once again the Israeli-palestinian issue

Those bennies only apply to the upper class. Islamic societies are class-structured and impoverished.

But are they strong enough to defend themselves against fanatical Islam, which is pouring in across their borders? :wtf:

you are so ignorant in this subject (Islamic world) it shows in each and every i repeat each and every post u made, all ur arguments are based on assumptions that couldnot be further from the truth.

pino you seem more worried about it than the europeans,radical islam,is not going to take over europe.

Nonsense. History and current events show the Muslim world is an utter wreck, from every conceivable socio-economic and political viewpoint. Give me a break. You live in a country that harbored OBL, from which he orechestrated attacks against the West. Are you seriously going to argue the Muslim world has its act together? C'mon......get real. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

from every conceivable socio-economic and political viewpoint

You live in a country that harbored OBL, from which he orechestrated attacks against the West

Are you seriously going to argue the Muslim world has its act together?

not mine any way



true he did live in Sudan for some time, but then it was before 911, and no body knew he was upto something like that!! not even the CIA so how can a country that is utter wreck as you say discover that. in the end we did kick him out .



no way man, all am saying is that we r not as bad as u actually believe, we r far from having our act together, but we surelly r not living in the 7th century as some say and actually believe it too.

With every beheading, limb amputation, public beating by Mullahs for infractions of Islamic law, prohibitions against women as an inferior class, execution by stoning, etc., etc., you confine yourselves to the Seventh Century. That kind of behavior simply cannot be justified or tolerated by any civilized people. It's barbarism, plain and simple, and it's no one's fault but yours.

You dang skippy I am. I'm of European descent and a Catholic, both of which I'm proud of. I'm a history fan, and love the story of Western Civilization and the Church. You guys are selling us out. You're caving in, running away, trashing the second greatest story ever told. You're disgraceful, yet you think you're so cool with your new-age liberalism and stubborn Communism. You're wrong, selfish, weak and doomed. AND.....you're going to get your heads chopped off by your radical, Islamic cohorts. You in deep chit, Homes.:no:

no one was forced to become a muslim, every one chooses the religion he wants to live with, beheadings stoning and amputations are the main reason we have never seen the rate of crimes u guys suffer from in the west generally, public beatings are not allowed in Islam if some stupid regimes practice it its not Islam's fault that they happen to be muslims, women arenot considered inferior, and by the way not for one time did i ask or order my sister to wear the viel worn by saudi women she wore pakistani clothing which is also Islamic , every society chooses its Islamic version of the proper clothing for women, my same sister now wears the viel because she resides in KSA its a matter of settling into the society u r living in thats all.

you are so ignorant in this subject (Islamic world) it shows in each and every i repeat each and every post u made, all ur arguments are based on assumptions that couldnot be further from the truth.

no one was forced to become a muslim, every one chooses the religion he wants to live with, beheadings stoning and amputations are the main reason we have never seen the rate of crimes u guys suffer from in the west generally, public beatings are not allowed in Islam if some stupid regimes practice it its not Islam's fault that they happen to be muslims, women arenot considered inferior, and by the way not for one time did i ask or order my sister to wear the viel worn by saudi women she wore pakistani clothing which is also Islamic , every society chooses its Islamic version of the proper clothing for women, my same sister now wears the viel because she resides in KSA its a matter of settling into the society u r living in thats all.

you keep going on about COMMUNISM ,there is no communist goverments in EUROPE ! as for getting my hands chopped off by MY radical,islamic cohorts ! im an athiest and my family are catholic,i certainlu dont want to live under sharia law,but i know its not going to happen !

Prove his assertion wrong?

From my vast reading of Islam including the Koran I believe Islamic Countries are repressive, backward and subjugate women in the most barbaric way. Wahabbi Islam is not a religion but a violent "MAN MADE" cult. For Islam to move forward it has to stop living in the seven century. For Muslimsto prosper in the West they must shed the literate translation of the Koran. Free societies will not tolerate, sexual mutilation of our children, subjugation of women, women and children have equal status and it shall remain that way. You cannot own slaves in the West, and yes Islam and it's followers practice slavory just ask the Africians in the horn of Africa what's it's like to live under Barbaric Wahhabi Islam enforce upon them by another country. The Sudan.

I believe Islamic Countries are repressive

backward and subjugate women in the most barbaric way

Wahabbi Islam is not a religion but a violent "MAN MADE" cult

For Muslimsto prosper in the West they must shed the literate translation of the Koran

sexual mutilation of our children, subjugation of women

and yes Islam and it's followers practice slavory just ask the Africians in the horn of Africa what's it's like to live under Barbaric Wahhabi Islam enforce upon them by another country. The Sudan

How about private beatings? Or Dhimmitude?

Dhimmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Dhimmis were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute and acknowledging Muslim supremacy.[9]

Taxation from the perspective of dhimmis who came under the Muslim rule, was "a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes"[10] (but now lower under the Muslim rule[11][12][13]) and from the point of view of the Muslim conqueror was a material proof of the dhimmi's subjection.[10]

Various restrictions were placed on Dhimmis, such as prohibitions against giving testimony in courts in cases involving Muslims.[14] Technically, this made dhimmis vulnerable to the whims of rulers and the violence of mobs[15].[16] However, persecution in the form of violent and active repression was rare and atypical.[17]. Another such restriction prohibited dhimmis from bearing arms. [18] Most of these restrictions had a social and symbolic rather than a tangible and practical character.[19]

While recognizing that the status of dhimmis under Islamic rule was inferior to that of their Muslim peers, Bernard Lewis states that their position "was very much easier than that of non-Christians or even of heretical Christians in medieval Europe."[20] For example, dhimmis rarely faced martyrdom or exile, or forced compulsion to change their religion, and with certain exceptions they were free in their choice of residence and profession.[21] And in general, the Muslim attitude toward dhimmis was one of contempt instead of hate, fear, or envy, and was rarely expressed in ethnic or racial terms."

I don't distinguish Socialists from Marxists. To me, they're the same.:thumbdown:

If I go to Hell, I will hunt down Karl Marx and kill him with a claw-hammer.

Okay. Socialism sucks.

I don't distinguish Socialists from Marxists. To me, they're the same.:thumbdown:

If I go to Hell, I will hunt down Karl Marx and kill him with a claw-hammer.