once again the Israeli-palestinian issue

What about them? Your using bad behavior to justify killing innocents. You sir are a terrorist sympathizer.

nope the israeli's call the palestinians terrorists,thats exactly what quite a few of their own PRIME MINISTER'S were,have you heard of the IRGUN and the STERN GANG

There are plenty in Israel, there the ones that chose to live in peace with israeli's. It's a free state but not to those that would wish them harm, i think you fall into this catagory as well?

fighting for independence ! what about the palestinians who lived in whats now called ISRAEL.

Israel is a ***ed up situation, no doubt about that. The way the country came to be, and the military operations, and leaders of the country really are no better than those they oppse. We support them because they are as close to the US as it gets in the middle east, and because our government is filled with supporters, some would say controlled by. They have, contrary to Dranlines opinion been responsible for their on acts of "terrorism", or war, or rebuttal, depending on how you look at it, they are NOT innocent (the Mossad are hardly boy scouts), BUT they do have their right to defend themselves, and more often than not find themselves having to do so against a formidable enemy. It's a sad day when pictures of teenage girls with M16s circulate the interent, not that chicks with guns aren't hot, just that it is a nescessity in that region. The problem is that the arab world thinks that it is their land, IMO, they have plenty already and need to stop with the global misery they cause.

We could give them their land, autonomy, protection, and every resource imaginable to build a viable state overnight. Within a month, they'd be at each other's throats, bombing, cutting off heads, blowing up babies, with their new state in shambles. Nope......this is a matter of culture and collective psychology. Muslims can't handle self-rule without descending into chaos, perpetual warfare and unspeakable brutality, all of their own doing. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

so what your basically saying is **** THEM !

92b,we dont agree on alot of things,but at least you try to be fair-minded,unlike some people on this board,who see only what they want too see,i believe in a two state solution,israel has ignored UN resolutions,for decades,and continues too build settlements the WEST BANK,over a million palestinians were displaced when israel was created,and since 1948 jews from all over the world have came to israel and took palestinian homes and land.

Yup..

Were the jews ever displaced? Fair isn't always going to please everyone. I don't think it's right that Palestinians were forced from their home, but at what point is enough, enough?

Israel is a ***ed up situation, no doubt about that. The way the country came to be, and the military operations, and leaders of the country really are no better than those they oppse. We support them because they are as close to the US as it gets in the middle east, and because our government is filled with supporters, some would say controlled by. They have, contrary to Dranlines opinion been responsible for their on acts of "terrorism", or war, or rebuttal, depending on how you look at it, they are NOT innocent (the Mossad are hardly boy scouts), BUT they do have their right to defend themselves, and more often than not find themselves having to do so against a formidable enemy. It's a sad day when pictures of teenage girls with M16s circulate the interent, not that chicks with guns aren't hot, just that it is a nescessity in that region. The problem is that the arab world thinks that it is their land, IMO, they have plenty already and need to stop with the global misery they cause.

all im asking for is a bit of fairness,i think israel has the right to exist,im an athiest i hate radical islam as much as i hate zionism,the US has never been fair regarding THE ISRAELI-PALESTINAIN ISSUE.

all im asking for is a bit of fairness,i think israel has the right to exist,im an athiest i hate radical islam as much as i hate zionism,the US has never been fair regarding THE ISRAELI-PALESTINAIN ISSUE.

Man, that's negative. I see Israel as a small version of the US, in the Middle East. You and I could travel there, walk the streets, eat the food, enjoy people's company, stay in nice hotels, have a good time. Can you say that about any Muslim country? I'd fear getting kidnapped and beheaded on TV, or cemented into somebody's basement, and left to starve to death. No thanks.

You're a hopeless idealist. You actually think all cultures and people are equal in ability. They're not. You need to travel to the Third World, Scoob, and live there, in the chit, as they say, for a good while. Yeah....you need to actually live in a Muslim country, driving the streets, paying bills for your apartment downtown, coping with the odd universe in which you've submerged yourself. You need to see it, experience, smell it, taste it, and then form an opinion about it. Have you ever travelled outside the Western world? I've lived in Latin America, in the culture, and in Asia, but on a military base, so I don't have a Mid-East-specific perspective, but I can imagine, all too well.

Just like you would back your allys.