyone else connected to this case felt that these children committed attempted rape

It is also likely that the little girl's initial story, of a rape, was true, but the child may have become rattled under cross-examination, or she may have been made to feel guilty about accusing the boys, even though she might have been telling the truth about what they did to her, and that was why she recanted her original version of what happened. Why would an eight year old fabricate a rape scenario--how would she even know about such things, unless this was what she actually experienced. That may be why an eight year old cannot be subjected to the same type of repetitive questioning, and cross-examination that adults are put through. That is likely why Justice Saunders made this remark
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After the sentencing, Saunders said lessons needed to learned about "how best to receive the evidence of very young children" to ensure both a fair trial and also the welfare of the witness


You seem alone in your view that this was a game and not a sex crime. A Justice, a jury, and an appeals court have all regarded this as a sex crime. Of course, all of those people are crazy, and only you are right.

You should be more alarmed that such young children could commit a sex crime of that nature. And I also posted the case of a gang rape committed by a group of boys, some of whom were also as young as 9 or 10. These are not children's games. These are children who commit sex crimes of an adult nature.
Whether they should be tried in adult courts, and how they should be punished, are worthy issues to debate, but I am not sure that we can, or should, minimize the nature of their sexual offenses. These children are committing crimes.

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Caroline
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 10:00 pm
Women don't ask to be raped. Saying she was leading me on, drunk, wearing a short skirt etc does not excuse a man that cannot refrain from this brutal violation. People who blame the woman are worse than the rapists themselves and probably are the type to violate a woman. Most men can control themselves and have respect for women. These other monsters need locking up and throw away the key, job done so get off with blaming the woman, why do you do it? Because you're a monster yourself.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 10:08 pm
@Arella Mae,
Those are incredible statistics, Arella Mae, and the increase is very disturbing.

Almost every day in the news there are one or more stories of a forcible rape.

I read about this one yesterday...

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Female Parks Department employee raped at Brooklyn playground as cops search for assailant
BY Ryan Strong and Jonathan Lemire
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Updated: Thursday, August 19th 2010, 12:19 PM

A Parks Department employee was raped at knifepoint on Thursday inside a bathroom at a Brooklyn playground, police said.

The female worker was cleaning the women's bathroom inside St. Andrew's Playground in Bedford-Stuyvesant when she was attacked around 9:30 a.m., police said.

Investigators believe the suspect forced the 29-year-old woman to the back of the rest room where her cries for help could not be heard.

She was struck in the head and knocked to the concrete floor during the brazen daylight assault, as children played outside, police said. After the attack, someone knocked on the bathroom door and the rapist ran out. Then he hopped on a bicycle and pedaled away...

Emergency workers took her to Kings County Hospital. She suffered cuts to the head and body and was in stable condition, police said.

Word of the assault rattled many parkgoers.

"I may not come back here until they find him," said Stephanie Coleman, a 21-year-old student. "If they catch him, fine. If not, I would rather go somewhere else."

Toni Porter, 27, agreed.

"It really makes me think twice about coming here," she said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/08/19/2010-08-19_female_parks_department_employee_attacked_at_brooklyn_playground_cops_searching_.html


This one I read today..

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20 August 2010
Luton rapist attacked two women after jail release

A 44-year-old man convicted of raping two women in Bedfordshire had only recently left prison following a six-year sentence for the same offence.

Cyril Donovan Brown, of Lyndhurst Road, Luton, was violent and controlling towards women who refused him sex.

Brown claimed at Luton Crown Court he was having affairs with 15 women at the same time and denied he was violent to them.

He was convicted of eight charges of rape and three of assault.

Judge Barbara Mensah said she was considering passing an indefinite sentence because of the risk he poses to women.

She ordered a psychiatric report and said: "In my opinion he displays delusional behaviour."

Prosecutor Isabel Delamere said in December 2008, Brown met a 51-year-old woman in Luton with mental health problems.

She said he moved into her flat uninvited and demanded sex every day even though she said "no".

Police arrested him but he was released on bail and by July was seeing another woman who lived in Aylesbury.

One day he punched her when they were in her car and she reported him to police.

He was arrested for that matter and said it was she who had tried to beat him up because she was jealous.

He was granted bail again with a condition that he did not contact her.

They attempted a reconciliation and arranged to collect some of her belongings from his flat.

"No sooner had she got there than he locked the door and snatched her phone.

"Over three days she felt like his sex slave. If she refused he punched and strangled her," said Miss Delamere.

Brown, who was convicted in 2004 of raping a woman in Hertfordshire, will be sentenced in October after the preparation of reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-11043480





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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2010 10:46 pm
@Arella Mae,
Quote:
Check out this link. Look at the increase in forcible rape:

1960 - 17,190 Forcible Rapes in the US
2008 - 89,000 Forcible Rapes in the US
The boys and girls who have paid attention in class know that the definition of forcible rape has changed a great deal over this time, so the above stat is comparing apples and oranges and thus is meaningless. And most members of a2k also are bright enough to know that the population today is over double that of 1960, so they know that if you cared one iota about honesty you would be giving a per capita number.

When you put crap like this on a2k you force us to make the choice between deciding that you are stupid, or that you are dishonest. You might reconsider your actions. Firefly we already know about, she is dishonest.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 12:47 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
When you put crap like this on a2k you force us to make the choice between deciding that you are stupid, or that you are dishonest. You might reconsider your actions.


My vote Hawkeye is that she is being mainly dishonest with herself due to a strong emotional need to see the world as a very frightening place indeed.

Frankly as annoying as her willingness to turn her back on FBI or CDC or and Justice Department statistics in the pursued of her fears, you still need to feel a little sorry for her.

We should just agree with her.

Firefly on the other hand can not stand the idea that crimes such as rape is going down as that would mean her position that the sky is falling and a whole new generation of young men are being program to rape due to video games is proven nonsense.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 01:07 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
My vote Hawkeye is that she is being mainly dishonest with herself due to a strong emotional need to see the world as a very frightening place indeed.
Very possible that her behavior here is a very nice illustration on why we should not hang men based upon the feelings of women after the fact. We all know that they tend to get emotionally flooded and lose all contact with reality. Generally I like that, it makes women interesting, but hanging men based upon that is stupid. And unjust. and unfair. And cruel.

I had meant to stay away from this thread but such brazen stupidity/dishonesty after we have just spent 100 pages talking about the tricks that the rape feminists have used to push their agenda that we should no longer let them get away with brought me back.

I will now attempt to leave once again....
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 01:12 am
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In the eighteenth century, William Blackstone defined rape as "carnal knowledge of a woman forcibly and against her will" (p. 210). This definition remains in effect in many American jurisdictions, and it has provided the starting point for revisions over the years.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1932/Rape-Legal-Aspects.html


Seems to me that the definition of forcible rape hasn't changed much since the 18th cntury,
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 01:16 am
Quote:


Rape: Legal Aspects - Forcible Rape: Purpose Of The Law

Modern rape laws are conceived primarily as a means to protect women and men against physical harm, emotional injury, and interference with sexual autonomy (the right to choose the circumstances of sexual intimacy). Historically, the purposes of rape law were more limited, and the law's coverage was narrow. Rape law was long concerned, for example, with protecting the chastity of women. In practice, sexually experienced victims received far less protection, and the law often endorsed that perspective, for example, in its preoccupation at trial with evidence of a woman's prior sexual history.

In addition, rape law traditionally focused on protecting property-like interests of men—the interest of a father in the virginity (and thus the marriagability) of his daughter and the interest of a husband in exclusive sexual access to his wife. Thus, rape law did not apply when a woman was forced to have sex with her husband. Vestiges of these narrow conceptions of the law's purpose may survive today and may partially explain resistance to shedding traditional limits on the coverage of the offense.


The common complaint that rape law was (and perhaps still is) unfair to women is, at first glance, somewhat surprising because rape law traditionally protected only women; it afforded no protection at all to male victims of sexual assault. In what sense, then, is it plausible to think of rape law as discriminating against women?

Several points must be noted. First, the protection afforded to women was traditionally hedged with evidentiary restrictions unknown in other offenses. Second, rape law as traditionally administered provided fully effective protection only to certain women—those who dressed modestly, behaved properly, and did nothing to invite a sexual advance. By offering its primary protection only to such women, the law in effect favored (and perhaps still favors) some women over others.

This last feature of the law, moreover, arguably discriminates against all women, in that it may channel women into certain patterns of behavior and thus deny all women the freedom to choose a fully independent life. A nondiscriminatory law of rape arguably should protect the right of all persons, women and men, to freely choose the circumstances of sexual intimacy, without withholding protection from those who drink, walk alone at night, talk to strangers, or lead unconventional lives.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1925/Rape-Legal-Aspects-Forcible-rape-purpose-law.html

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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 01:20 am
Quote:

Rape: Legal Aspects - Forcible Rape: Punishment


At common law, rape, like all felonies, was punishable by death. By the early twentieth century, most American states had reserved the death penalty for cases of first-degree murder, but a substantial minority, primarily southern states, continued to authorize capital punishment for rape. There was intense concern, however, about racial discrimination, as the overwhelming majority of defendants executed for rape were black men accused of raping white women. Those concerns were in the background, though unmentioned, when the Supreme Court ruled capital punishment for the rape of an adult woman unconstitutional, on the ground that death was a penalty disproportionate to the severity of the offense (Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977)).

Where not subject to capital punishment, rape was typically punishable by long prison terms, including life imprisonment. In the 1950s reformers saw these severe penalties as an obstacle to effective enforcement. In date-rape situations and cases involving only implicit threats, juries often acquitted, or prosecutors refused to file charges, partly out of concern that authorized penalties were disproportionately severe. To combat this problem, the Model Penal Code recommended dividing rape into several distinct offenses, with the more severe penalties reserved for cases involving strangers and extreme forms of force. Today many states follow this approach, and many continue to authorize life imprisonment for the highest degree of rape.
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1926/Rape-Legal-Aspects-Forcible-rape-punishment.html




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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 01:39 am
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Rape: Legal Aspects - Forcible Rape: Enforcement Concerns


Specific legal doctrines were only one of the impediments to effectively protecting women from rape. Even in cases that met the legal definition of the offense, victims often refused to report it, fearful that officials would humiliate them and that the offender would avoid punishment in any event. In the relatively few cases in which a complaint was filed, police and prosecutors often ruled it "unfounded" on the ground that the victim knew the assailant; waited too long to report the crime; or had been drinking, hitchhiking, or wearing suggestive clothing. Officials often assumed that such facts proved the victim was lying or made conviction impossible even if she was not. Juries reinforced such expectations by acquitting with some frequency when there was a suggestion of "contributory fault" by the victim.

The rape reform movement changed many components of this picture. Police and prosecutors are far more sensitive in their treatment of rape victims. Victims accordingly are less hesitant to report their rapes, prosecutors are less quick to drop charges, and juries are less easily swayed by old stereotypes. There is a general impression that enforcement problems are less serious than in the past.

Empirical studies provide only limited confirmation of this impression, however. It remains unclear whether the legal system's greater receptivity to rape complaints and intangible improvements in the courtroom atmosphere have led to concrete differences in legal outcomes.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1929/Rape-Legal-Aspects-Forcible-rape-enforcement-concerns.html









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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 02:05 am
@hawkeye10,
What I find amusing is that the behaviors of the leading men in 1950s romance comedies would now produce an outcry if anyone would dare to do remakes without heavy editing.

And in real life any man who would dream of behaving in such a manner would be send to prison.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 02:31 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
What I find amusing is that the behaviors of the leading men in 1950s romance comedies would now produce an outcry if anyone would dare to do remakes without heavy editing
Well how about the 1960's with the free love movement and the opinion that all sex is good sex? I am just old enough to remember those days so these militaristic modern feminist sex haters who want to drive us back to puritanical sex practices are just too much for me. It is ugly and overbearing and so much yuck. I half think that the real goal is to make sex so little fun and so full of fear that no one will want to do it....that would make most feminists very happy I think. No thank you, I'll take a pass, and I feel great about myself.

The good news is that most women I run across in my subculture consider themselves to be post feminists. The tend to consider the feminists to be an unnecessary burden and a threat to their sexual freedom, so they have only slightly less animosity towards them then I do. I have every confidence that as time goes on more and more women as well as men will reach the conclusion that the feminist movement has outlived its usefulness, and that it is time to kill it off.

Quote:
And in real life any man who would dream of behaving in such a manner would be send to prison.

I think you'd be surprised what real men and women choose to do, in spite of the dangers caused by all of the bull **** laws. As I have said earlier in this thread it is all so ridiculous, it is increasingly impossible to take the majority culture seriously. People do what they want and hope for the best. What it means is that it is critical to be smart about who you play with. It also means that we are in the closet, pretty much exactly like gays used to be. We know each other in the community, but we don't advertise to our vanilla friends and co-workers.

It gets a bit old....I want by freedom back.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 02:40 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
People do what they want and hope for the best. What it means is that it is critical to be smart about who you play with. It also means that we are in the closet, pretty much exactly like gays used to be. We know each other in the community, but we don't advertise to our vanilla friends and co-workers.


The problem with that is it place your freedom at some woman whim.

Hell even an eight year olds that does not wish to get in trouble with her mom can end up greatly harming her two ten years old male playmates.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 02:55 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
The problem with that is it place your freedom at some woman whim.

which can be partly protected against by being part of a community where women who act even once to target men are drummed out, because everyone is warned about her (and likewise so are abusive or irresponsible men). However, when the state takes for itself the right to remove consent after the fact it all falls apart, because we have already seen how the feminist push the conclusion that any woman who would agree to XYZ must be a victim, must have been coerced. What you get in effect is the state outlawing an activity that both parties have consented to and where no money has changed hands for no reason other than it is not desirable. It is a brand new push by the state into sexual regulation using the law.

There was not too many pages back on this thread agreement between the rape feminists here that a contract for an illegal sex act is not binding, that the endeavor is still illegal and the one labeled the perp should go to jail....this is on point for where the feminists are driving to.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 05:55 am
The following is taken from another thread that deals with the planned building of the mosque in New York City.

It just shows the hypocrisy that he is guilty of as it pertains to this thread and topic.

Hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
it is about cultural sensitivity, and about how yet another American minority group is trying to ram their agenda down the throat of the majority all while telling the majority that they should not have the right to say no. We are going to continue to see this power play from minority bullies until and unless we ever develop the balls to tell them to go **** themselves. The minority has the right and the obligation to try to make their minority view the majority view, they do not have the right to demand to get their way.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 06:40 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Check out this link. Look at the increase in forcible rape:

1960 - 17,190 Forcible Rapes in the US
2008 - 89,000 Forcible Rapes in the US
The boys and girls who have paid attention in class know that the definition of forcible rape has changed a great deal over this time, so the above stat is comparing apples and oranges and thus is meaningless. And most members of a2k also are bright enough to know that the population today is over double that of 1960, so they know that if you cared one iota about honesty you would be giving a per capita number.

When you put crap like this on a2k you force us to make the choice between deciding that you are stupid, or that you are dishonest. You might reconsider your actions. Firefly we already know about, she is dishonest.
I posted the source AND THE LINK TO IT. I didn't make it up. I can post the statistics for each state also if you would like?

I thought you and Bill left anyway? In my world you are leaving................
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2010 06:40 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Check out this link. Look at the increase in forcible rape:

1960 - 17,190 Forcible Rapes in the US
2008 - 89,000 Forcible Rapes in the US
The boys and girls who have paid attention in class know that the definition of forcible rape has changed a great deal over this time, so the above stat is comparing apples and oranges and thus is meaningless. And most members of a2k also are bright enough to know that the population today is over double that of 1960, so they know that if you cared one iota about honesty you would be giving a per capita number.

When you put crap like this on a2k you force us to make the choice between deciding that you are stupid, or that you are dishonest. You might reconsider your actions. Firefly we already know about, she is dishonest.
OH AND ON THE CHART IS SPECIFIC 'FORCIBLE RAPE."
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