@Brent cv,
jtuab225: louis farrakhan is racist, and he's not white
Mknowledge08: who is this?
jtuab225: a viewer of the forum
Mknowledge08: ok
Mknowledge08: nonBlacks cannot be racist
jtuab225: says who?
Mknowledge08: says the proper definition
Mknowledge08: racism isn't just the belief in superiority
Mknowledge08: it's the POWER to actuall enforce it
Mknowledge08: actually*
Mknowledge08: and nonwhites do not have that power to do so
jtuab225: where'd you get that definition from?
jtuab225: what about the black panthers?
Mknowledge08: it's the right one
Mknowledge08: the Black panthers were Black Nationalists
Mknowledge08: they were fed up with being treated like ****
jtuab225: and did nothing to harm whites?
Mknowledge08: they were NOT gonna be pushed around by whites
Mknowledge08: all they wanted was EQUALITY
Mknowledge08: and when you ask nicely and don't get it
Mknowledge08: you get frustrated
Mknowledge08: and to let whites know that they were serious
Mknowledge08: they unified
jtuab225: and harmed no whites in the process?
Mknowledge08: and Blacks unifying scares whites
Mknowledge08: who did they kill that was white?
jtuab225: i was asking you that question
jtuab225: did they not harm a white person in the process?
Mknowledge08: i'm not sure
jtuab225: if not, then they weren't a racist group according to your definition
Mknowledge08: but i do know that the racist and biased white media
Mknowledge08: painted an ugly picture of them
Mknowledge08: when all they wanted was equality
Mknowledge08: and no they are NOT racist by proper definition
Mknowledge08: only whites can be racist
jtuab225: "The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man," Farrakhan said in a speech last year.
Mknowledge08: show me proof
Mknowledge08: from a credible source
jtuab225: you mean from a black news media source?
Mknowledge08: no
Mknowledge08: a news media source
Mknowledge08: race has nothing to do with it
Mknowledge08: how dare u
jtuab225: the definition of racism according to
www.dictionary.com is "the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
jtuab225: or "Discrimination or prejudice based on race."
Mknowledge08: listen
Mknowledge08: racism is a lot deeper than that
Mknowledge08: institutional racism
Mknowledge08: can only be done by whites
Mknowledge08: because it is whites who are in power
Mknowledge08: in those high positions
jtuab225: there are no blacks in power in this world?
Mknowledge08: not in high positions
Mknowledge08: white men are
jtuab225: what about kofi annan
Mknowledge08: who is that
jtuab225:
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/US/9510/megamarch/10-17/notebook/
Mknowledge08: and what position do they hold
jtuab225: the quote i said earlier about farrkhan is from that website
jtuab225: kofi annan is the secretary general of the u.n.
jtuab225: i didn't say he's a racist, but he's definitely powerful
Mknowledge08: listen
Mknowledge08: compared to the number of whites that are in power
Mknowledge08: Blacks are largely outnumbered
Mknowledge08: do u understand this?
jtuab225: i do understand that
Mknowledge08: ok
Mknowledge08: and why do u think that is?
jtuab225: do you understand that there's no such thing as a biological race?
Mknowledge08: yes
Mknowledge08: race is socially constructed
jtuab225: i agree that it's harder for black men and women to gain power
jtuab225: but that's what affirmative action is for
Mknowledge08: to LEVEL the playing field
Mknowledge08: and white women benefit the most from it
Mknowledge08: 80%
jtuab225: 80% what
Mknowledge08: when u look at who benefits
Mknowledge08: white women are the majority
Mknowledge08: they benefit more than anyone else
jtuab225: everyone that's not a white male benefits to some extent
Mknowledge08: no
Mknowledge08: no one has more priviledges than white males
Mknowledge08: white males are at the top
Mknowledge08: they have the most power
jtuab225: in affirmative action, yes
Mknowledge08: socially, economically, and politically
Mknowledge08: no
Mknowledge08: AA
Mknowledge08: is simply leveling the playing field
Mknowledge08: they take two applications
Mknowledge08: and weigh them equally
Mknowledge08: it is not some
Mknowledge08: freebie
Mknowledge08: it is painted to be one
Mknowledge08: but it is not
Mknowledge08: and realize
Mknowledge08: that it WOULDN'T be needed
Mknowledge08: if business owners simply hired the most qualified
Mknowledge08: do u understand what i'm saying?
jtuab225: i understand what you're saying
jtuab225: explain to me why i can walk into a post office in a predominately white town and find nothing but black staff members
Mknowledge08: do u know the hiring policies?
jtuab225: black WOMEN staff members
Mknowledge08: is there something wrong with that?
jtuab225: i don't know the specifics, but i know they use "affirmative action"
Mknowledge08: are u sure about that?
jtuab225: there's nothing wrong with it
jtuab225: i am
Mknowledge08: ok
Mknowledge08: so why did u bring it up?
Mknowledge08: are there not supposed to be Black workers
Mknowledge08: in a predom white neighhborhood?
jtuab225: because i was illustrating how affirmative action benefits minorities
Mknowledge08: but
Mknowledge08: i doubt u have proof
Mknowledge08: that it was simply and only AA that got them there
jtuab225: postal workers have very stable jobs
Mknowledge08: seems like u are assuming
jtuab225: seems like you are unreasonable
Mknowledge08: there ARE Blacks who have jobs without it
Mknowledge08: no i'm not reasonable
Mknowledge08: i'm just tryna understand why you're saying what you're saying
jtuab225: why are you questioning how i feel about blacks?
jtuab225: i've not said a racist thing in this conversation as far as i can tell
jtuab225: i'm certainly not enforcing my racism
Mknowledge08: you brought up AA
Mknowledge08: and then u bring up Black workers
Mknowledge08: and assumed that they are there because of AA
jtuab225: i want to know why that in a population that is only 12% black, colleges are judged by how many black staff members they have
jtuab225: and their reputation is degraded if they don't have enough
Mknowledge08: what are u talking about
jtuab225: if you look at most of the staffs, it's probably representative of the amount of educated black citizens there are in this country
jtuab225: i'm saying that it's not racism, it's simply proportional
Mknowledge08: what are u talking about
Mknowledge08: u completely lost me
jtuab225:
Mknowledge08: there ARE Blacks who have jobs without it
Mknowledge08: yes
jtuab225: ok, i was telling you about some
jtuab225: is it not unfair that college football staffs are graded according to how many black staff members they have?
Mknowledge08: listen
jtuab225: they often give special consideration to potential black staff members in order to keep their grade up
jtuab225: i'm listening
Mknowledge08: the reaosn for that
jtuab225: and by the way, that's discrimination
Mknowledge08: is due to the blantant racism back in the day
Mknowledge08: no it isn't
Mknowledge08: it's giving more opportunity to Blacks now
Mknowledge08: because Blacks before didn't have that opportunity
Mknowledge08: do u understand?
jtuab225: i do
jtuab225: but you were probably not denied those opportunities
jtuab225: ok
jtuab225:
www.dictionary.com again
jtuab225: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice
Mknowledge08: i am denied many opportunities
jtuab225: that's discrimination
Mknowledge08: as a Black person
Mknowledge08: and as a woman
jtuab225: specific example?
Mknowledge08: i am judged automatically
Mknowledge08: negatively
Mknowledge08: due to my skin color
Mknowledge08: a specific example of this
Mknowledge08: i go shopping
Mknowledge08: and i am literally stared at
Mknowledge08: because they believe i'm going to steal
Mknowledge08: why do they think that?
Mknowledge08: because I'm Black
jtuab225: they stereotype you
jtuab225: and i'm sorry
jtuab225: i can't help that
Mknowledge08: they prejudge me
Mknowledge08: yes u can
jtuab225: how can i?
jtuab225: i don't do it
Mknowledge08: but u keep it in place
Mknowledge08: by doing nothing to prevent it
Mknowledge08: the system of racism
Mknowledge08: is not a good one
jtuab225: when i'm at work (in retail), i don't stare at black customers to watch what they pick up
Mknowledge08: racism needs to end
jtuab225: racism does need to end
Mknowledge08: if u are ahite
Mknowledge08: white*
Mknowledge08: and u are doing nothing to end racism
Mknowledge08: u are helping to maintain it
Mknowledge08: think of it has a moving walkway
Mknowledge08: like they have in airports
Mknowledge08: you're standing on it and it's moving
jtuab225: how am i helping to maintain it?
Mknowledge08: if u are not running in the opposite direction
Mknowledge08: you are just moving right along with it
jtuab225: by not talking down to every single person i see that may be looking at someone in a weird manner
Mknowledge08: there are organiaztions you can join
Mknowledge08: that are anti racism
Mknowledge08: you can educate yourself on the system of racism
Mknowledge08: to know specifically how it affects nonwhites
Mknowledge08: and how it benefits whites
jtuab225: do i have to join an organization to be anti-racism?
Mknowledge08: you have to be doing some kind of action
Mknowledge08: that works AGAINST racism yes
Mknowledge08: how else will it end?
Mknowledge08: if no one does anything?
jtuab225: it will end when people stop treating it as an issue
Mknowledge08: it IS an issue
jtuab225: it's a movement that is based at the individual level
Mknowledge08: a very important one
Mknowledge08: it's gonna take a mass movement
Mknowledge08: many people have to change
jtuab225: but it's an individual decision
Mknowledge08: yes
jtuab225: i can't make someone not be racist
Mknowledge08: yes u can
jtuab225: how?
Mknowledge08: by educating them
jtuab225: punching them in the face?
Mknowledge08: on the system of racism
Mknowledge08: no
Mknowledge08: violence is not the way
jtuab225: i know it's not, it was a joke
Mknowledge08: ok
Mknowledge08: do u know how the system of racism works?
jtuab225: apparently not
Mknowledge08: do you know how you benefit from it
Mknowledge08: ok i can tell u
jtuab225: i don't intentionally benefit from it
jtuab225: i'm trying to make it in this world just like everyone else is
Mknowledge08: but u need to realize
Mknowledge08: that
Mknowledge08: you have white priviledge
Mknowledge08: it is given to you simply based on you being white
Mknowledge08: and whether you realize u have it or not
Mknowledge08: doesn't mean it isn't there
Mknowledge08: and doesn't mean you aren't using it to your advantage
jtuab225: i know something that would help stop racism
jtuab225: i honestly believe that it would
Mknowledge08: what is it
jtuab225: stop welfare abuse
Mknowledge08: no
jtuab225: i know it occurs with whites also
Mknowledge08: no
jtuab225: no, listen to me
Mknowledge08: that is not the way
Mknowledge08: ok
jtuab225: but when i see someone pull up to a welfare office in their caprice with $5000 rims, $1000 paint job, and $500 worth of stereo equipment, i can't take them seriously
Mknowledge08: you sound just like ronald reagan
jtuab225: if they wanted a change, they would have invested the money into something different
Mknowledge08: ok
jtuab225: i honestly believe that
jtuab225: but maybe that's just me being racist
Mknowledge08: you do realize that you are blaming the victim?
jtuab225: how are they the victim?
Mknowledge08: this society
Mknowledge08: does not give nonwhites the same opportunites as whites
Mknowledge08: suburbs were made
Mknowledge08: especially for whites
Mknowledge08: and the govt.
Mknowledge08: paid for it
Mknowledge08: and the homes
Mknowledge08: whites only had to pay 10-20%
Mknowledge08: do u realize what a boost that is?
jtuab225: where did this happen?
Mknowledge08: in the USA
jtuab225: not in the subdivisions i've lived in
Mknowledge08: this happened a good minute ago
Mknowledge08: the FDA act
Mknowledge08: i seen a movie on it
jtuab225: every bit of that $100,000 house was paid for by my parents
Mknowledge08: listen
Mknowledge08: whites got a huge boost
Mknowledge08: nonwhites did NOT get that
Mknowledge08: nonwhites were FORCED to live in high rises in the cities
Mknowledge08: the suburbs were made ONLY for whites
Mknowledge08: they got an unfair advantage
Mknowledge08: realize this
jtuab225: ok, so how are we going to fix it?
Mknowledge08: the govt. NEVER reversed this either
Mknowledge08: we fix it by educating people on this
jtuab225: by telling the white citizens living in those suburbs that they should feel sorry for the black citizens living in high rises?
Mknowledge08: whites need to realize their white priviledge
Mknowledge08: the govt.
Mknowledge08: did this
Mknowledge08: and it wasn't right nor fair
jtuab225: the government doesn't still do it
Mknowledge08: but the govt. didn't try and fix what they did at all
Mknowledge08: they gave whites a huge boost
Mknowledge08: and then slipped right on out
Mknowledge08: is that right?
jtuab225: no
Mknowledge08: when you see Blacks in the hood
Mknowledge08: know that it isn't necesarily THEIR fault
Mknowledge08: if Blacks got the same opportunity
Mknowledge08: if Blacks got to live in suburbs
Mknowledge08: whose to say things would be how they are now?
jtuab225: i know it's not necessarily their fault
Mknowledge08: then why are u blaming them
jtuab225: but i believe that it is in part their fault
Mknowledge08: for being poor
jtuab225: rims, cars, stereos, clothes, and drugs are their fault
jtuab225: i know not all black people waste money on that stuff
Mknowledge08: listen
jtuab225: but a lot do
Mknowledge08: the hood mentality
Mknowledge08: was caused by whites
jtuab225: how?
Mknowledge08: whites living in nice areas
Mknowledge08: Blacks not
Mknowledge08: whites flaunting their vast wealth
Mknowledge08: in Blacks faces
Mknowledge08: when you are poor and have nothing
Mknowledge08: and you see someone with everything
Mknowledge08: you envy them
Mknowledge08: and want what they have
Mknowledge08: so to make yourself feel better
Mknowledge08: you go out and buy it
Mknowledge08: but then u can't pay your rent
jtuab225: that's an irresponsible decision
Mknowledge08: yes it is
Mknowledge08: but look what it's based on
Mknowledge08: it's a weak mentality i agree with you
Mknowledge08: but you need to look at where it came from
jtuab225: i've never flaunted my wealth in a black community
Mknowledge08: you are ONE person
Mknowledge08: turn on the TV
jtuab225: i am
Mknowledge08: white wealth
Mknowledge08: is flaunted
Mknowledge08: in various ways
jtuab225: and one person is not going to stop institutional racism
Mknowledge08: so much emphasis is put on material objects
jtuab225: i will try to do my part
jtuab225: i have noooo problem with black people in general
jtuab225: i have a problem with irresponsible people, and that's including whites
Mknowledge08: ok
Mknowledge08: but u specifically called Blacks out
Mknowledge08: and that says something
jtuab225: i told you what would i thought would stop racism
jtuab225: or help to do so
Mknowledge08: and that would not work
Mknowledge08: there needs to be STRUCTURAL changes
jtuab225: i can't help that people don't want to make wise decisions
Mknowledge08: the system needs to change
jtuab225: such as?
jtuab225: how will the system change?
Mknowledge08: through a mass movement
Mknowledge08: people realizing how unfair the system is
Mknowledge08: and standing up in protest of it
Mknowledge08: structual changes include
Mknowledge08: affordable housing for all
Mknowledge08: free healthcare for all
Mknowledge08: free college tution for all
Mknowledge08: reworking public education
jtuab225: that sounds a lot like socialist ideas in effect in other countries
Mknowledge08: it is
Mknowledge08: they have free health care and childcare
Mknowledge08: in France
jtuab225: socialism and mass equality will not happen in the united states
jtuab225: they do
Mknowledge08: it can work
jtuab225: but they also have slums full of north african immigrants that are rioting throughout france
Mknowledge08: true
Mknowledge08: the govt. is acting up over there
Mknowledge08: and they are paying the price
Mknowledge08: and it's the same thing over here
Mknowledge08: the govt. is cheating a lot of people
Mknowledge08: and they need to be held accountable for that
jtuab225: is a revolution the only way to change?
Mknowledge08: structural change needs to happen
Mknowledge08: and the govt. isn't going to just magically be fair
Mknowledge08: so yes
jtuab225: even communist governments are not fair
jtuab225: and they don't last
Mknowledge08: that's due to people letting power go to their heads
Mknowledge08: truth is communism is not a bad thing at all
jtuab225: on paper
Mknowledge08: capitalism is a bad thing
jtuab225: people are power hungry, people are discriminatory, and people will do what they want if they have the power to do so
jtuab225: that's why communism doesn't work
Mknowledge08: i wouldn't say all people
Mknowledge08: the whites in power yes
jtuab225: and that's why "institutional racism" is evident
jtuab225: explain to me then the rwandan genocides
Mknowledge08: not everyone lets power go to their head
jtuab225: because there weren't very many whites involved in that one
Mknowledge08: that was caused by european imperialism
Mknowledge08: oh yes they were
Mknowledge08: european imperialism is extremely evil
Mknowledge08: and it destroys countries
Mknowledge08: and minds
Mknowledge08: and that's exactly what it did to the Africans
Mknowledge08: and countless others
jtuab225: did the whites make the hutus think that the tutsis were evil?
Mknowledge08: yes
Mknowledge08: the whites came in
Mknowledge08: and treated one tribe better than the other
Mknowledge08: gave more priviledges to one tribe and not the other
Mknowledge08: then the whites LEFT
Mknowledge08: left them alone to kill each other
jtuab225: the tutsis were viewed as foreigners long before colonization
Mknowledge08: listen
jtuab225: i'm trying to listen
Mknowledge08: i just told u
jtuab225: what about saddam's opposition to the kurds?
Mknowledge08: hmm
Mknowledge08: i'm not too knowledgeable on that
Mknowledge08: but i will say
Mknowledge08: the usa in iraq
Mknowledge08: is a damn shame
Mknowledge08: and very wrong
Mknowledge08: you don't invade countries that did NOTHING to you
jtuab225: it's a different issue
jtuab225: that had nothing to do with racism
Mknowledge08: well i'm not knowledgeable on it
Mknowledge08: so i don't know
jtuab225: it's ok
jtuab225: i'm just trying to prove to you that while in america, racism is a predominately white over black issue
jtuab225: but in other parts of the world, blacks impose racism upon blacks
jtuab225: arabs impose it upon christians and muslims
Mknowledge08: as a result of european imperialism
Mknowledge08: whites caused that
jtuab225: ok
jtuab225: so maybe we are a bunch of powerful racists who don't care at all about black people
Mknowledge08: collectively whites are
Mknowledge08: whites don't care about anyone but themselves
jtuab225: i think you need to look in the mirror at your culture before you condemn mine
Mknowledge08: before you get defensive
Mknowledge08: realize what i'm saying about whites IS true
Mknowledge08: you have no reason to be proud of your ancestors
Mknowledge08: realize that, acknowledge it
Mknowledge08: and be easy
jtuab225: my ancestors moved here at the end of the 19th century
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