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The American flag..

 
 
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 10:26 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39118 wrote:
I could careless about what other people think about my country,if they don't like than they should stop taking our aid and kiss our ass..God bless America.. if we can't stand up for America, than we have no right to be here..


I don't have a problem standing up for America. What I have a problem with is government that forgets what America stands for. It isn't America do or die.
It's people holding government and officials accountable. We did it with Spiro Agnew...we did it with Nixon and his cronies. We did it with Oliver North.
We did it with Bill Clinton..we did it with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
When government stops listening to the people that elected them into position of power over them, its' time to impeach.
We went to war with a bad bill of goods...we were lied to.
Lie to me..all bets are off. Present a plausible argument, and perhaps, I can be persuaded over to your point of view...but lie to me, and I want your head on a silver platter.
Stand up for what is right...not when America acts like an aggressor, or a bully, or a murderer. Abu Gharib is a stain on the American military, and by extension, the American people. I won't stand up for that. I won't stand up for Gitmo....not after we performed so honorably at the Nuremberg Trials.
We have lost our honor, and we have little to be proud of.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 10:28 am
@aaronssongs,
I agree Aaron

Well said in this post.


aaronssongs;39166 wrote:
I don't have a problem standing up for America. What I have a problem with is government that forgets what America stands for. It isn't America do or die.
It's people holding government and officials accountable. We did it with Spiro Agnew...we did it with Nixon and his cronies. We did it with Oliver North.
We did it with Bill Clinton..we did it with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
When government stops listening to the people that elected them into position of power over them, its' time to impeach.
We went to war with a bad bill of goods...we were lied to.
Lie to me..all bets are off. Present a plausible argument, and perhaps, I can be persuaded over to your point of view...but lie to me, and I want your head on a silver platter.
Stand up for what is right...not when America acts like an aggressor, or a bully, or a murderer. Abu Gharib is a stain on the American military, and by extension, the American people. I won't stand up for that. I won't stand up for Gitmo....not after we performed so honorably at the Nuremberg Trials.
We have lost our honor, and we have little to be proud of.
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mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 10:54 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;39166 wrote:
I don't have a problem standing up for America. What I have a problem with is government that forgets what America stands for. It isn't America do or die.
It's people holding government and officials accountable. We did it with Spiro Agnew...we did it with Nixon and his cronies. We did it with Oliver North.
We did it with Bill Clinton..we did it with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
When government stops listening to the people that elected them into position of power over them, its' time to impeach.
We went to war with a bad bill of goods...we were lied to.
Lie to me..all bets are off. Present a plausible argument, and perhaps, I can be persuaded over to your point of view...but lie to me, and I want your head on a silver platter.
Stand up for what is right...not when America acts like an aggressor, or a bully, or a murderer. Abu Gharib is a stain on the American military, and by extension, the American people. I won't stand up for that. I won't stand up for Gitmo....not after we performed so honorably at the Nuremberg Trials.
We have lost our honor, and we have little to be proud of.


So why isn't it being done with this group of God, like idiots?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 11:44 am
@mlurp,
mlurp;39177 wrote:
So why isn't it being done with this group of God, like idiots?


Because I believe most of them believe (especially Republicans) that America can do no wrong, has never done wrong, and will do no wrong. Until "they" admit that that is a fantasy, we cannot move forward.
We admitted that we, as a nation, were wrong to inter patriotic Japanese Americans, in camps, during WWII. We apologized and offered reparations.
We, begrudgingly, admitted that we were wrong for the injustices done during slavery, and "half-heartedly" apologized, but offered up no reparations...which by the way is fine with me...I want no reparations...what I want is a "level-playing" field, where people are judged on the merits, on their talents and their abilities, not on allegiances, not on ideology, not on how much butt they can kiss.
We have forgotten the art of compromise..it's the only way things get done in government. Until you are willing to settle for part of what you want, in return for giving me part of what I want, we'll go nowhere. plain and simple.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:18 pm
@mlurp,
mlurp;39177 wrote:
So why isn't it being done with this group of God, like idiots?
because of MONEY.I'LL SAY IT AGAIN MONEY".
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:23 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
Well if some of you think Bush stand for the american flag, than you not only don't know what your talking about or your out of your mind, this flag stand for the people of America..
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mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:33 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;39186 wrote:
Because I believe most of them believe (especially Republicans) that America can do no wrong, has never done wrong, and will do no wrong. Until "they" admit that that is a fantasy, we cannot move forward.
We admitted that we, as a nation, were wrong to inter patriotic Japanese Americans, in camps, during WWII. We apologized and offered reparations.
We, begrudgingly, admitted that we were wrong for the injustices done during slavery, and "half-heartedly" apologized, but offered up no reparations...which by the way is fine with me...I want no reparations...what I want is a "level-playing" field, where people are judged on the merits, on their talents and their abilities, not on allegiances, not on ideology, not on how much butt they can kiss.
We have forgotten the art of compromise..it's the only way things get done in government. Until you are willing to settle for part of what you want, in return for giving me part of what I want, we'll go nowhere. plain and simple.

Wow from today to WWII. But if that is what it takes. Hey I can live with it.
can we say Machiavellians? Because that is what your saying about this power base of people. Your mommy nor dad put the Japanese in camps. A power who at that time was a 33 degree Mason, did. he also dropped the first nuke. It is the power behind the false front called democracy.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 03:24 pm
@mlurp,
Putting japs in camps during war time...Its better to be safe than sorry..
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 08:39 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
I'm saying about what you were saying but money is what draws the greedy and those that will sell honor for 30 pieces of silver. It is the power to create money to have what you want done completed. Now that is like when a president just before being installed on January 20th is shown a film (from the shooters point of view of the Kennedy assassination) and asked now what is your agenda?

besides why is it every new president have an agenda? Why not an American agenda. Selected by the people! think about it. Ya we have our head in the sand to deep! lol
Freeman15
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 10:13 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39090 wrote:
So I take it your not an American?


I'm an American, but I don't identify myself by a flag. I identify myself through the principles of our Constitutional Republic. I don't need a flag to rally around.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 01:33 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman

I am more impressed with your logical mind every day!:headbang:
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AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 05:52 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
Now I get it..so the story is" not to believe in any thing no god, no country, no family, no damn honor....but the sad part is, I am not shock at all...
Freeman15
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 12:57 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39310 wrote:
Now I get it..so the story is" not to believe in any thing no god, no country, no family, no damn honor....but the sad part is, I am not shock at all...


Huh? How does rejection of a flag as a symbol equate to rejecting honor?

A flag is a piece of cloth, originally designed to designate military units during the days of old. Soldiers in WWII didn't fight for the flag, they fought for their country and their people. Flags are used as rally points to evoke an emotional response, usually for people who have no substance to their message. Nazi rallies and the Soviet May Day parade both used flags extensively.

Identify yourself as an American by your beliefs not by a color pattern which has been used on everything from coffee mugs to bikinis.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 01:08 pm
@wvpeach,
America First

Do you think God would be happy with your devotion to a flag? Are you serving it? Are you giving it too much importance in life? then the answer is no God is not happy with your devotion to a flag. It is a man made object, not really much more. As Freeman said everybody and everything has a flag. Gosh the Brownies have their own flag.

I have quoted what God says in the ten commandments about idol worship below and I can give you a simple question to ask yourself to see where you stand.

Have you spent more time talking and thinking about God than the USA and its flag in the last year? ...... I hope so, other wise you best check yourself.

You say you believe in God , well the bible clearly says that a Christian is not one who says they are a follower of Christs , a Christian is one who obeys the commands of God.

wvpeach;39084 [COLOR="Green" wrote:
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth, thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord they God am a jealous God , visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.[/COLOR]

No likeness of anything in the heavens , nor on the earth, nor in the water beneath . I think God pretty much covered it all when he said this mlurp. And it is not just talking about likeness of men and animals it is talking about things like crosses, and yes flags if the person is calling them sacred there is a problem.

Now I do not believe the problem comes when people fly a flag. I believe the problem comes when people become zealots about the flag, as many do. And certainly pledging allegiance to the flag goes against the commandments of God. Our allegiance is to belong to nothing but God.

So yes by all means fly a flag, and be proud of it as a American symbol. But always remember that it is just that a symbol , a piece of cloth, no reason to get carried away about it. Because the bible tells us that all Nations and creeds of man will eventually come sabbath to sabbath and worship together God and our Lord. I do not think flags of the nations will be the same ones if any at all that we have now.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:09 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;39166 wrote:
I don't have a problem standing up for America. What I have a problem with is government that forgets what America stands for. It isn't America do or die.
It's people holding government and officials accountable. We did it with Spiro Agnew...we did it with Nixon and his cronies. We did it with Oliver North.
We did it with Bill Clinton..we did it with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
When government stops listening to the people that elected them into position of power over them, its' time to impeach.
We went to war with a bad bill of goods...we were lied to.
Lie to me..all bets are off. Present a plausible argument, and perhaps, I can be persuaded over to your point of view...but lie to me, and I want your head on a silver platter.
Stand up for what is right...not when America acts like an aggressor, or a bully, or a murderer. Abu Gharib is a stain on the American military, and by extension, the American people. I won't stand up for that. I won't stand up for Gitmo....not after we performed so honorably at the Nuremberg Trials.
We have lost our honor, and we have little to be proud of.
But that the problem, your lack of honor and respect for this great nation is blame on every office holder, remember this," DC is not America, we are."
mlurp
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:36 pm
@mlurp,
Anyone care to respond to this earlier post? It was in reply to someone? :dunno:

mlurp;39274 wrote:
I'm saying about what you were saying but money is what draws the greedy and those that will sell honor for 30 pieces of silver. It is the power to create money to have what you want done completed. Now that is like when a president just before being installed on January 20th is shown a film (from the shooters point of view of the Kennedy assassination) and asked now what is your agenda?

besides why is it every new president have an agenda? Why not an American agenda. Selected by the people! think about it. Ya we have our head in the sand to deep! lol
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AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:42 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;39186 wrote:
Because I believe most of them believe (especially Republicans) that America can do no wrong, has never done wrong, and will do no wrong. Until "they" admit that that is a fantasy, we cannot move forward.
We admitted that we, as a nation, were wrong to inter patriotic Japanese Americans, in camps, during WWII. We apologized and offered reparations.
We, begrudgingly, admitted that we were wrong for the injustices done during slavery, and "half-heartedly" apologized, but offered up no reparations...which by the way is fine with me...I want no reparations...what I want is a "level-playing" field, where people are judged on the merits, on their talents and their abilities, not on allegiances, not on ideology, not on how much butt they can kiss.
We have forgotten the art of compromise..it's the only way things get done in government. Until you are willing to settle for part of what you want, in return for giving me part of what I want, we'll go nowhere. plain and simple.
May he or she without sin cast the first stone!!!
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AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:47 pm
@wvpeach,
Btw don't it state in the bible
wvpeach;39363 wrote:
America First

Do you think God would be happy with your devotion to a flag? Are you serving it? Are you giving it too much importance in life? then the answer is no God is not happy with your devotion to a flag. It is a man made object, not really much more. As Freeman said everybody and everything has a flag. Gosh the Brownies have their own flag.

I have quoted what God says in the ten commandments about idol worship below and I can give you a simple question to ask yourself to see where you stand.

Have you spent more time talking and thinking about God than the USA and its flag in the last year? ...... I hope so, other wise you best check yourself.

You say you believe in God , well the bible clearly says that a Christian is not one who says they are a follower of Christs , a Christian is one who obeys the commands of God.
Let me ask you which is more important the bible or God? please don't use god nor the bible as your weapon..God tell me and show me what he want me to know, not what someone else wants me to know..

My life is GOD,FAMILY, AND COUNTRY" in that order case close.btw isn't stated in the bible" not to judge your brother"? which you have been doing alot..
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 09:49 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39409 wrote:
But that the problem, your lack of honor and respect for this great nation is blame on every office holder, remember this," DC is not America, we are."


Excuse me...I don't disrespect this nation, that my forebears helped to build.
I hold it accountable, which is what every good and true American should do.
Why was Nixon forced to resign...because he was in danger of being impeached, because he broke the law. Why was Clinton impeached? Because he lied, under oath. Presidents, who have frailties and flaws, just like everyone else, are not "America"....America is the people and the values which we embrace ( I thought you knew)
The majority of the American people don't want this war...but the leaders of this country are not listening to the will of the people who elected them. This is not a dictatorship...this is a republic...a democracy, of the people, by the people and for the people ( Civics 101)...
And I don't know who DC is? Do you mean Washington, D.C.? If you do, no it is not "America", it is the seat of government, and our nation's capital. What did you think it was?
mlurp
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 10:19 pm
@aaronssongs,
And why hasn't Bush, been impeached? Why was he re-elected. Power higher than you know about willed it. Not the American people. And by the way before the World the President is the American people. In almost every speech Bush makes he mentioned in the name of the American (or something like that) people
 

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